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GambitLeBeau -> RE: How to Learn to Tolerate Females Dominated by Men ? (7/24/2009 12:30:30 PM)
How do people in a hierarchical, polyamorous situation deal with seeing their dominant submitting? Especially if the kinks go to the extreme end? It takes a real toll on me to keep a leash on my protective streak when I know my Mistress has a sub side which wants to be brutalized. Sorry to side track, but it's a similar topic so I didn't wanna open a new thread.

Dastan -> RE: How to Learn to Tolerate Females Dominated by Men ? (7/24/2009 2:29:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GambitLeBeau How do people in a hierarchical, polyamorous situation deal with seeing their dominant submitting? Especially if the kinks go to the extreme end? It takes a real toll on me to keep a leash on my protective streak when I know my Mistress has a sub side which wants to be brutalized. Sorry to side track, but it's a similar topic so I didn't wanna open a new thread. It may not seem to you as part of the topic but I commend and congratulate you for actually suggesting a new scenario which deals with my same issue. How to see the person we feel should dominate for us to submit, submitting to someone else? I think it does resemble more my issue

Dastan -> RE: How to Learn to Tolerate Females Dominated by Men ? (7/24/2009 2:31:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LillyoftheVally quote: ORIGINAL: Dastan quote: ORIGINAL: LillyoftheVally I agree with ^^ Also in relation to the quote he used then, it is concerning to me that you think only men are flawed when indeed that is a human trait Well, the fact is that as a man, and seeing humanity at its worst, i know for a fact that man is more of a force of nature, an almost exclusively/purely instinctive creature capable of descending to the depths of inhumanity than a woman is. I saw war and although I saw my share of attrocities commited, instigated or even planned by women, those were a grain of sand in the dune of male-led actions, and I know full well the nature of manhood in its darkest rooms and corners. I just don't see women as persons who can be at our level. I don't feel inferior to women, but I do feel they operate on a higher level in some areas of their souls and hearts. I must say it is why I think that I have an strong aversion to see women touched by some of the filth in the world, and why I consider them a better part of humanity. Then you have never been in a female pub toilet. Defining characteristics based on genitals regardless of which sex you are favouring is a flawed method of classification. Your war example falls flat as women have fought in wars, and if you want to see attrocities committed by women look up Thatcher. Sorry but I find you rather offensive to be fair. I am sorry you do....I didn't want to offend but I just act as my heart tells me. And as for attrocities commited by women....I have seen what I saw here. Even if it's different from the world trend and in fact women are worse than men, then I still stick to thinking as I do about women, if not superior, are indeed unable to descend to the same level we can, even in their best try.

GambitLeBeau -> RE: How to Learn to Tolerate Females Dominated by Men ? (7/24/2009 3:04:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Dastan quote: ORIGINAL: GambitLeBeau How do people in a hierarchical, polyamorous situation deal with seeing their dominant submitting? Especially if the kinks go to the extreme end? It takes a real toll on me to keep a leash on my protective streak when I know my Mistress has a sub side which wants to be brutalized. Sorry to side track, but it's a similar topic so I didn't wanna open a new thread. It may not seem to you as part of the topic but I commend and congratulate you for actually suggesting a new scenario which deals with my same issue. How to see the person we feel should dominate for us to submit, submitting to someone else? I think it does resemble more my issue Well thanks. Hope it helps.

LillyoftheVally -> RE: How to Learn to Tolerate Females Dominated by Men ? (7/24/2009 3:08:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Dastan I am sorry you do....I didn't want to offend but I just act as my heart tells me. And as for attrocities commited by women....I have seen what I saw here. Even if it's different from the world trend and in fact women are worse than men, then I still stick to thinking as I do about women, if not superior, are indeed unable to descend to the same level we can, even in their best try. Well then you do not really want to learn to tolerate and indeed are ignoring reality. Good luck to you though.

Mistressbinature -> RE: How to Learn to Tolerate Females Dominated by Men ? (7/25/2009 9:24:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Dastan I must admit, with some shame, that I have a bigotry, a prejudice which I have recently come to regret.... Perhaps it's not that I submit, or that I am submissive (the two words don't mean the same, you can submit without being a true submissive and vice-versa) or that I simply come froma culture where my people holds woman in a higher level than men. It's just that the idea of a woman kneeling, tied, beaten, abused, humiliated and controlled by some guy stirs in me the same feelings than if I had a rubber bullet or tazer gun and saw a guy try to rape a girl, or beat her down, an irrefrenable, unflinching sense that this is so wrong, that i need to stop it with vicious, 3 miles past the level of extreme prejudice to punish him for attacking a woman. I don't have it easy because most Maledom-femaleSub scenes are like that to me, while I am not bothered much by Female Submission, nto to the point of attacking the dominant to stop her, but I 90% of the times, in 90% of the activities, past the initial warm-up or beginner's level of intensity or force, I have to turn my eyes away like if I saw a car going to hit my friend and I couldn't help her nor warn her, I just can't take much of it, I must admit can't take any of it almost... Recently, that cost me a friendship as I misjudged whatwas happening, as an imbecile tourist and his wife are in a Male-Dom Female Sub couple relationship and brought along a slave girl who's a heavy Maso and has fiorced sex fantasies. To not dwell on it, let's say I am lucky it ended a friendship and didn't end me in jail. I just discovered that i am uncapable of seeing women submit to men, I just don't know if anyone here has the same problem and if they had a way to tolerate it, as long as it is very light, and within the strictest defined limits of SSC. ¿ Is it something permanetly wrong in me or it can be fixed ? If I were You, I'd seek qualified help

leadership527 -> RE: How to Learn to Tolerate Females Dominated by Men ? (7/26/2009 1:59:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Dastan ----> Well, it is that which brought me to ask. I felt ashamed but it's just that the thought of a woman, a lady, dominant or submissive, under a guy's authority and the humiliation ad pain play....I mean, it's like poking a tiger with a stick and hoping it won't bash against the bars of his cage until he breaks it....I just feel it's so wrong. Women are sacred to us, and to see a lady in such a position...it just strikes a nerve in me, a deep sensitive one.......... OK, so does this viewpoint work for you? I find this statement to be the peak of arrogance. Let me clue you in... I LOVE my wife. I love her more than you do. I respect her more than you do. She is more sacred to me than you... by A LOT. I love her enough that if she fell in love with another man, my parting command to her would be "go and be happy." Yet she lives under my authority. So either you think I'm a liar or else you're missing an important piece of the equation. Perhaps this helps you. A long long time ago my father told me that the best form of government is a benevolent dictatorship. The problem being, of course, getting a benevolent dictator (and for a country, an endless progression of them over the years). But that is exactly what I am with Carol. Sure, I'm a dictator. But consider my comments about what she means to me above then think about what exactly sort of dictating I'm likely to be doing. You're seeing some sort of "putting her down" dynamic in all this that doesn't exist at least for Carol and I. It's simply a question of how to make decisions in our marriage in the most effective way possible.

Apocalypso -> RE: How to Learn to Tolerate Females Dominated by Men ? (7/26/2009 6:40:44 PM)
I'm going to try a bit of a different tack here, in particular I'm going to accept all your premises, even if I don't personally hold them. quote: ORIGINAL: Dastan Women are sacred to us, and to see a lady in such a position...it just strikes a nerve in me, a deep sensitive one.......... If women are sacred, and you see them as superior, why do you also feel you have the right to question their choices? What other sacred beings do you feel you have the right to judge? quote: I I just don't find a way to see women submitting as a normal thing, And yet, by your current attitude, you are de facto trying to submit them to your will. To go back to the sacred question, do you actually think you are in the position to understand the motivations of somebody who's sacred? Thought experiment Finish this sentence: I should be able to decide what is best for women because... To repeat, I've accepted a lot of assumptions in this reply that I'm actually opposed to. But you seem to be asking for a way to try and resolve this in your own head as opposed to a philosophical debate.

GambitLeBeau -> RE: How to Learn to Tolerate Females Dominated by Men ? (7/26/2009 7:23:22 PM)
If I were to offer advice, based on your current beliefs, right or wrong- why not try and think of it as all women having the potential to be superior? Only some choose to take it.

maia09 -> RE: How to Learn to Tolerate Females Dominated by Men ? (7/26/2009 9:02:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LotusSong You're not alone. I have difficulty with female submission, but from the "hey.. I know it's play but you are setting the whole fem program back a generation". Guys.. just know you are dominating them because they LET you dominate them, just like the men let the Women dominate THEM. The whole "fem program" is not set back. Submissive women aren't forced by society to be what they are. Therein is the difference. Just remember that each time you witness a Dom/sub relationship, you are witnessing free will.

Arpig -> RE: How to Learn to Tolerate Females Dominated by Men ? (7/26/2009 10:05:32 PM)
quote: First of, Cali, in Colombia, my country, is kind of a bad example since in latter years they have been contaminated a lot by the gene-trash of the Andes region with their customs, but my people tend to hold woman in a respected place. I am part of the caribbean region, but my people predate the palenques and others cultural groups as I descend from what soem may call gypsies. You just lost whatever support you might have had. Racist statements like that just piss me off. Gene-trash???? Listen buddy, the gypsies were on the receiving end of that idea in the 1940s, one would think that you being descended from them might be a little more educated about such things, but apparently not. If you are an example of the way people in Colombia think, then I am damn glad I ain't in Colombia.

Arpig -> RE: How to Learn to Tolerate Females Dominated by Men ? (7/26/2009 10:08:42 PM)
quote: not to be racist or else, but my people have better customs in that sense How in God's name can this be taken as anything but racist???

heartcream -> RE: How to Learn to Tolerate Females Dominated by Men ? (7/26/2009 11:56:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Apocalypso To go back to the sacred question, do you actually think you are in the position to understand the motivations of somebody who's sacred? Out of context of the OP, (I didnt happen to read it actutally) talking about things sacred, I personally do feel I am in a position to question and try to understand somebody or something sacred. I feel it is important to try and understand at every level possible. If someone/something is super sacred I dont think that means there is no process, or need for change, further development, evolution. So yeah, me in my lowly state compared to some Super-consciousness has the right to question if I do happen to have a question, issue or something.

LillyoftheVally -> RE: How to Learn to Tolerate Females Dominated by Men ? (7/27/2009 12:08:26 AM)
quote: ... I LOVE my wife. I love her more than you do. I respect her more than you do. She is more sacred to me than you... by A LOT. I love her enough that if she fell in love with another man, my parting command to her would be "go and be happy." Yet she lives under my authority. So either you think I'm a liar or else you're missing an important piece of the equation. warm fuzzy feeling

Dastan -> RE: How to Learn to Tolerate Females Dominated by Men ? (7/29/2009 8:48:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig quote: First of, Cali, in Colombia, my country, is kind of a bad example since in latter years they have been contaminated a lot by the gene-trash of the Andes region with their customs, but my people tend to hold woman in a respected place. I am part of the caribbean region, but my people predate the palenques and others cultural groups as I descend from what soem may call gypsies. You just lost whatever support you might have had. Racist statements like that just piss me off. Gene-trash???? Listen buddy, the gypsies were on the receiving end of that idea in the 1940s, one would think that you being descended from them might be a little more educated about such things, but apparently not. If you are an example of the way people in Colombia think, then I am damn glad I ain't in Colombia. Lucky you. My people do not tolerate weakness in an individual when coupled with arrogant stupidity. And yes, one can be racist when one happens to be at the top of the scale used to measure. But in your case, I guess you are no racist, no, you choose to bring up the European gypsies. My people descent from The Expulsion edicts of La Alhambra and Granada in SPain in the end of the 15th century, and we have more than 27 different genomical alleles in our baseline genome, we are more mixed than anyone in the world. GENETRASH means when someone is the low part of the scale, the same you might call those withd efective genes in a pack of animals or a herd, the ones with the wrong mix, but I guess geentics happen to be an issue too far above your intellectual standing and your IQ level.

Dastan -> RE: How to Learn to Tolerate Females Dominated by Men ? (7/29/2009 8:50:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GambitLeBeau If I were to offer advice, based on your current beliefs, right or wrong- why not try and think of it as all women having the potential to be superior? Only some choose to take it. I guess you are right. One of the few posters here who have been kind enough to offer a logical and analytical evalutation and solution. I guess it's true. It is their right as they are better to choose their path, but it is my honor to share their steps ina way and also my duty to protect them when they need or ask for it as much as it is to serve them.

LillyoftheVally -> RE: How to Learn to Tolerate Females Dominated by Men ? (7/29/2009 8:52:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Dastan also my duty to protect them when they need If they are so superior why would they EVER need you to protect them, patronising much

Dastan -> RE: How to Learn to Tolerate Females Dominated by Men ? (7/30/2009 7:35:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LillyoftheVally quote: ORIGINAL: Dastan also my duty to protect them when they need If they are so superior why would they EVER need you to protect them, patronising much I don't mean to patronize, but I do mean that I feel it's a man's duty, as a gentleman, to rpotect a lady at his side or around him from the things that can upset her, not ebcause she can't do it herself better, but because she musn't have to worry about such a menial task, the same way a Queen surely can write a letter but has someone else to take a dictation for her not to bother with such insignificancies.

Apocalypso -> RE: How to Learn to Tolerate Females Dominated by Men ? (7/30/2009 7:47:00 AM)
Um, Dastan, you do realise that basically you've just told a woman "I don't care whether you think I should be doing this or not. I'm protecting you dammit!" That's a bit inconsistent. Maybe you should just accept you're a misognyist who doesn't respect women apart from as idealised concepts and move on?

Caissa -> RE: How to Learn to Tolerate Females Dominated by Men ? (7/30/2009 7:47:02 AM)
So a woman should be protected from anything that can upset her? For me, it's the experiences that upset me that tend to give me the most chance to grow and learn. If I were "protected" from anything but happy blissful sunshine and roses, then I would have no incentive to do better. Someone taking it upon himself to keep me from having those unpleasant experiences is also taking away my opportunity to better myself. Now, that's not to say that I don't want someone bigger and stronger than me to step in if I'm in obvious danger. And if they want to point out that my intended course of action is going to have a disasterous consequence I didn't anticipate, I would appreciate that advice. But to just outright decide that they have the right to take away opportunities to learn, on the basis of some misguided attempt to "protect" me? No, I don't believe there's any human that is so wonderful and special that they're too important for the "trivialities" of self improvement.

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