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RE: Good Without God - 8/2/2009 11:27:36 AM   
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I agree with dan997.

Hell, how about we compromise, and change the ad to, "You can do good with god as much as you can do good without god."

That way, everyone's happy.

I wouldn't be happy.

Oh...shit. Did I just ruin the the matchstick house?




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RE: Good Without God - 8/2/2009 11:30:21 AM   
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i just want to point something out. its amazing how many pople turn to god in those last few minutes.


Not indicative of anything, however, tazzy.

18 % of Americans believe the world is flat; 19% don't know from whom the U.S. won independence, with another 5% giving incorrect answers.

Emily Dickinson was correct--common belief is a poor measure of validity.


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RE: Good Without God - 8/2/2009 11:49:54 AM   
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I know I don't have to remind someone of your ideological enthusiasms how fervently Communists have advanced atheism as a key component of population control.


Yes, you do need to remind us.  Do you have a few(5-10) references to support this claim?



Read a book.

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RE: Good Without God - 8/2/2009 11:58:15 AM   
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Read a book.


There's more than one, you know.

Choose one on logic. The converse of a statement does not automatically follow.

All American Kennel Club members are dog owners. That doesn't mean all dog owners are American Kennel Club owners.

So too, atheists come from all political and economic persuasions.

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RE: Good Without God - 8/2/2009 12:00:59 PM   
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I know I don't have to remind someone of your ideological enthusiasms how fervently Communists have advanced atheism as a key component of population control.

I think those commies wore uniforms too...

*starts looking with suspicious paranoia upon uniformed folk*


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RE: Good Without God - 8/2/2009 12:07:40 PM   
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I know I don't have to remind someone of your ideological enthusiasms how fervently Communists have advanced atheism as a key component of population control.


Yes, you do need to remind us.  Do you have a few(5-10) references to support this claim?



Read a book.



LOL?

I have never been aware of any claim which suggested how "fervently Communists have advanced atheism as a key component of population control."

So, I was and still am interested in learning more.  I assume you have no references so which books do you suggest I read?


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RE: Good Without God - 8/2/2009 12:15:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Actually to be fair Esinn that is true. Religion was always strongly frowned upon especially in communist russia and later the Soviet union as it diverted feelings of devotion from the state and the party. It was deemed better to believe in the party than anything else and they did quite a lot to dismantle organised religion in their sphere of influence.

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RE: Good Without God - 8/2/2009 12:19:01 PM   
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Actually to be fair Esinn that is true. Religion was always strongly frowned upon especially in communist russia and later the Soviet union as it diverted feelings of devotion from the state and the party. It was deemed better to believe in the party than anything else and they did quite a lot to dismantle organised religion in their sphere of influence.


It's the "therefore atheists are communists" part that doesn't follow.

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RE: Good Without God - 8/2/2009 12:20:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ah I did'nt see that part of the argument music which is indeed nonsense.

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RE: Good Without God - 8/2/2009 12:47:19 PM   
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Read a book.


There's more than one, you know.

Choose one on logic. The converse of a statement does not automatically follow.

All American Kennel Club members are dog owners. That doesn't mean all dog owners are American Kennel Club owners.

So too, atheists come from all political and economic persuasions.


Please stick to what i said, not what you wish i'd said.

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RE: Good Without God - 8/2/2009 12:49:26 PM   
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Ah I did'nt see that part of the argument music which is indeed nonsense.


That's cuz no one advanced any such argument.  Someone's craving the taste of a red herring.

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RE: Good Without God - 8/2/2009 12:51:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		My apologies Mcbride, Music I can't see the atheists are communists argument either.

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RE: Good Without God - 8/2/2009 12:52:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Esinn

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ORIGINAL: mcbride

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ORIGINAL: Esinn

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I know I don't have to remind someone of your ideological enthusiasms how fervently Communists have advanced atheism as a key component of population control.


Yes, you do need to remind us.  Do you have a few(5-10) references to support this claim?



Read a book.



LOL?

I have never been aware of any claim which suggested how "fervently Communists have advanced atheism as a key component of population control."

So, I was and still am interested in learning more.  I assume you have no references so which books do you suggest I read?



Honestly, you cannot be serious.  Start with Marx, Engels, and Lenin, and just keep reading.  I'm not doing your high school homework for you.

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RE: Good Without God - 8/2/2009 1:15:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Esinn

“You can be good without God”
 


Too wishy-washy for my liking.

I'd prefer: "God hates you.....each and every one of you".

If you're going to do it - then do it properly.

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RE: Good Without God - 8/2/2009 1:23:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Starbuck09

Actually to be fair Esinn that is true. Religion was always strongly frowned upon especially in communist russia and later the Soviet union as it diverted feelings of devotion from the state and the party. It was deemed better to believe in the party than anything else and they did quite a lot to dismantle organised religion in their sphere of influence.


Hey now Mr.hot-shot, no one asked you. If you go back to read it's comments and the link it provided us with:

http://www.canada.com/Atheist+pathetic+Philosopher/1835983/story.html


It seems obvious to me it did not desire to make the same point you did.

I might be mistaken.  However, I did give it the opportunity to clarify.


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RE: Good Without God - 8/2/2009 1:27:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		Dosen't matter that no one asked me Esinn like you say i'm a hotshot so I choose where to stick my tuppence worth. I'm only pointing out that communism has promoted atheism as a tool with which to exert greater control of the people.

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RE: Good Without God - 8/2/2009 1:27:37 PM   
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“You can be good without God”



Too wishy-washy for my liking.

I'd prefer: "God hates you.....each and every one of you".

If you're going to do it - then do it properly.


I do agree everything any theist has ever told me about the thing which they call god clearly demonstrates it hates us.  The fact our bodies, planet and universe often act contrary to our happiness and are designed so poorly....  I do agree God hates us.

However, the fact that god hates humans is no reason to believe it is a necessity for our goodness.


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RE: Good Without God - 8/2/2009 1:29:46 PM   
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Dosen't matter that no one asked me Esinn like you say i'm a hotshot so I choose where to stick my tuppence worth. I'm only pointing out that communism has promoted atheism as a tool with which to exert greater control of the people.


Thank you.


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RE: Good Without God - 8/2/2009 1:32:16 PM   
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RE: Good Without God - 8/2/2009 1:35:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Esinn  I do agree God hates us.

However, the fact that god hates humans is no reason to believe it is a necessity for our goodness.



So, to recap....there's no God...but God hates humans.  

Fun.

all my love,
"it"

PS...."he" will be fine.

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