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tazzygirl -> RE: Explain to me online training ? (7/28/2009 1:58:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoiJen LustyCat, Thank you for proving my point. In Leather, MsKitty's boi, Jen lol... your point about no chemical changes? your point about how it couldnt possibly be real because you wouldnt feel anything yourself? or your point that you have no clue what you speak of while lustycat has first hand experience? when you speak from a personal point of view, you can be very articulate. when you speak as if you are the authority on how things should be and shouldnt be for everyone is when you start coming across as a twit.

LaTigresse -> RE: Explain to me online training ? (7/28/2009 1:59:43 PM)
Now I am thinking about all the women I've heard about, that got so addicted to their vibrators they no longer enjoyed sex with their partner.

SirLost -> RE: Explain to me online training ? (7/28/2009 2:09:42 PM)
I think lustycat's experience proves the difference of the secreted chemicals for these two different cases. The possibility of getting addicted to online relationships and roleplays to a point to be completely unable to communicate people around me scares me, but I just can't stop it.

TurboJugend -> RE: Explain to me online training ? (7/28/2009 2:11:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse Now I am thinking about all the women I've heard about, that got so addicted to their vibrators they no longer enjoyed sex with their partner. don;t make us males depressive please lol

kiwisub12 -> RE: Explain to me online training ? (7/28/2009 2:29:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SirLost I think LustyCat's experience proves the difference of the secreted chemicals for these two different cases. The possibility of getting addicted to online relationships and roleplays to a point to be completely unable to communicate people around me scares me, but I just can't stop it. doesn't the statement that "you just can't stop it" prove the point that you can become addicted to online at the expense of a face-to-face relationship? and for lustycat who had a perfect relationship online that was spoiled by r/t? - if you have an online that was spoiled by r/t you pretty much have proved boi's point. When bad breath, dirty socks and face to face talk can "spoil" a relationship , then your relationship is a bit scary. It sounds like a teenager that would rather text someone than talk face to face - or even on the phone. You would rather have the shallow and one dimensional relationship than the full blown face to face, skin to skin thing. It reminds me of a relationship- that i was told about - two married people had with each other (not married to each other) - they saw each other at work every day, never progressed to a physical relationship, and considered each other their soul mates. They also didn't have to cope with children, money, or housework. Of course they had a perfect relationship - they weren't dealing with reality! They would never have to be around the other when they were having cramps, a bad mood, or bad breath. Whats' not to love? I met my Sir online - and went to r/t within a week. And the relationship i have with him is so far above a relationship with a keyboard or a phone between two people , that i can't fathom how anyone could think the r/t and online could be comparable. I understand that people sometimes can only do online, and lord only knows, if that is all that can be done, then go for it, make it as real as you can. But don't think that online is equal to r/t in any manner - except for the fantasy factor.

Chavello -> RE: Explain to me online training ? (7/28/2009 2:46:26 PM)
online training or role playing is mostly fantasy....not good for much than passing time.....

tazzygirl -> RE: Explain to me online training ? (7/28/2009 2:56:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kiwisub12 quote: ORIGINAL: SirLost I think LustyCat's experience proves the difference of the secreted chemicals for these two different cases. The possibility of getting addicted to online relationships and roleplays to a point to be completely unable to communicate people around me scares me, but I just can't stop it. doesn't the statement that "you just can't stop it" prove the point that you can become addicted to online at the expense of a face-to-face relationship? and for lustycat who had a perfect relationship online that was spoiled by r/t? - if you have an online that was spoiled by r/t you pretty much have proved boi's point. When bad breath, dirty socks and face to face talk can "spoil" a relationship , then your relationship is a bit scary. It sounds like a teenager that would rather text someone than talk face to face - or even on the phone. You would rather have the shallow and one dimensional relationship than the full blown face to face, skin to skin thing. It reminds me of a relationship- that i was told about - two married people had with each other (not married to each other) - they saw each other at work every day, never progressed to a physical relationship, and considered each other their soul mates. They also didn't have to cope with children, money, or housework. Of course they had a perfect relationship - they weren't dealing with reality! They would never have to be around the other when they were having cramps, a bad mood, or bad breath. Whats' not to love? I met my Sir online - and went to r/t within a week. And the relationship i have with him is so far above a relationship with a keyboard or a phone between two people , that i can't fathom how anyone could think the r/t and online could be comparable. I understand that people sometimes can only do online, and lord only knows, if that is all that can be done, then go for it, make it as real as you can. But don't think that online is equal to r/t in any manner - except for the fantasy factor. my relationship started out on line, as friends.... that grew deeper.. so much deeper. over many years. it was never boy/girl friend... always Master/slave. then we decided to move in together. and it grew deeper. far too deep. no one is saying that are comparable. but dont discount it like it means nothing at all because you dont feel anything yourself. i also am not limiting my reference to on line only. the comment was made that on line wasnt real. that its easy to turn the pc off and forget. im sorry. it wasnt that easy for me. we would have arguments and i would be physically sick for days. it didnt change when i moved in with him. and i take great exception to this being called fake. it can be real emotions, it can be a real interaction, and it can lead to a lasting relationship. the repercussions can be real. physically and emotionally. its all in how real you allow it to become and your expectations out of it.

BoiJen -> RE: Explain to me online training ? (7/28/2009 3:14:39 PM)
This all just smacks of someone getting caught up in their online roleplaying game and treating the world as if they were a level 538 wizard of blah blah. It's not healthy. boi

Zeknpet -> RE: Explain to me online training ? (7/28/2009 3:16:58 PM)
I answered an ad on Craigslist. We talked for months before meeting. Almost 5 years now and we're still quite a "we" ------------------------------- It doesn't matter where you meet, be it online, in a bar, walking the dog, at the grocery store on a tuesday afternoon. Where you meet has absolutley no bearing on whther or not you'll mesh, be good for or to each other. What your life's lessons are, your failings, strengths, weaknesses, expectations, social / political / religious experiences, upbringing or indoctrination, self knowledge and honest to goodness assessment skills toward self and others do. --------------------------- As side note- As I'm writing this, leslie is taking her CPR/Bloodbourne Pathogen training online. -------------------------- as a side side note- If I could tell you how many asshats I screened out of my Yahoo IM window before inviting them to coffee, whether it was to meet prospective playpartners, possible membership to our groups or just trolls that saw a nice set of tits on a profile.... I probably saved $2,000 in one year in coffees, drinks, lunches on meet and greets by weeding out the turds on the golf course of life befoe they got on everyone's shoes and tracked across my carpets. Ask any female sub on here the value of internet screening and imagine what they'd go through if they couldn't find out the WHO of a person before being on a date with them. leslie has placed W4W ads and gotten 10x more sub men replying than females even though she clearly states she's a sub looking for a female. Gays have a flag, bisexuals have a flag, polyamorous people have a flag. I propose a new flag to represent these mindless shinhumpers. Call them Trysexual, meaning they'll try anything and everything to get laid The flag should be a picture of a poodle humping a girls stockinged shin.

tazzygirl -> RE: Explain to me online training ? (7/28/2009 3:17:36 PM)
according to you, its not healthy. why do you feel the need to put down the experiences of others?

BoiJen -> RE: Explain to me online training ? (7/28/2009 5:06:10 PM)
You didn't even bother to read the studies I cited did you? boi

LillyoftheVally -> RE: Explain to me online training ? (7/28/2009 5:08:55 PM)
Where online relationship questions are certain posters will pop up to say how unreal it is. DO WHAT MAKES YOU HAPPY AND FIGURATIVELY SCREW EVERYONE ELSE

lustycat -> RE: Explain to me online training ? (7/28/2009 5:10:15 PM)
tazzygirl says.... the comment was made that on line wasnt real. that its easy to turn the pc off and forget. im sorry. it wasnt that easy for me. we would have arguments and i would be physically sick for days. it didnt change when i moved in with him. and i take great exception to this being called fake. it can be real emotions, it can be a real interaction, and it can lead to a lasting relationship. the repercussions can be real. physically and emotionally. its all in how real you allow it to become and your expectations out of it. AMEN. i lived this life online as it was going on right here in the home itself. If You go online and "play around" act like You are doing as You should t hen no, it will not be real, it will be fake bs. That is Your fault. There are many many beautiful relationships started online, as long as You take it seriously. You can not be a person that does like tazzygirl say and "turn the pc off and forget". You cannot do that with any long distance relationship, rather it be BDSM or vanilla. It doesn't matter. All relationships are the same in a few aspects. Trust, honor, respect, and communication. What does any relationship have without it. Thank you tazzygirl and many others for understanding this lifestyle and being who Yyou are. Wwe are the ones who will show the fakes out there who is boss and who knows what they are talking about. The ones that have not experienced any part of this lifestyle, be it online or in real life, and shoots there mouths off saying they "know what they are talking about" are all full of it and need to go to a few websites and start to understand what this really is. Ohh i have a better idea, let a good strong Dom/Domme show them what this lifestyle is about. This is NOT a game, this is real peoples lives with real situations, if you don't like this life or the things we enjoy get off of this site and leave the real ones be. We do not have time for the bs that quite a few hand down to us real ones on here. steps off my soapbox, i am sorry, but it ticks me off when ppl downgrade ethis lifestyle or try to make us feel like dirt because we are not like them, too bad, get the hell away, far away, and stay there.

tazzygirl -> RE: Explain to me online training ? (7/28/2009 5:13:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoiJen You didn't even bother to read the studies I cited did you? boi boi, a question. how many of those studies by those esteemed psychologists, ect, would say that the alternative lifestyle is "wrong"? how many still say homosexuality is learned behavior? how many also will say that being a masochist is a cry for help? how many would berate a woman, or man, for wanting to be a slave? these are studies done by people who have no working knowledge of what we do, what we are. they study. thats it. i prefer to go on experiences than studies done by alot of college students who need grades... or money.

BoiJen -> RE: Explain to me online training ? (7/28/2009 5:44:41 PM)
You're right. They studied individuals who base their intimate and not so intimate relationships online. And who are by the way not Freudian theorists rather they are humanistic and experiential. But what the hell do I know? Do you know something I don't, like the intimate workings of their relationships and thought processes? If you don't understand the differences between the types of theorists mentioned, you should spend some time researching that. Freakin cult workings going on here. Scientific fact be damned. To hell with the '06 review of the APA stanrds in regards to Sm activities and the DSM-IV in it's first version noting that homosexuality was not "learned pattern of sexuality or cause of childhood trauma or disease". Seriously? You're looking at far out dated information in regards to the psych community as a whole and trying to find ways to support your unhealthy choices and behaviors when faced with the peer reviewed information I have cited. Please, if you have more credible PEER REVIEWED information on the potentially healthy or unhealthy consequences and causes of "online relationships", share it. Otherwise you're rambling on with non-sense to make yourself feel better. And if what I read was a specific challenge of experience, please state so. I'd like the humor right about now :-) In Leather, MsKitty's boi, Jen

Prinsexx -> RE: Explain to me online training ? (7/28/2009 5:48:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: openmindedslave I really want ot understand the draw of Online training ? I see so many , not all , are seeking before meeting they want to start online. Is this just a scam ? Do people really get to know someone that well online and really meet eventually? What is your reward for being involved in this without meeting the other person first? I would really liek to hear others feelings and experiences on this !!! On line is a modality. But then so is touch. Sight. Sound. Smell. Taste. I can be reinforced or modelled using any or all or some of these modalities. It just takes compliance (mine), control (his) and agreement.

Apocalypso -> RE: Explain to me online training ? (7/28/2009 5:52:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoiJen They studied individuals who base their intimate and not so intimate relationships online. So the sample group was made up of those people who's level of internet usage was at a level that would be considered maladaptive, whether they were in an online relationship or not? And also likely to have a higher percentage of people suffering from some kind of social anxiety related disorder? Isn't that a bit like citing a study on alcholics in a discussion about drinking in general?

RedMagic1 -> RE: Explain to me online training ? (7/28/2009 5:56:39 PM)
To strip something away from someone without providing an alternative is not providing a service, BoiJen. You might be better served to consider the growth in online relationships as a symptom of a cultural malaise, much like the growth in the levels of obesity. Unless the obese person changes diet and exercise habits -- and gets support for doing so and maintaining the new regimen -- it will be very hard for that person to lose weight. Similarly, someone afraid of human interaction, or unable to plan a social life due to working three jobs, is going to have a hard time moving from online to real. And yes, online-only relationships tend to be self-reinforcing, just as eating more and not exercising tends to be self-reinforcing. But yelling about FACTS is not going to change anybody's behavior. Only direct provision of compassionate, material assistance has a chance at doing that... and only when the person wants to change.

lustycat -> RE: Explain to me online training ? (7/28/2009 5:58:31 PM)
Boijen.... why are you here? we are low life pieces of sh*t to you. move on and leave us alone. and get rid of that nic of yours, you do not deserve it. You need a good Domme to put you in your place.

Prinsexx -> RE: Explain to me online training ? (7/28/2009 5:59:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RedMagic1 , is going to have a hard time moving from online to real. How judgmental. Are you suggesting that on line is not real? Are you suggesting that on line is a product of disillusion or psychosis? Get real.

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