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RE: Is a dom always considered a "master?" - 8/26/2009 7:38:54 AM   
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its kind of like when the shopping cart bum comes up to you and says, hey i'm the president of these united states,,,, you look t the bum and say whatever,,,, if you even pay that much attention to him.



So we non-leatherists are bums proclaiming great things now?




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anyway, i just love when people make up their own definition of things



Like a clique of people who do the same, right?

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RE: Is a dom always considered a "master?" - 8/26/2009 7:48:34 AM   
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In the larger sphere though, there is no such standard setting body. And I'd be wiling to go out on a limb and suggest that my thoughts about it are not particularly similar to a lot of other people's -- which is just as it should be.


Exactly. I'd be willing to say the standards set can be pretty dubious when masterhood is "awarded" by others. Reason being, the "system" only knows what it sees or is capable of understanding in a limited context. I prefer to go to the horse's mouth on this question, namely the individuals involved...they know what's going on, truly. Paying attention to that isn't the same as saying dominance or being a master can mean anything it wants. Quite the opposite.

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RE: Is a Dom always considered a "master?" - 8/26/2009 7:58:08 AM   
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RE: Is a dom always considered a "master?" - 8/26/2009 8:27:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: masterlink65

its kind of like when the shopping cart bum comes up to you and says, hey i'm the president of these united states,,,, you look t the bum and say whatever,,,, if you even pay that much attention to him.



So we non-leatherists are bums proclaiming great things now?




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ORIGINAL: masterlink65
anyway, i just love when people make up their own definition of things



Like a clique of people who do the same, right?




not really. see the leather community is world wide,. i get checked all the time. why? most likely because i earned my leathers on  the farm in a rural upper midwest community, and not at a fort lauderdale bar. my friends know enough about what is going on.

i said it was like the bum, not you are bums.


just like you dont go to the pharmacy to look for automotive parts.


just like saying to your neighbor, that you dog is a cat and not really a dog, because you thought the definition should be more to your taste, does that make sense? so when someone says they are a master when they dont own a slave, and have mastered no skill. then that person just made his own catagory for himself. dont expect everyone to go along with it.

if you are a sub,,, be content with being a sub, why lie and tell people you are a slave?

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RE: Is a Dom always considered a "master?" - 8/26/2009 8:39:01 AM   
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Becoming a Master of any thing now days is as easy as find a Master certificate in a box of wheaties..


But you know that in reality, it's not. My point is knowing the difference doesn't take a committee. Starting with the concept of "a person who has control over someone" is a good reference point where this thread is concerned I imagine.

Now...master of electrical work? I'd go to IBEW for such places, yes, and similarly, if I wanted to "master" flogging or caning or suspension play, yes, the seasoned opinions of others would help. But master of a girl? Not so easy.



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RE: Is a Dom always considered a "master?" - 8/26/2009 8:48:01 AM   
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its kind of like a medical student claiming to be a doctor. maybe , someday, but not quite there yet

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RE: Is a Dom always considered a "master?" - 8/26/2009 8:50:28 AM   
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But you know that in reality, it's not. My point is knowing the difference doesn't take a committee. Starting with the concept of "a person who has control over someone" is a good reference point where this thread is concerned I imagine.

Now...master of electrical work? I'd go to IBEW for such places, yes, and similarly, if I wanted to "master" flogging or caning or suspension play, yes, the seasoned opinions of others would help. But master of a girl? Not so easy.


I actually agree, I think relying on rumor and projections is a silly thing to do. I have been told negative things about many people, some of whom turned out I have respected hugely. Gossip and stories circulate like wildfire and who is better to judge my compatibility with someone than, well me? I don't agree with most people about various things, and community is an illusion

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RE: Is a Dom always considered a "master?" - 8/26/2009 9:55:57 AM   
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RE: Is a Dom always considered a "master?" - 8/26/2009 12:30:42 PM   
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But you know that in reality, it's not. My point is knowing the difference doesn't take a committee. Starting with the concept of "a person who has control over someone" is a good reference point where this thread is concerned I imagine.

Now...master of electrical work? I'd go to IBEW for such places, yes, and similarly, if I wanted to "master" flogging or caning or suspension play, yes, the seasoned opinions of others would help. But master of a girl? Not so easy.


...and who is better to judge my compatibility with someone than, well me? I don't agree with most people about various things, and community is an illusion


Count me in on that, too.

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RE: Is a dom always considered a "master?" - 8/26/2009 2:46:40 PM   
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if you are a sub,,, be content with being a sub, why lie and tell people you are a slave?

How long, exactly, have you been doing this? For me, the answer is just short of 2 years. It only took me 1 of those years to learn that this statement is empty of symantic content. I'm thrilled for you that you got a nifty neat little hat with a propellor on the top and a tassle. Along with that comes, apparently, the book of codified BDSM knowledge from which you are quoting. But the rest of us don't want the hat, book, or definitions.

Out of curiosity, what makes you think that if I or anyone else (excepting, of course, your small circle of leather friends doing their circle-jerk) looked at your dynamic, that it would even remotely register to me as any kind of dominance and submission much less master/slave? And I do mean that question seriously. An awful lot of what I see on collarme doesn't look like even the tiniest bit of D/s to me -- I'm just smart enough to know that my opinion doesn't matter within the context of anyone else's relationhip.

Normally, I try to stay away from this kind of crap, but that statement was just so egregious I had to call it out.

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RE: Is a Dom always considered a "master?" - 8/26/2009 2:50:12 PM   
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its kind of like a medical student claiming to be a doctor. maybe , someday, but not quite there yet




To be honest Link, I don't see that it means much, I don't believe you are given any extra credibility

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RE: Is a Dom always considered a "master?" - 8/26/2009 2:56:37 PM   
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maybe this comparison will help


its kind of like a medical student claiming to be a doctor. maybe , someday, but not quite there yet

Obvious difference.  Becoming a doctor involves a formally recognised (by everyone) academic qualification.


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RE: Is a dom always considered a "master?" - 8/26/2009 4:49:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		well little girl. i am 44 now, i have owned my slave for 10 years now. i have been involved in this lifestyle since my early 20's. so i am glad you have exceeded me in such a short time. i am glad you made it to expert level in only a year. so that means we can move on now, am i correct in that?

if you want to tell people your dog is actually a cat, go right ahead. you will look the fool , not me

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RE: Is a Dom always considered a "master?" - 8/26/2009 5:00:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		i was right the first time. its more like the shopping cart bum walking up to you and saying i am the president, you just shrug your shoulders, "yeah right" heres a quarte bum

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RE: Is a dom always considered a "master?" - 8/26/2009 5:35:24 PM   
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How long, exactly, have you been doing this? For me, the answer is just short of 2 years. It only took me 1 of those years to learn that this statement is empty of symantic content. I'm thrilled for you that you got a nifty neat little hat with a propellor on the top and a tassle. Along with that comes, apparently, the book of codified BDSM knowledge from which you are quoting. But the rest of us don't want the hat, book, or definitions.

Out of curiosity, what makes you think that if I or anyone else (excepting, of course, your small circle of leather friends doing their circle-jerk) looked at your dynamic, that it would even remotely register to me as any kind of dominance and submission much less master/slave? And I do mean that question seriously. An awful lot of what I see on collarme doesn't look like even the tiniest bit of D/s to me -- I'm just smart enough to know that my opinion doesn't matter within the context of anyone else's relationhip.


By the same token, how do you know that you wouldn't?  Without knowing us, how can you even form an opinion?  Better yet, if you did know one of us, is there any possibility that, in your own eyes, you might just see why a Cover was given in the first place or are you too set in your belief that such a thing can't be seen from someone outside?

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RE: Is a Dom always considered a "master?" - 8/26/2009 5:43:22 PM   
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RE: Is a dom always considered a "master?" - 8/26/2009 6:08:51 PM   
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you see,, i am only a master to my slave. i claim to be master of nothing else. not even my trade.


What happens in the event that you cease to have a slave?  Do you also cease to be a master, or does the fact that you *were* a master carry forward?

Also...  I hate to say this...  but if this is the definition it's sort of inevitably going to come back to the old "what is a slave" question. (ick.  let's not go there.)  (but seriously, that's where it ends up logically.)

It sounds to me like there are other things involved in earning a cap...  i'm very curious about what those are.  (meaning absolutely nothing hostile; purely curious.)




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RE: Is a dom always considered a "master?" - 8/26/2009 7:23:15 PM   
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well little girl. i am 44 now, i have owned my slave for 10 years now. i have been involved in this lifestyle since my early 20's. so i am glad you have exceeded me in such a short time. i am glad you made it to expert level in only a year. so that means we can move on now, am i correct in that?

if you want to tell people your dog is actually a cat, go right ahead. you will look the fool , not me



Ahem. Ladies and gentlemen, I rest my case.



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RE: Is a dom always considered a "master?" - 8/26/2009 8:32:50 PM   
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It sounds to me like there are other things involved in earning a cap...  i'm very curious about what those are.  (meaning absolutely nothing hostile; purely curious.)




the cap would be the last thing to earn.
first thing in order to learn or earn anything from a potential mentor. you would have to lose the ego and arrogance, and acknowledge that someone has more experience than you do.maybe humble your tone a bit, no matter the age. when you learn this way. you learn to empathize instead of criticize.  as you learn and excel you earn. some earn faster than others.  its kinda like joining a motorcycle club. you can say your a H&#lls A*^%or Ou!@&w all day long. go to the clubhouse and say it. i am sure they will just hand over a patch and say please wear this. its kind of like that. how long you probate depends on your mentor and your learning ability. some just get thrown out.


that is why i made the little girl crack. you have less experience than i do, yet you so easily show attitude to someone merely trying to help and share experience with the "younglings".

as i have said over and over. when you use terms loosely and incorrectly it makes one appear foolish.


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RE: Is a dom always considered a "master?" - 8/26/2009 10:22:45 PM   
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that is why i made the little girl crack. you have less experience than i do, yet you so easily show attitude to someone merely trying to help and share experience with the "younglings".


Oh my.  Is this directed at me?




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