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RE: Good Without God - 8/6/2009 5:39:51 PM   
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RE: Good Without God - 8/6/2009 6:46:17 PM   
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I give credit where credit is due.

I have no need for authority persons to support me. I am Rule.


And the more I read the more I think that "Rule makes things up, because he is Rule"

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RE: Good Without God - 8/6/2009 7:04:39 PM   
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RE: Good Without God - 8/7/2009 10:52:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		My daughter like everyone was born atheist.  Unless someone is going to suggest theism is innate to human nature - LOL.

My daughter was without god for many years, there will be many more to come hopefully..  There is a chance for the rest of her life she can be good without god

So can you 


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RE: Good Without God - 8/7/2009 11:11:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		In Stephen King's book The Stand, there is a conversation between a devout believer in god and one "without god".  The religious woman tells the man what god wants him to do and the man says "But I don't believe in God!"  The woman replies, "Oh, that's okay honey, God believes in you!"

The problem as I see it is the "without a god" thing becomes a religion in itself and can become as confining a state of being as the religious fanatic.  Being open to that energy that inspires creativity of thought, the place in the mind and heart where music, art, charity, love, and hope is born, well that is a good thing, in my opinion.  I don't know the scientific name for that so I just call it god.  It is in me, a part of me, a part I can share and the more I share the more I have.  Again, I'm sure there's a scientific word for it that has been proven in a laboratory somewhere.

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RE: Good Without God - 8/7/2009 12:51:40 PM   
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The problem as I see it is the "without a god" thing becomes a religion in itself and can become as confining a state of being as the religious fanatic.  Being open to that energy that inspires creativity of thought, the place in the mind and heart where music, art, charity, love, and hope is born, well that is a good thing, in my opinion.  I don't know the scientific name for that so I just call it god.  It is in me, a part of me, a part I can share and the more I share the more I have.  Again, I'm sure there's a scientific word for it that has been proven in a laboratory somewhere.

You defining defining the human enjoyment of arts as "GOD" is a malapropisms - misuse of a word(s).  It is very frequent as English is a complicated language.  Typically this is based on ignorance.  In your case I bet you have never felt compelled to understand why things happen in your brain.  However, confusing the word god with enjoyment of arts is a pretty big blunder.  Almost as strange as when a child calls a cat a dog(or truck even).  But, we make necessary corrections and move on.


http://www.mc.vanderbilt.edu/reporter/index.html?ID=2007 - brief intro

http://www.physorg.com/news85664210.html
Shakespeare uses a linguistic technique known as functional shift that involves, for example using a noun to serve as a verb. Researchers found that this technique allows the brain to understand what a word means before it understands the function of the word within a sentence. This process causes a sudden peak in brain activity and forces the brain to work backwards in order to fully understand what Shakespeare is trying to say.



http://net.educause.edu/ir/library/pdf/ffpiu049.pdf
More detailed look at art

http://homepage.mac.com/dinalong/Personal2.html
Some Books and 'stuff'

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0JSD/is_11_63/ai_n27095632/
How the arts develop the young brain: neuroscience research is revealing the impressive impact of arts instruction on students' cognitive, social and emotional development

Now that you understand and sufficient material has been provided for you to continue to learn if you continue to misuse the word god you actions are no longer ignorant but irrational and possibly stupid.

You see we expect to have to correct the toddler many many many many times.  However, as adults it is still expected within limitations though.

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God believes in you!


I am not really sure what that means?  Stephen King wrote about man eating dogs, blobs, killer clowns and angry cars.  I am not sure if I would rely on him for a religious frame of reference.


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RE: Good Without God - 8/7/2009 12:53:43 PM   
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"Recapitulating, we may say that according to the general theory of relativity space is endowed with physical qualities; in this sense, therefore, there exists an ether. According to the general theory of relativity space without ether is unthinkable; for in such space there not only wonld be no propagation of light, but also no possibility of existence for standards of space and time (measuring-rods and clocks), nor therefore any space-time intervals in the physical sense. But this ether may not be thought of as endowed with the quality characteristic of ponderable inedia, as consisting of parts which may be tracked through time. The idea of motion may not be applied to it. "

Oops. It approximately is what I have concluded nearly twenty years ago. Einstein here makes sense.



Its typical of the word twisting people do. Everyone want to get Einstein on their side or claim he was in error about something, whether its God or the ether, so they take his words out of context where they take on a totally different meaning than a full read.

"Hey, if he said "God doesn't play dice" he must believe in God, right?"


Einstein is on the side of Atheism.  I am not sure that is good though.  He blundered quantum mechanics. 


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RE: Good Without God - 8/7/2009 6:23:08 PM   
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My daughter like everyone was born atheist.  Unless someone is going to suggest theism is innate to human nature - LOL.




Actually I think that was claimed earlier in the thread.

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RE: Good Without God - 8/13/2009 4:45:01 AM   
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Elon Musk, CEO and CTO, Space Exploration Technologies Corp (SpaceX), Peter Diamandis, CEO, X Prize Foundation and John Doerr, Venture Capital, Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3RlCVtQ6mA

Life had a a 2 billion year head start on earth on other planets in the universe

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RE: Good Without God - 8/13/2009 10:53:43 AM   
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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


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My daughter like everyone was born atheist.  Unless someone is going to suggest theism is innate to human nature - LOL.




Actually I think that was claimed earlier in the thread.



I might say it it a lot?  It is a very important and often over looked fact.  Thanks for bringing it to everyone's attention one final time.


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