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Because we have better things to do than hate someone, and be consumed every day with that much bitterness and venom, and we have better things to do than fixate on one person and try to destroy her at any cost.

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ORIGINAL: Lorr47

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Because we have better things to do than hate someone, and be consumed every day with that much bitterness and venom, and we have better things to do than fixate on one person and try to destroy her at any cost.

Huh?  It seems to me that a party that plans and carries out a program of torture; starts a war based on lies and misrepresentations to congress and the American people; a party that routinely wiretaps and violates the citizens' rights to be protected from illegal searches;  a party that reveals the identity of a CIA agent out of spite; a party that has a number of members who cannot even leave the country because if caught they will be charged with war crimes; a party that has some members in prison for theft with the worst, Reid and Nyquist, still trembling with their illicit gain but still waiving their bibles; a party whose members have molested pages or been caught in toilet stalls after being the leading antagonists against gays; a party whose members do not care who is winning the war just that it continues  for fraudulent gains on contracts not fulfilled and security contracts murderously implemented; a party whose leadership led the country into the biggest recession since the depression era while canceling regulations so their masters in the banking industry could continue to pay them (sorry this is about as much as I can type with one hand)  would at the very least say "forgive me for I have sinned." (If you believe that kind of stuff.) Or, at the very least refrain from throwing the first stone for fear of getting a Truth Commission or an independent counsel thrown back at them.  But then again, the above assumes that republicans have some moral and ethical fiber which we all know is a false assumption.  Don't you people know any shame?

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Firm,thanks for not trying to be difficult...I appreciate it I really do....but lets take your post to its natural conclusion.....you just called me a hypocrite.Yeah Firm you did...you see I'm a Catholic.....somewhere deep down inside I believe in something.That doesn't mean rational thought hasn't creeped in and exposed some of the more ridiculous tenets of my faith.
In some eyes that makes me somewhat of a "lapsed" catholic...in my eyes it makes me a rational man with the faith of my parents...perhaps a contradiction....but I'm not sure it qualifies me as a hypocrite.

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Like he said ... "and be consumed every day with that much bitterness and venom".

Your post is a perfect example of it, I'm afraid.

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ORIGINAL: Lorr47

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Like he said ... "and be consumed every day with that much bitterness and venom".

Your post is a perfect example of it, I'm afraid.

No, if I was consumed by it I would still be citing reasons 24 hours from now rather than quitting.

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Firm,thanks for not trying to be difficult...I appreciate it I really do....but lets take your post to its natural conclusion.....you just called me a hypocrite.Yeah Firm you did...you see I'm a Catholic.....somewhere deep down inside I believe in something.That doesn't mean rational thought hasn't creeped in and exposed some of the more ridiculous tenets of my faith.
In some eyes that makes me somewhat of a "lapsed" catholic...in my eyes it makes me a rational man with the faith of my parents...perhaps a contradiction....but I'm not sure it qualifies me as a hypocrite.

Mike,

I considered using that term, but decided that it wasn't really accurate, and was much too inflammatory for furthering the discussion.

Let's approach it a different way: Are there any tenets of the Catholic Church, which you believe are not "scientifically provable", but to which you adhere?

Counter wise, are there any Catholic beliefs, to which you do not ascribe, which - if you denied them to the members and leaders of your church - would brand you as an "apostate", a "heretic" or a "non-believer"?

Firm

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Because we have better things to do than hate someone, and be consumed every day with that much bitterness and venom, and we have better things to do than fixate on one person and try to destroy her at any cost.

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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

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Because we have better things to do than hate someone, and be consumed every day with that much bitterness and venom, and we have better things to do than fixate on one person and try to destroy her at any cost.

Let's make one wee tweak and see if the sentence still holds up:

Because we have better things to do than hate someone, and be consumed every day with that much bitterness and venom, and we have better things to do than fixate on Hillary Rodham Clinton and try to destroy her at any cost.

Interesting, no?

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Firm,thanks for not trying to be difficult...I appreciate it I really do....but lets take your post to its natural conclusion.....you just called me a hypocrite.Yeah Firm you did...you see I'm a Catholic.....somewhere deep down inside I believe in something.That doesn't mean rational thought hasn't creeped in and exposed some of the more ridiculous tenets of my faith.
In some eyes that makes me somewhat of a "lapsed" catholic...in my eyes it makes me a rational man with the faith of my parents...perhaps a contradiction....but I'm not sure it qualifies me as a hypocrite.

Mike,

I considered using that term, but decided that it wasn't really accurate, and was much too inflammatory for furthering the discussion.

Let's approach it a different way: Are there any tenets of the Catholic Church, which you believe are not "scientifically provable", but to which you adhere?

Counter wise, are there any Catholic beliefs, to which you do not ascribe, which - if you denied them to the members and leaders of your church - would brand you as an "apostate", a "heretic" or a "non-believer"?

Firm

Yes and Yes would be the answer to both of your questions.But...and IMO its a big but,,,these are private opinions held by a private citizen and not used to influence public policy.....as the soon to be late Gov.of Alaska has repeatedly done.

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

My interpretation of the general sense of the thread's commenters is that to actually hold religious beliefs is a disqualifications for public office.

Unless, of course, you are a Democrat. Then it's "OK" to attend a church in order to fool the gullible masses, so long as in private - or among the intelligentsia - you make fun of "religious nuts" and such, who "cling" to their religion.

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Like he said ... "and be consumed every day with that much bitterness and venom".

Your post is a perfect example of it, I'm afraid.

No, if I was consumed by it I would still be citing reasons 24 hours from now rather than quitting.

In effect, what you are saying in your original post, is that Republican=evil. That there is no room for philosophical disagreements. That all Republican actions are purely and only based on the destruction of civil society.

The republicans feel that any "end" no matter how tenuous in time or space justifies the "means."  I have never seen that defense work for the man off the street so why should it work for the republican leadership?  If they used a "means"  that violated the law, they are guilty.  It is not a matter of philosophy about the "end." The question is merely whether the "means" violated the statutes or constitution.  The republicans throw up the "philosophical difference" statement when such has nothing to do with the "means" by which they violated the law.  If you get by the verbiage and address the issue of whether a defendant 's "means" was illegal,  I  think many republicans are in trouble.  The last I looked we were still a nation of laws.  If they are hoping for systematic jury nullification, they are foolish. If they are counting on arguing duress or necessity, a first year law student can defeat those arguments; time and space plus the reasonable man.

The only correct action would be the rounding up, and execution of all members of the Republican Party.

After all, they are all evil criminals, and not deserving of human decency or rights.

At this time guilt and sentence is still for a jury to decide but given the laws relating to conspiracy and the fact some of the charges could be labeled treason, I would not want to be a defendant.

You would not have asked the question without knowing that I believe within 20 years there will be civil war.  The middle class has no choice but to fight for its existence.
Firm

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The republicans feel that any "end" no matter how tenuous in time or space justifies the "means."  I have never seen that defense work for the man off the street so why should it work for the republican leadership?  If they used a "means"  that violated the law, they are guilty.  It is not a matter of philosophy about the "end." The question is merely whether the "means" violated the statutes or constitution.  The republicans throw up the "philosophical difference" statement when such has nothing to do with the "means" by which they violated the law.  If you get by the verbiage and address the issue of whether a defendant 's "means" was illegal,  I  think many republicans are in trouble.  The last I looked we were still a nation of laws.  If they are hoping for systematic jury nullification, they are foolish. If they are counting on arguing duress or necessity, a first year law student can defeat those arguments; time and space plus the reasonable man.

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I can assure you with absolute certainty that not a single Republican conservative will ever come around to your way of thinking, no matter how many 'bash Sarah' threads you start. Why? Because we have better things to do than hate someone, and be consumed every day with that much bitterness and venom, and we have better things to do than fixate on one person and try to destroy her at any cost.

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Pure condemnation, and hatred, without any thought of the humanity of the people you are talking about.

Again, in your world view: Republican=evil, to be destroyed root and branch, without defense. Honest policy differences and honorable disagreement doesn't exist.

You are an ideological thinker, and like all such, you are the greater danger to our republic.

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Aww shit Firm...do you always have to give me a damm headache.First and foremost no insult taken...at all(though I still think your a pain in the ass for making me work so hard).Second I'm real tired here and heading off to sleep so I will  more fully address your post in the a.m.But one thing did jump out at me...your assertion that laws are based on moral codes....I fully agree.Point in fact I fervently hope our elected officials have such a code...what I object to is their insistence on preaching their morality to others.
Perhaps it works better if I phrase it like this...I don't mind if my elected officials are god fearing men/women...I just get pissed off when they seem to mind if I'm not.

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Pure condemnation, and hatred, without any thought of the humanity of the people you are talking about.

Again, in your world view: Republican=evil, to be destroyed root and branch, without defense. Honest policy differences and honorable disagreement doesn't exist.

You are an ideological thinker, and like all such, you are the greater danger to our republic.

If you can come up with the above tripe from the "end" does not justify the "means" argument,  you are as intellectually dishonest as those you defend.  The key to seeing  what you are arguing  is your ascertain that I would try them without "a defense."  Their defense is that they did not violate the law just like every other citizen.  The only defense you are admitting they have is that the law does not apply to republicans. And, that is exactly how they act.