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RE: Why not get the Single Payer Health Care System? - 7/31/2009 2:16:18 PM

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RE: Why not get the Single Payer Health Care System? - 7/31/2009 3:08:55 PM

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"If you think healthcare is expensive now wait till it becomes "free.!"

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RE: Why not get the Single Payer Health Care System? - 7/31/2009 3:32:28 PM

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misread

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redundant

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biased

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What happened willbe, forget which account you were using? I like how you left the one post that didn't give it away. Smooth.

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Nice detective work! I thought he was Cruel And Unusual, or however that guy spelled his username. This is too funny.

I like the reasons for the edits, too - "irrelevant, misread, redundant, biased". I see no need to comment further.

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RE: Why not get the Single Payer Health Care System? - 7/31/2009 3:46:08 PM

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RE: Why not get the Single Payer Health Care System? - 7/31/2009 3:55:46 PM

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Id like to interject a question here.... why are there such a large number of people in the US not paying any taxes? 45%? thats bloody enormous

Mostly because their incomes are either too low or too high. The tax system is set up so that the middle class pays far more taxes than the truly wealthy. Warren Buffet - the second richest man in the world after Bill Gates, and a very sensible man - complained about it recently.

He is worth $62 billion according to Forbes, but only pays taxes at a rate half that of his receptionist - and then only on $42 million of his income. I'm sure he could spend a few thousand dollars on tax advisor fees to shelter those $42 million as well if he really wanted to.

And still the top x% of earners pay 80% of all taxes? Warren Buffett also said "Let them invest and get rich, and then tax the hell out of them". You wonder how someone who made so much money could say something so stupid.

It's not stupid. You can't take it with you so you might as well let the government use it to do good things. And don't tell me the government wastes your money, well, maybe on defense and war they waste money, but you probably don't have a problem with that military-industrial complex thing

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RE: Why not get the Single Payer Health Care System? - 7/31/2009 4:06:14 PM

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"If you think healthcare is expensive now wait till it becomes "free.!"

It IS free and cheaper in other countries like Canada and Germany and Britain, etc. etc. don't you think it's about time the United States got up to speed with everybody else? It's ridiculous, the United States the wealthiest country in the world not providing health care to its citizens like all other Western industrialized countries. Shameful

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RE: Why not get the Single Payer Health Care System? - 7/31/2009 8:06:00 PM

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wow... never seen willbe this quiet before

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RE: Why not get the Single Payer Health Care System? - 7/31/2009 8:08:55 PM

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"If you think healthcare is expensive now wait till it becomes "free.!"

Most obviously, the government directly provides insurance via Medicare and other programs. Before Medicare was established, more than 40 percent of elderly Americans lacked any kind of health insurance. Today, Medicare — which is, by the way, one of those “single payer” systems conservatives love to demonize — covers everyone 65 and older. And surveys show that Medicare recipients are much more satisfied with their coverage than Americans with private insurance.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/31/opinion/31krugman.html?em

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RE: Why not get the Single Payer Health Care System? - 7/31/2009 8:35:12 PM

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wow... never seen willbe this quiet before

You're mean. But I like that... I like that.

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RE: Why not get the Single Payer Health Care System? - 8/1/2009 11:10:06 PM

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And hurt the millions of people who work for them and the 10s of millions of people invested in them.

It seems that their "socialized medicine" doesn't exactly hurt other countries in this field. One of the leading manufacturer of MRI machines is Siemens, a German company. Germany invented the whole field of antibiotics and Aspirin. The HIV virus was discovered by a Frenchman. The heart transplant came out of South Africa. Most of the computerization in the medical field also came out of Germany (I was involved with one such project myself as a consultant). Germany is also leading in cancer research.

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So we've destroyed the high end travel industry, socialized banking and the car companies, why not move on and fuck up a another chunk of the economy.

Huh? How about a Caribbean cruise STARTING AT $23,938 on the Seabourne Odyssey? Or a transatlantic crossing on the Queen Mary 2 or Queen Elizabeth 2? A $250/day cruise with Silversea Cruises - and that is after a 50% price cut due to the economy.

And that really IS a luxury, unlike health care.

Socialized banking? Really? Where can I sign up?

Frankly I dont see the link between socialized medicine and medical discovery/technology in an era when the technology itself isnt socialized and is still profit driven. It is the imposition of price controls that I was talking about.

Exactly my point. Research proceeds just fine regardless of the health insurance system.

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Antibiotics and aspirin? Socialized medicine? ROFL. First of all Germany doesnt have socialized medicine in a strict sense, it has competition between providers.

THANK YOU! I'm glad you said that. I just don't understand why you are opposed to Obama's plan then; the German system is very similar to the one Obama proposed, with the public option.

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And if you honestly posted that thinking that antibiotics and asprin were invented after any form of universal care in Germany youre just a clown

You are totally wrong about MRI. It was invented by an American born and trained doctor, Raymond Damadian, and his company FONAR was the first to produce them.

Mandatory health insurance introduced in Germany: 1883. Penicillin discovered: 1928. And don't try to spin things again - I said "leading manufacturer". Siemens is to this day leading in MRI technology.

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Nice prices...whats the occupancy rate?

Apparently pretty good; these companies have been in business for a long time.

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What about the occupancy in Las Vegas and financial troubles of MGM,

Vegas? You are kidding, right? You asked about high-end travel! Vegas has always been the destination of the $1.99 buffet. High-end hotels in Vegas were a business gamble, if you forgive the pun, that didn't pan out.

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RE: Why not get the Single Payer Health Care System? - 8/2/2009 3:44:53 AM

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Stop using facts, the GOP does not think that is fair.

Yea, I love how they keep saying single payer will never work nor will a gov led plan, yet every for profit insurance company in this country drops people on to medicare when they reach 65, there is no profit in the sick.

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