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MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Under Protection???????? (8/5/2009 12:01:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: WyldHrt

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Well, then please do share why YOU think the person I referenced, who is (i) just out of an "abusive" relationship, (ii) living with someone because they can't fend for themselves, and (iii) lacks the ability to "say no" (i.e., is unable to give/deny consent) should in ANY way be focusing on BDSM (munches and play parties), instead of getting therapy and their life in order as a first priority?!!

What made you think I was objecting to that particular part of your post? Interesting.
BTW, most of us can read what you write better without the random capped words. Just saying.



Yet, you still haven't addressed whatever part(s) you disagree with. Interesting. 

BTW, if I choose to cap certain words for emphasis, that's my choice to do so.  Many little things appear to bother you. Just saying.






SteelofUtah -> RE: Under Protection???????? (8/5/2009 12:04:52 PM)

MSLV,

Wyld is under my Protection and your behavior is unacceptable to me, Stop Trolling her as I can attest she is not into Girls.

Okay That was fun, on a few different levels.

On a serious note to MSLV, All the things you pointed out about the person are valid and possibly true. However who the fuck are you to determine what is and isn't okay between two adults who think they knwo what they want. Hell your comments and behavior on this board would have me believe you have a pussy-whipped dom behind you who is more afraid of the back lash of words that you would send at him if he asked you to curb your tongue then how people on this board see him because of the way you carry youself.

You actions reflect on his ability to manage his home and so far I think you are the one in control. That is fine by me, I am not here to judge you and say it is wrong or what you SHOULD be doing because it is none of my fucking business, I just ignore you for the most part and chalk it up to someone who thinks what they say on these forums is important and you either seek chaos or dischord. Either way in the end your opinion on anyones life is about as impacting on the actual flow of things as a fly farting at a semi truck.

Some people want one thing and some people want another. The idea of someone being undersomeone protection is retarded to me. COMPLETELY RETARDED, because there is no actual protection going on, rather they are given an excuse to behave poorly and have everything directed to someone else who it would seem wants the attention and the internal accolades of someone doing something Good and Right in the community.

You cannot protect someone from themselves.

So what is Protection is it is impossible to protect someone from the person doing the most damage?

Steel




MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Under Protection???????? (8/5/2009 12:30:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SteelofUtah

MSLV,

Wyld is under my Protection...


Explains a lot.  BTW, the proper acronym is "MSLA", not "MSLV".

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On a serious note to MSLV, All the things you pointed out about the person are valid and possibly true. However who the fuck are you to determine what is and isn't okay between two adults


You're making my point for me... "Who the fuck is this alleged protector to determine what's best for two adults"???  This is along the lines of the "Mentor" thing which I think is equally a joke.  The only thing this alleged protector is doing is filtering people that match THEIR point of view.

But to answer your question, I could care less what people do with their lives... but my opinion is the "Mentor", "Under Protection" and "Under Consideration" things are stooooopud.  I don't post my opinions becasue I'm seeking to build a group of kinksters who share my views... I simply post my opinions.  Nothing more, nothing less.  People can shove a watermelon up their ass for all I care, but if I think doing so is stupid, then that's the opinion I'm going to share.

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The idea of someone being undersomeone protection is retarded to me. COMPLETELY RETARDED...



This above position of YOURS is no different from mine. So how does YOUR opinion differ from MY opinion?  Did you not just ASSUME another's dynamic is "COMPLETELY RETARDED", or did you not just state your personal opinion... just as I did???

*Note:  Your allegations about my personal dynamic are completely wrong, so they will not be addressed beyond that.  Think what you want... you're wrong.




lovingpet -> RE: Under Protection???????? (8/5/2009 1:53:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CelticPrince

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What if DarkSteven desires his private affairs remain that way instead of making the submissive a target for any people who wish to do ill to him? Just sayin! There's a lot of of ways to show you care.

lovingpet


pet,

Indeed there are many ways to show you care, and I suppose this is one of them for DS; laughs, this his choice but it still chaps my ass.

CP


LOL!!!! I am sure DarkSteven will be thrilled to know he chaps your ass![8D]

If someone wishes to express that they are in some sort of interaction that makes them happy, I could care less what they call it. I just see it and assume that, at least for the time being, the person is happy. I'm happy for them. It is not my concern how weal and twue their relationship turns out to be. The only thing that carries any weight with me is a real time, formal collar. The rest is just too subjective for me to give my approval (like it matters what I think) or my objection (like it matters what I think).

I know it upsets you CP. I can't help everyone isn't as cool and laid back as me! LOL

lovingpet




CelticPrince -> RE: Under Protection???????? (8/5/2009 6:43:56 PM)


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ORIGINAL: CallaFirestormBW

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Not to be picky but isn't that just being a friend?

In when people in the real world go through tough times and need support they don't wander around proclaiming that they are under protection they may ask friends for support or support groups or rely on themselves, the fancy name is melodramatic. In my experience also it is almost exclusively used by people who have just stumbled into wiitwd and are trying so bloody hard to fit in that they use terms like under consideration and under protection and all that stuff

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dimples,

For myself, I have mentored many when they come to me for advice, and one of the points that I make to them is the under protection on line is crap! In real time there is a use for the concept but there it is not normally mentioned.

CP


See, I disagree that it is so cut and dried. As I said earlier, we've taken on some folks whom I wouldn't consider 'friends' (I'm very picky about using that word, and we didn't know them -that- well), and who weren't mentees, students, or associated with our household. Usually, these were folks whom we were recommended to because we were active in the community and had folks going to almost all the local events, so having someone tag along under our protection wasn't a huge deal.

Like Alexandra, sometimes these folks just needed someone to intercede for them, as they knew themselves well enough to know that they weren't good at saying -no- if the "do it" was couched firmly enough. In a couple of cases, there was sufficient reason to worry about potential danger that 'protection' wasn't overstated by any stretch of the imagination.

If you don't like the term, don't use it -- but it can't be completely discounted just because -some- jackoffs use the premise inappropriately. We, however, will continue to use the term and provide the resource wherever it seems appropriate to do so.

Dame Calla

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See, I disagree that it is so cut and dried. As I said earlier, we've taken on some folks whom I wouldn't consider 'friends' (I'm very picky about using that word, and we didn't know them -that- well), and who weren't mentees, students, or associated with our household. Usually, these were folks whom we were recommended to because we were active in the community and had folks going to almost all the local events, so having someone tag along under our protection wasn't a huge deal.

Like Alexandra, sometimes these folks just needed someone to intercede for them, as they knew themselves well enough to know that they weren't good at saying -no- if the "do it" was couched firmly enough. In a couple of cases, there was sufficient reason to worry about potential danger that 'protection' wasn't overstated by any stretch of the imagination.

If you don't like the term, don't use it -- but it can't be completely discounted just because -some- jackoffs use the premise inappropriately. We, however, will continue to use the term and provide the resource wherever it seems appropriate to do so.


Calla,

OK I will not use it cause I do nott like it but it will still chap my ass when I read it.

CP




SteelofUtah -> RE: Under Protection???????? (8/5/2009 7:44:56 PM)

MDMA,

You again missed the point and decided only to structure your answer based on what you wanted to hear and not what was being said. It is odd that you do this because otherwise you seem so bright but come off so snotty and childlike it really does look so bad.

My Point was I may think it is completely retarded, BUT it is two adults doing what they want. More power to them. If it makes them happy well I am happy for them. Obviously Wyld is NOT under my protection of consideration it was just a little billygoating at your expense. The Point is that if someone wants to have a Protector and it works for both them and the person who takes posession so to speak. Who are we to say it is right or wrong. This seems to be your mode of discussion, it is either they are wrong because you are right or they are stupid because you are right. Either way if people do not align themselves with your opinion they are either wrong or stupid and this is what I protest against.

I really wish you well but again I am not holding you responsible for your actions I hold the person who is supposed to be at the other end of your leash for allowing it to continue.

Steel




BitaTruble -> RE: Under Protection???????? (8/5/2009 8:07:22 PM)


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ORIGINAL: CelticPrince

To be concise, this just chaps my ass!

What does it mean to you?

CP


It means that someone besides 'me' cares about me, cares what happens to me, is interested in my well-being and beyond a simple friendship, will step in when I'm too cranky, too tired, too jaded .. too whatever to deal in the moment. I wouldn't want to put a friend into that sort of position, but Himself, yeah, that's one of his jobs. He is supposed to protect me. I know because he's said so. It's like having a safeword .. it's a 'just in case' sorta thing. Master is my protector, my lover, my friend, my husband, my comfort (way better than chocolate and I do NOT say that lightly!) and I like being able to curl up under his arm and feel safe and feel protected when the world feels like it's fucking with me. Then I get up the next day and get my shit back together and trudge along. My moments of weakness are few and very far between, but it's nice to know that when I do have them, someone's got my back.





CelticPrince -> RE: Under Protection???????? (8/6/2009 7:50:26 AM)

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As with most things, "if it works for them, great." I know some people are really into creating their on formal rituals and titles. If that's someone's kink then good for them. I don't really want to have to figure out what people should be in to. I have taken people places for the purpose of introducing the others both in and out of any "scene" situation. I also have a couple of single submissives that I am simply friends with who like to hang around. I don't use the term "under protection" because I think it's implied. If out with someone and they need my assistance (change a tire, or get rid of a jerk) then I do what I can. I would do that for any of my friends and the title i use for that is simply "friend." If someone has that on their profile then I tend not to communicate with them as that level of "ritual" is not my kink. It is pretty much the same as listing watersports as an requirement -- nothing wrong with it just not for me. I don't need to comment on if it's an okay kink to have or not.

My friends call me the "emperor of china" but I don't really expect the people of china or the U.N. to recognize me as that.


MB,

Well you might try our for the UN, China, not so much! For me friend works just fine. Although, in some cases, the term is well intentioned in most it is just a horndog getting ready to take off his nice Dom mask before showing hiom.her the way to submission..

CP




eyesopened -> RE: Under Protection???????? (8/6/2009 8:25:57 AM)

My opinion is there would be fewer chapped asses if folks were not so intent on everyone doing everything the right way (read: MY way).  Every time I read a thread that basically says "they don't do it right"  I can't help but to think of the following....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iBY7Yirq60


Maybe we're just too delicate?




CelticPrince -> RE: Under Protection???????? (8/6/2009 11:11:03 AM)

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Wow, 5 pages on something that doesn't mean anything beyond the people involved. Impressive, not.

To those bothered by seeing this in a profile, move on; to those confronted with it in a club, she's not that into you; to MSLA, well, not much I can say there without getting mod spanked.
Done.


WyldHrt,

Well tis a subject that many have noted in the past, and as you suggest, the wise ones move on, but it still chaps my ass!

CP




CelticPrince -> RE: Under Protection???????? (8/6/2009 11:18:13 AM)

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LOL!!!! I am sure DarkSteven will be thrilled to know he chaps your ass!

If someone wishes to express that they are in some sort of interaction that makes them happy, I could care less what they call it. I just see it and assume that, at least for the time being, the person is happy. I'm happy for them. It is not my concern how weal and twue their relationship turns out to be. The only thing that carries any weight with me is a real time, formal collar. The rest is just too subjective for me to give my approval (like it matters what I think) or my objection (like it matters what I think).

I know it upsets you CP. I can't help everyone isn't as cool and laid back as me! LOL

lovingpet


pet,

There has been nothing in this thread that gets me "upset" aka pissed.
But thanks for your observations.

CP




CelticPrince -> RE: Under Protection???????? (8/6/2009 11:22:07 AM)

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It means that someone besides 'me' cares about me, cares what happens to me, is interested in my well-being and beyond a simple friendship, will step in when I'm too cranky, too tired, too jaded .. too whatever to deal in the moment. I wouldn't want to put a friend into that sort of position, but Himself, yeah, that's one of his jobs. He is supposed to protect me. I know because he's said so. It's like having a safeword .. it's a 'just in case' sorta thing. Master is my protector, my lover, my friend, my husband, my comfort (way better than chocolate and I do NOT say that lightly!) and I like being able to curl up under his arm and feel safe and feel protected when the world feels like it's fucking with me. Then I get up the next day and get my shit back together and trudge along. My moments of weakness are few and very far between, but it's nice to know that when I do have them, someone's got my back.


Truble,

You just described, and rightly so, a relationship to your Master, thus Under Protection" for you is an assumed state and need not be so stated / at least to the experienced path walkers.

CP




CelticPrince -> RE: Under Protection???????? (8/6/2009 11:25:20 AM)

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My opinion is there would be fewer chapped asses if folks were not so intent on everyone doing everything the right way (read: MY way). Every time I read a thread that basically says "they don't do it right" I can't help but to think of the following....


eyes,

Good comment that covers a plethora of considerations; but point specific??

CP




pyroaquatic -> RE: Under Protection???????? (8/6/2009 11:38:40 AM)

Protection. I wear a condom.

Oh oh oh.... different sort of protection.

Well in some instances of an abusive relationship there should be a non-D/s form of protection.
Other than that....
meh. I have a big stick that I can hit people with. And teeth. Sharp pointy teeth.




lovingpet -> RE: Under Protection???????? (8/6/2009 11:43:05 AM)


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ORIGINAL: CelticPrince

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LOL!!!! I am sure DarkSteven will be thrilled to know he chaps your ass!

If someone wishes to express that they are in some sort of interaction that makes them happy, I could care less what they call it. I just see it and assume that, at least for the time being, the person is happy. I'm happy for them. It is not my concern how weal and twue their relationship turns out to be. The only thing that carries any weight with me is a real time, formal collar. The rest is just too subjective for me to give my approval (like it matters what I think) or my objection (like it matters what I think).

I know it upsets you CP. I can't help everyone isn't as cool and laid back as me! LOL

lovingpet


pet,

There has been nothing in this thread that gets me "upset" aka pissed.
But thanks for your observations.

CP


Irritated a better word? I was merely commenting on the fact that you clearly dislike the terminology in question. Is that unfair?

You don't care for the term. I don't either. I don't care for a lot of terms used in "the lifestyle", but without some level of vocabulary for all this, we cease to be able to discuss things in any useful fashion. I prefer to state my definition of something (if relavent) and then, based upon my understanding, discuss it in greater depth or in a given context. Someone else can come along and define that same thing differently and give a different perspective. Without some term to define, however, none of this is really possible.

I hate labeling everything. I hate being labeled. At the end of the day, however, it is a tool for communicating even if it is in an imperfect manner. I can get some gist of the nature of a person's perceived relationship when they have "under protection of" on their profile. I may not be exactly correct, but I can guess. Further, the fact that someone uses something like this in a poor manner does not negate its use for others. It certainly makes those definitions that much more difficult, but if a term is useful for someone, then my preference or confusion is inconsequential.

Bad people screw up good things for others. Abdicating our own words to those people is not an effective strategy.

lovingpet




eyesopened -> RE: Under Protection???????? (8/6/2009 12:02:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CelticPrince

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My opinion is there would be fewer chapped asses if folks were not so intent on everyone doing everything the right way (read: MY way). Every time I read a thread that basically says "they don't do it right" I can't help but to think of the following....


eyes,

Good comment that covers a plethora of considerations; but point specific??

CP


I guess CP I would like you to be point specific.  Why does "under protection of BadAssMaster" chap your ass when said profile in no way adds to or deletes from the quality of your life?  Is is that you dearly wish all would understand the "right way" to do things?  It's just that as pointed out many times, newbies are going to make mistakes.  Every single human being (sans those with physical defect or disease to prevent such) had to fall down a LOT in order to learn to walk.  It is what it is. Getting ones ass chapped seems so unhappy.  Personally, I prefer to laugh.  Like, what chaps my ass is a snow drift about this high.....




MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Under Protection???????? (8/6/2009 2:49:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SteelofUtah



Again... you stated the SAME thing I did (stating it's "RETARDED"), but when YOU do it, you feel it's okay... when another does it, then it's somehow wrong; which is hypocritical. You've been caught in that hypocricy.  Do as I say, not as I do.  Doesn't work that way.





SteelofUtah -> RE: Under Protection???????? (8/6/2009 3:09:12 PM)

MSDS,

Wow, it's really like Gorillas in the Mist in this isn't it.

Stop trying to find Hypocracy, My Posting is not about what I think of when people are under protection. My post is about how you are reacting to other posters. If you are unable to see this point then I might as well be talking to a door knob.

Yes in this situation, on the subject we agree, however in the way we PRESENT the subject we do NOT agree.

Have I broken it down far enough for you or would you like me to go get a crayon?

I know you aren't that dense no Human can be effectivly be as we are all approx 70% water so it is almost impossible that you are that dense, so I ask you now what is the point that you are trying to make? You posted your opinion and then you have jumped on any opinion that is different from your own, and then accused me who happenes to agree with your sentiment on the subject just not the mode in which you present it of being hypocritical.

Being objective in a conversation means you have to weight it before you attampt to discredit it. You are not paying attention to what is actually being said only what you want to hear.

Steel





LadyPact -> RE: Under Protection???????? (8/6/2009 4:05:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MasterSlaveLA

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ORIGINAL: SteelofUtah

MSLV,

Wyld is under my Protection...


Explains a lot.  BTW, the proper acronym is "MSLA", not "MSLV".

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On a serious note to MSLV, All the things you pointed out about the person are valid and possibly true. However who the fuck are you to determine what is and isn't okay between two adults


You're making my point for me... "Who the fuck is this alleged protector to determine what's best for two adults"???  This is along the lines of the "Mentor" thing which I think is equally a joke.  The only thing this alleged protector is doing is filtering people that match THEIR point of view.

But to answer your question, I could care less what people do with their lives... but my opinion is the "Mentor", "Under Protection" and "Under Consideration" things are stooooopud.  I don't post my opinions becasue I'm seeking to build a group of kinksters who share my views... I simply post my opinions.  Nothing more, nothing less.  People can shove a watermelon up their ass for all I care, but if I think doing so is stupid, then that's the opinion I'm going to share.

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The idea of someone being undersomeone protection is retarded to me. COMPLETELY RETARDED...



This above position of YOURS is no different from mine. So how does YOUR opinion differ from MY opinion?  Did you not just ASSUME another's dynamic is "COMPLETELY RETARDED", or did you not just state your personal opinion... just as I did???

*Note:  Your allegations about my personal dynamic are completely wrong, so they will not be addressed beyond that.  Think what you want... you're wrong.




In that case, I must really piss you off.

I use all of those terms.  Nine times out of ten, people know what I'm talking about when I use them, at least generally.  Yes, there might be one person out of ten who doesn't have a clue of what it means, as displayed on this thread. 

I'm going to say the same thing here as I did on the "Mentor" thread.  Just because some people have used the terms for their own selfish purposes, doesn't mean that everybody using them has ulterior motives.  As Calla saved Me the keystrokes in saying, I can mentor someone without being their friend.  I can also apply the same concept to having someone under My protection.

When someone is first getting started, it can absolutely be a benefit for them to feel that they have someone protecting them.  Not from making their own personal choices, but someone who's been around long enough to help them in certain ways.  Let them know who the local predators might be or what lines they may not have heard of before.  Prior to My move, I was excellent in this capacity.  That's not the same as saying the new person is stupid.  That's saying I probably have more knowledge about certain individuals and their actual abilities after knowing them for years. 

Nay say all you will, but I can promise you that telling some trolling twit that I have a girl under My protection in meatlife has worked on more than one occasion.  If nothing else, it means they suspect that  the girl might just know what I know, and the girl gets to be looked at like something more than a piece of fresh meat. 

One last thing.  If you don't like the term, don't believe in it, or think anything else, DON'T USE IT.  Chances are, if I use it and you disapprove, I probably don't care that much.  As long as it's working for Me and whoever else is involved, that's My priority.




lovingpet -> RE: Under Protection???????? (8/6/2009 4:14:59 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyPact


I use all of those terms.  Nine times out of ten, people know what I'm talking about when I use them, at least generally.  Yes, there might be one person out of ten who doesn't have a clue of what it means, as displayed on this thread. 

I'm going to say the same thing here as I did on the "Mentor" thread.  Just because some people have used the terms for their own selfish purposes, doesn't mean that everybody using them has ulterior motives.  .
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Thank you LP! You expressed what I was trying to earlier. There is at least a general idea of what the real time term means even if there are slight variants. Further, the innappropriate or even abusive use of such terms should not negate their value to the community they are intended to assist. There is nothing wrong with the term or its use. It comes down to the people involved.

lovingpet




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