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RE: How does on legally become a slave? - 7/30/2009 12:33:07 PM

HarryVanWinkle

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Plain ans simple ... you can't. [period]

Abraham Lincoln (the US President) put a stop to that. Not just in the US but on a global bases.

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Abraham Lincoln did not put a stop to it in the U.S, nor anywhere else. The 13th Amendment to the Constitution, which wasn't proposed or ratified until after Lincoln was dead ended legal slavery in the U.S.

Legal slavery was outlawed throughout the British Empire in 1833, over three decades before it happened in the U.S. The single most effective instrument in suppressing slavery, worldwide, was the Royal Navy.

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RE: How does on legally become a slave? - 7/30/2009 12:35:37 PM

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Seriously people what the hell is it with Paperwork? How in the fuck does a piece of paper make it MORE REAL.

Probably psychological.

I've heard people refer to themselves as registered slave with the IRS.

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RE: How does on legally become a slave? - 7/30/2009 12:50:47 PM

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As other said, unless you want to do what one member brought up the only way your could be a real slave is to hope a flying delorian or a police box shows up at your house and offers you a lift.

Even then, why would you?

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RE: How does on legally become a slave? - 7/30/2009 1:01:58 PM

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Get married.

Better still have a marriage that's arranged to someone sight unseen.

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RE: How does on legally become a slave? - 7/30/2009 1:05:08 PM

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Slight hijack: why is it the only people who ever want this are male subs? I have never heard of a female sub seeking this.

Anyway you can't. She could take your money and buy herself a house with it, and the moment it was proved in court it was your money, she would be obligated to pay you back. POAs can be overturned at any time.

I don't know if it's a gender issue I think it's a sanity issue.
I think I simply understand that wanting something that is non-consensual is not non-consensual.
Does anyone else understand this?
Please say yes...someone.

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RE: How does on legally become a slave? - 7/30/2009 1:17:45 PM

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Get a job...at least I feel like a legal one every single day I go there.

Yeah, there's a reason they call us 'wage-slaves'. *LOL*

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RE: How does on legally become a slave? - 7/30/2009 1:19:28 PM

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I understand that slavery is illegal. However, there must be some legal way to put on in a position of real slavery to another by some legal method. Is a power of attorney sufficient? What other legal documents can be put into place?

Thanks.

Yeah, and by joining the military, you get that -wonderful- 2nd-generation bonus... your spouse and -kids- get to be slaves, too!!!

DC

quickest way? join the Military

beyond that... nope.

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RE: How does on legally become a slave? - 7/30/2009 1:22:23 PM

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...I don't think it is illegal to not have identification...

here in California if you are going to go out and about...even on foot...and are asked by law enforcement officials to provide documentation to support your claim of who you are...you are required by law to oblige...or you will be taking a ride down to the local PD station where you will remain until they determine who you are. so it's a good idea to at least have an ID card of some sort, just in case they stop you to ask if you have seen run past a hit and run driver who abandoned their vehicle after the accident down the street, or some such thing.

this slave thinks it would also be a good idea to legally change one's name to the owner's as well. this slave's name reflects the fact that she belongs to Him...in a strictly legal sense, it was changed when this slave became HIS wife, as He gave her HIS last name.

Merde sainte... we don't even have -that- level of police-state in TEXAS!

DC

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RE: How does on legally become a slave? - 7/30/2009 1:26:43 PM

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Seriously people what the hell is it with Paperwork? How in the fuck does a piece of paper make it MORE REAL.

I dunno, what is married life like :P

Married life is NOT slavery I can tell you that! *grin*

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RE: How does on legally become a slave? - 7/30/2009 1:47:56 PM

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ORIGINAL: Prinsexx

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

Slight hijack: why is it the only people who ever want this are male subs? I have never heard of a female sub seeking this.

Anyway you can't. She could take your money and buy herself a house with it, and the moment it was proved in court it was your money, she would be obligated to pay you back. POAs can be overturned at any time.

I don't know if it's a gender issue I think it's a sanity issue.
I think I simply understand that wanting something that is non-consensual is not non-consensual.
Does anyone else understand this?
Please say yes...someone.

Yes I get what your saying. Non-consentual being forced against ones will to be a slave.

You can't really say you want a non-consentual, at least from the pov of a sub or slave.

I have seen ads though of Doms into non-consentual blackmail though.

I don't think those who say they want non-consentual slavery quite understand what non-consentual means.

Or they mean something along the lines of not giving consent to certain activities or disregarding whether the person has it as limit or not.

Which is different.

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RE: How does on legally become a slave? - 7/30/2009 1:49:20 PM

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ORIGINAL: lockemann

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ORIGINAL: LillyoftheVally

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ORIGINAL: SteelofUtah

Seriously people what the hell is it with Paperwork? How in the fuck does a piece of paper make it MORE REAL.

I dunno, what is married life like :P

Married life is NOT slavery I can tell you that! *grin*

Ambiguous... are you saying yo wish it were?

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RE: How does on legally become a slave? - 7/30/2009 2:13:52 PM

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Real slavery is seldom legal. Muslim countries that have Sharia law might be one option. There is plenty of illegal slavery going on though. If you were young, female, and attractive, or young, male, and black, it would be relatively easy to find someone who would make you into a real slave. There ARE countries where slavery is legal, or quasi-legal enough that the police look the other way. It is possible for females to be trafficked into sexual slavery right here in the USA. Not legal, but still possible. Wherever there is a market that is willing to pay a high enough price, product will always be found to satisfy it, legal or not.

As a middle-aged white male, sorry. No market for you. As close as you will get is to be convicted of a crime in some country or state that still punishes with hard labor. I think there are one or two in the US even. Alabama maybe, or Louisiana. But somehow I don't think that working in a chain gang and being Bubba's bitch at night is what you had in mind. And I doubt that you would enjoy it. Correct me if I'm wrong.

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RE: How does on legally become a slave? - 7/30/2009 6:09:00 PM

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I understand that slavery is illegal. However, there must be some legal way to put on in a position of real slavery to another by some legal method. Is a power of attorney sufficient? What other legal documents can be put into place?

Thanks.

There truly is. Get yourself a credit card. Get yourself a savings acount. Save money at 3%. Borrow money as 25%. Viola, you are a slave.

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RE: How does on legally become a slave? - 7/30/2009 6:32:19 PM

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I gotta agree with Grizzlybear. A middled aged male is rather worthless in the illegal slave market.

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RE: How does on legally become a slave? - 7/30/2009 6:53:05 PM

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My slave (24/7) tried to close as many doors as possible because he offered himself as a gift to me. Of cource, being married and in our kind of relation, he's my slave because he needs it.
His ideas:
- He owns nothing.
- He is legally in debt to me ( 250000 euro).
- He signed a non-dated contract stating that he agreed to work to repay his debt.
- He gave me the copyright to his images or sound-recordings, and let me take pictures he doesn't want vanilla people (including his family) to see.
- He signs anything I want him to.

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RE: How does on legally become a slave? - 7/30/2009 7:03:48 PM

cadenas

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...I don't think it is illegal to not have identification...

here in California if you are going to go out and about...even on foot...and are asked by law enforcement officials to provide documentation to support your claim of who you are...you are required by law to oblige...

Not true. There actually was a Supreme Court case (Lawson v Kolender) that clarified that police cannot even stop you to ask for ID unless they have a specific reason to do so.

And that case actually originated in San Diego, so it definitely covers California.

Also, as a US citizen you are not required to carry ID, and police cannot hold not having an ID against you. So even if police does legally stop and ask you for your name and ID for a specific reason, they cannot take you to the police station for not having an ID. On the other hand, they CAN take you to the station for having an ID and refusing to show it, or for lying about having an ID. So if you just got out of the driver's seat of a car, telling an officer "my name is John Smith, and I don't have any ID" is probably a bad idea.

Foreign citizens are required to carry their immigration documents at all times.

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RE: How does on legally become a slave? - 7/30/2009 7:15:53 PM

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ORIGINAL: Sub516

I understand that slavery is illegal. However, there must be some legal way to put on in a position of real slavery to another by some legal method. Is a power of attorney sufficient? What other legal documents can be put into place?

Thanks.

That's like asking how does one legally rob a bank (outside of being a member of Congress, of course

). There's no such animal. That said, people still rob banks, legal or not, and slavery still exists, legal or not. You can get close, but you're not going to make slavery legal no matter what you do. It is one of the few absolutes extant. Slavery is illegal everywhere in the world .. but, it's still practiced.

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RE: How does on legally become a slave? - 7/30/2009 7:17:34 PM

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I understand that slavery is illegal. However, there must be some legal way to put on in a position of real slavery to another by some legal method. Is a power of attorney sufficient? What other legal documents can be put into place?

Define what you are really trying to accomplish, and you will probably have an answer that will work for you.

Most of the time I've heard this, what the person had in mind actually was consensual non-consent. Basically, making sure that once you are enslaved, you have no way back out.

If that is what you have in mind, there are quite a few ways to do it, it's not all that uncommon. Some other people have already mentioned "no money" "not owning anything" etc. Blackmail is another way.

One consideration is that a lot in BDSM is related to what abusers do - the difference being consent.

Now non-consensual abuse is something horrendous. But you can still look at it for some other ways. Just make sure that you don't blindly re-implement it, but do it in a positive way. Similar to how a spanking or caning is very different from battery despite the similarity in techniques.

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RE: How does on legally become a slave? - 7/30/2009 8:02:18 PM

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...Not true. There actually was a Supreme Court case (Lawson v Kolender) that clarified that police cannot even stop you to ask for ID unless they have a specific reason to do so...

is true. they can come up with whatever reason they want to stop you...and have. this slave has been stopped for failing to stop at a stop sign by an officer who couldn't even see her as she stopped...and had to provide all the documentation required for operating a motor vehicle---including a driver's license. it might not be the law, as it is written...but it is the reality as this slave has experienced it.

this slave has been called down to the station to pick up folks hauled in because they weren't carrying proper ID...more than once...so, instead of making a Supreme Court case out of it, we just gave the officers the information they required...and left.

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RE: How does on legally become a slave? - 7/30/2009 9:02:50 PM

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Once, I had a police officer stop me and ask me for my driver's license because I was walking on the painted line of the crosswalk as I crossed the street. Not my ID, specifically asked for driver's license. Though, he did at least have the good sense to blush when I pointed out that I was not driving.

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