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RE: How does on legally become a slave? - 7/30/2009 6:20:12 AM   
MstrPBK


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Abraham Lincoln (the US President) put a stop to that. Not just in the US but on a global bases.

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RE: How does on legally become a slave? - 7/30/2009 6:24:03 AM   
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Seriously people what the hell is it with Paperwork? How in the fuck does a piece of paper make it MORE REAL.



I dunno, what is married life like :P


It's Like Legal Simplicity.

The Hierarchy in this house is simple.

D/s comes First
Polyamory comes Second
Being a Parent comes Third

Being Married is just something we are the Paperwork is simply for Legality Ease. Seriously I am amazed at the people who put so much into MY document, more so than even I do. It Makes me Next of Kin AUTOMATIC and that is important when it comes to Life Insuarance and some of the bonds I was given as a child. Transfering those to someone specifically would cost me for one and devalue some of the bonds by changing the nature of them..... At least that is how I understand it I just wanted the simple solution which was marriage.

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RE: How does on legally become a slave? - 7/30/2009 7:02:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		I agree that for someone who wants to be made irrevocably a slave to someone else, that there is a profound and powerful attraction toward closing as many doors to freedom as you can behind you, in as firm a way as possible..

This is consensual slavery at it's finest, and it is so so unfortunate that the term "consensual slavery" includes the word "slavery", because really the two are completely different...the essential element in slavery is taking, whereas in consensual slavery it is giving!

Having read all of the replies to this post, I am still wondering whether a legal contract outlining a person's duties to another person could not be made, with the payment being, say, a dollar a year or something.
The words  "slave" or "slavery" need never be used, but the duties of the submissive person in the contract would be extensive, and could involve transference of all property and possessions to the dominant, making a living will to the dominant, having legal guardianship and power of attorney transferred to the dominant, and having extensive financial penalties due if these are revoked.


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RE: How does on legally become a slave? - 7/30/2009 7:13:05 AM   
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I understand that slavery is illegal.  However, there must be some legal way to put on in a position of real slavery to another by some legal method.  Is a power of attorney sufficient?  What other legal documents can be put into place?

Thanks.

Slavery is a retrograde step in history. So no.
Other than that
http://www.slaveregister.com/




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RE: How does on legally become a slave? - 7/30/2009 7:35:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		Here is another concept which desperately needs to be considered in our societal understanding of slavery:

Forced Freedom IS Slavery.

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RE: How does on legally become a slave? - 7/30/2009 7:54:36 AM   
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...I don't think it is illegal to not have identification...


here in California if you are going to go out and about...even on foot...and are asked by law enforcement officials to provide documentation to support your claim of who you are...you are required by law to oblige...or you will be taking a ride down to the local PD station where you will remain until they determine who you are.  so it's a good idea to at least have an ID card of some sort, just in case they stop you to ask if you have seen run past a hit and run driver who abandoned their vehicle after the accident down the street, or some such thing.
 
this slave thinks it would also be a good idea to legally change one's name to the owner's as well.  this slave's name reflects the fact that she belongs to Him...in a strictly legal sense, it was changed when this slave became HIS wife, as He gave her HIS last name.

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RE: How does on legally become a slave? - 7/30/2009 7:56:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		Slight hijack: why is it the only people who ever want this are male subs? I have never heard of a female sub seeking this.

Anyway you can't. She could take your money and buy herself a house with it, and the moment it was proved in court it was your money, she would be obligated to pay you back. POAs can be overturned at any time.

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RE: How does on legally become a slave? - 7/30/2009 10:27:14 AM   
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Slight hijack: why is it the only people who ever want this are male subs? I have never heard of a female sub seeking this.

How about because females already know that if they truly wanted to be a non-consensual slave, just as Steele indicated, it's not that hard... happens all the time. And also how about because women deal with the reality of rape more regularly than men (in general within our society -- even those who have not be raped). And so it's harder for a female to be lost in fantasy on this particular topic.

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RE: How does on legally become a slave? - 7/30/2009 10:43:04 AM   
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RE: How does on legally become a slave? - 7/30/2009 10:52:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		No contract can usurp law. The law renders the contract invalid. It works the same way for contracts with minors... A minor can't be bound to a legal contract as it's the stance of law that minors are incapable of legal consent which extends beyond the bounds of what's typically meant by age of consent.

There has been endless debate about the term "slave" in the BDSM community... If you've ever met someone who was an actual slave, non consensual, taken from their home and forced into labor or sex trades, you would be ashamed to call yourself by the same name.


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RE: How does on legally become a slave? - 7/30/2009 11:02:25 AM   
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Plain ans simple ... you can't. [period]

Abraham Lincoln (the US President) put a stop to that. Not just in the US but on a global bases.

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No. Here are at least four examples of where slavery exists outside of our economic and cultural bound system.
http://www.progress.org/slave01.htm 

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=j5Rb6Mwd3zoC&pg=PA378&lpg=PA378&dq=tithed+slave+africa&source=bl&ots=lvwcpWxrpp&sig=cQudja4b_t-r-p6Xt_gSKZ4z1AA&hl=en&ei=5N1xSrikNJHMjAe62rWbDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1

http://amitangshu.blogspot.com/2009/04/on-4-th-of-february-2009-villagers-of.html  

http://www1.american.edu/ted/chocolate-slave.htm  

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RE: How does on legally become a slave? - 7/30/2009 11:31:17 AM   
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I understand that slavery is illegal.  However, there must be some legal way to put on in a position of real slavery to another by some legal method.  Is a power of attorney sufficient?  What other legal documents can be put into place?

Thanks.


Want to truly be a slave - commit a crime and get thrown in prison. ALL your rights will be removed immediately. Other than that you always still have a choice.


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RE: How does on legally become a slave? - 7/30/2009 11:35:18 AM   
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Want to truly be a slave - commit a crime and get thrown in prison. ALL your rights will be removed immediately. Other than that you always still have a choice.



False.  not ALL rights are removed upon incarceration in prison.  for example:  conjugal visits.

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RE: How does on legally become a slave? - 7/30/2009 11:45:55 AM   
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ORIGINAL: maia09

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ORIGINAL: Sub516

I understand that slavery is illegal.  However, there must be some legal way to put on in a position of real slavery to another by some legal method.  Is a power of attorney sufficient?  What other legal documents can be put into place?

Thanks.


Want to truly be a slave - commit a crime and get thrown in prison. ALL your rights will be removed immediately. Other than that you always still have a choice.



Or, as a variation on that theme - commit a crime (a serious crime) and allow your dominant to be in the position where he or she is the only person who is able to give you refuge. Turn over all your money, your ID, your clothing, whatever. Give him or her everything you own.

As long as you stay in  the home, nobody knows where you are; but the minute you choose to leave his or her house, you're on your own - without money or ID, most people would come into contact with the police fairly quickly, which would mean an immediate arrest and (depending on the crime) perhaps a lifetime in prison. It wouldn't meet the definition of legal slavery, of course, but for all practical purposes, it would be pretty much the same thing - because the person who was hiding you would sure as hell own your ass.


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RE: How does on legally become a slave? - 7/30/2009 12:10:10 PM   
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...Or, as a variation on that theme - commit a crime (a serious crime) and allow your dominant to be in the position where he or she is the only person who is able to give you refuge. Turn over all your money, your ID, your clothing, whatever. Give him or her everything you own...


why not just do all that turning over of money & posessions and giving up outside employment/activities, etc. to the owner without
 
a) committing the crime
and/or
b) having the owner commit the crime of harboring/concealing a criminal
 
???

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RE: How does on legally become a slave? - 7/30/2009 12:15:00 PM   
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RE: How does on legally become a slave? - 7/30/2009 12:19:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		Incarseration is NOT SLAVERY. In Fact Prisones have MANY rights, they just do not get to walk the streets freely, The appeals Process is a wonderful example of just how many rights you have in prison.

Conjugal Visits are not rights by the way they are agreements to the terms of your inprisonment. Not everyone gets them.

Also SLAVERY is not about having your actions restricted it is about being the literal property of another human being and having NO RIGHTS save for what is given to you. Since Slavery was Abolished in the United States there is NO form of Legal Slavery Today in the US, Some Countries Trade in Slaves Still such as the one I mentioned before as well as Korea and Most Middle Eastern Countries however today it is very underground and the penalties are HEAVY which is why most slaves are just killed after a period of time as to not bring any inquisition upon the owner.

Seriously People What we do is a Fantasy, it is a Concept, The Slavery that is being suggested in this thread is the kind that terrorizes the minds of people when they hear that what we do we call slavery.

Are we all really missing this difference?

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RE: How does on legally become a slave? - 7/30/2009 12:27:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Fast Reply:  Very simply, one cannot legally bind oneself into slavery.  And no, being in the military or in a job isn't even close.  As i see it, there is no need for any legal method of being enslaved, and one could not be invented that would not be subject to abuse.

What can bind a slave into slavery is his sense of Honor.  If he doesn't have one, then nothing else will work.  If he does have one, then nothing else is needed.

Her slave,

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RE: How does on legally become a slave? - 7/30/2009 12:30:14 PM   
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...Or, as a variation on that theme - commit a crime (a serious crime) and allow your dominant to be in the position where he or she is the only person who is able to give you refuge. Turn over all your money, your ID, your clothing, whatever. Give him or her everything you own...


why not just do all that turning over of money & posessions and giving up outside employment/activities, etc. to the owner without
 
a) committing the crime
and/or
b) having the owner commit the crime of harboring/concealing a criminal
 
???


Well, first, I want to make clear to anyone reading this who may be wondering, I'm not really advocating this, nor am I even seriously suggesting it as a possibility. In case anyone was starting to  question my sanity or morals. I'm just tossing it out there as a somewhat facetious and purely theoretical exercise.

But having said that, everything you suggest is revocable. You'd still have free choice to leave at any time, without suffering any truly dire consequences. The person to whom you signed everything over really holds no power over you. You can walk away on Monday, and by Tuesday morning, already be building a fine new life. The OP's fantasy of becoming a slave, completely under the control of another and without any real choices whatsoever, is impossible. As bizarre as this suggestion is, it's still the closest thing I can imagine at the moment to achieving the situation the OP is looking for. And frankly, now that I think about it, is probably no more ridiculous than the original idea, when you get right down to it.


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RE: How does on legally become a slave? - 7/30/2009 12:32:26 PM   
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Incarseration is NOT SLAVERY. In Fact Prisones have MANY rights, they just do not get to walk the streets freely, The appeals Process is a wonderful example of just how many rights you have in prison.
Depends where you are.  If somebody wants to have an actual full legal slavery, including losing the right to life, Amnesty International should have a useful list of possible countries to get arrested in.


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