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RE: The concept of mentoring - 8/3/2009 7:15:22 PM   
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RE: The concept of mentoring - 8/3/2009 9:26:26 PM   
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No, mentoring is not friendship. However, it includes a subset of friendly qualities.

A mentor / trainee interaction is not balanced, as is a friendly interaction. The mentor unconditionally provides support and guidance based on wisdom gained through experience. The trainee does not reciprocate as would a friend. When a trainee has found fulfillment within themself, they are free to share that with another as a friend or partner.

One thing which a skilled mentor will model is unconditional service -- sharing experience without expectation of getting something back in return. While that may feel friendly to the trainee, it is not the same to the mentor.

A mentor teaches what works by showing a person how to become more aware and emotionally open -- by showing another how to "first know thyself" as Plato quoted Socrates.

"What we need to make ourselves happy" ... is to gain the awareness that our source of fulfillment, love, happiness is ever present in the only place we can ever feel it: our very own heart.

You can't share what you don't have, or don't know you have. A mentor shows one the path to finding their own self value/worth/esteem, which can then be shared with another. This applies equally to the controller who does so with present awareness from a place of empathy and humbleness, and to the surrendered who does so with free choice and self will from a place of personal strength and power.

So long as mentoring remains a mere intellectual concept to you, the experience of sharing wisdom will remain a mystery. There is only one species of person -- Homo Sapiens. A heterosexual male does not gain essential sexual wisdom from another heterosexual male, let alone a carpenter or ironworker.



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RE: The concept of mentoring - 8/4/2009 10:01:35 PM   
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In the past, I've had a couple of people who were informal mentors/tutors/playpartners who I was friends with and who were willing to show me things I asked, explain things and give opinions about other stuff going on in my life. I did a lot of co-topping with them, where they would walk me through hands-on and explain what they were doing, safety precautions, etc. We often attended classes together. I didn't feel I needed a lot of D/s advice from them, it was mostly S/M and bondage. Since I'm a switch, sometimes I did bottoming as well, particularly if it was "Hey, such-and-such sounds really intriguing, is that something you could help me explore?" They didn't try to have sex with me or keep me from being involved with anyone else. We didn't use "mentor" as a title, but I think it would be reasonable to, in that situation.

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RE: The concept of mentoring - 8/4/2009 10:11:36 PM   
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In the past, I've had a couple of people who were informal mentors/tutors/playpartners who I was friends with and who were willing to show me things I asked, explain things and give opinions about other stuff going on in my life. I did a lot of co-topping with them, where they would walk me through hands-on and explain what they were doing, safety precautions, etc. We often attended classes together. I didn't feel I needed a lot of D/s advice from them, it was mostly S/M and bondage. Since I'm a switch, sometimes I did bottoming as well, particularly if it was "Hey, such-and-such sounds really intriguing, is that something you could help me explore?" They didn't try to have sex with me or keep me from being involved with anyone else. We didn't use "mentor" as a title, but I think it would be reasonable to, in that situation.


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RE: The concept of mentoring - 8/5/2009 12:38:34 AM   
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I don't see that as a "mentor"... I see that as a BUSINESS!!!
 
The above aside, my personal opinion of the whole "Mentor" thing is that it's probably one of the biggest SCAMS out there. In short, they are not approaching you with the intent to be YOUR dominant, but only to "Mentor" and "Train" you -- but in doing so, will spank you, use you, have you provide service to them, and of course... have sex with them. Well why not? Being the "newbie" that you are, certainly only a MENTOR can teach you how to properly kneel, clean their house, and give world class head, right? WRONG!!! [...]

And be quite certain that 99.9% of the alleged "Mentor" stuff is simply nothing more than another avenue for someone to get into your pants. So let's call it what it really is, shall we? At best, a friend... at worst, a "Fuck Buddy", as said alleged "Mentor" is often engaging in the same activities that a dominant would. In short, 99.9% of the "Mentor" stuff is complete and total bullshit!!!


 
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And be quite certain that 99.9% of the alleged "Mentor" stuff is simply nothing more than another avenue for someone to get into your pants. So let's call it what it really is, shall we? At best, a friend... at worst, a "Fuck Buddy", as said alleged "Mentor" is often engaging in the same activities that a dominant would. In short, 99.9% of the "Mentor" stuff is complete and total bullshit!!!


I whole heartedly agree with your viewpoint

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RE: The concept of mentoring - 8/5/2009 12:45:01 AM   
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A Scene Mentor can help a newbie on house rules and what predator not to be with.

In response to a earlier response, house rules are posted, but when a group rents the club, they can have their own house rules. My Slave told me I was breaking a play rule on Black Rose Night, lol.

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RE: The concept of mentoring - 8/5/2009 5:22:38 AM   
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I suppose I should thank my lucky stars.  My mentor has been a dear friend for almost 20 years.  We were friends first.  In fact, he was the one that kept trying to drag me kicking and screaming out of my Domme closet.   He kept saying "You've been dominating men as long as I've known you!   Just pick up the flogger and admit that you enjoy inflicting pain."  My life has been so much better since I started listening to him.

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RE: The concept of mentoring - 8/5/2009 9:19:36 AM   
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I know what I know and slant it to suit me, if someone comes to me and asks for advice I have no problem giving them my perspective but is that really mentoring? Isn't that just voicing an opinion? What about doing that on an extended basis, sharing ideas and information isn't that friendship?


Why can't it be both?  A mentor is a trusted guide, someone you (general) would turn to for advice or to act as a sounding board while you process things.  A mentor can introduce you to other contacts in the local scene or be your escort to your first munch so you don't have to go alone.  A mentor can do anything a friend would do, but you might not spend time with a mentor outside a very specific range of activities. 
 
Consider the business world where a mentor helps you with your business dealings, helps you network, and offers advice on how to handle situations that come up -- but you might not go camping with a business mentor.  Is it a friendship?  In some ways, yes, in others, no.  Is a business mentor any less valuable because you're not really "friends" with that person?  I don't think so. 
 
It just depends on who you are and what you need.  Not everyone has need of a mentor or wants one.  It's an individual choice, just like everything else.

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I have spoke to many people who say that they 'teach' people on both sides of the kneel, teach them what? Sure you can teach skills but how can you ever teach someone how to be what feels right for them? How can you tell them what works?


Part of being a helper -- whether it's a teacher, therapist, or mentor -- is providing an empowered space (as opposed to a "safe" space) where you can figure out what works for you.  It's not about telling you what to do; it's about helping you ask the right questions so you can find the best answers.

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RE: The concept of mentoring - 8/5/2009 12:54:14 PM   
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A Scene Mentor can help a newbie on house rules...



That's not a "Mentor", that's just someone sayin' "Hey... these are the rules here."

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...and what predator not to be with.



Excuse me... but why would the "house" allow a known "predator" to participate?  They probably wouldn't, so the "preditor" label is more than likely someone's OPINION.  The protectee, for lack of better word, may not think so.  One bottom's "preditor" may be another bottom's Top... but that's for said bottom to decide, not some alleged "Mentor" who may see (for example) all Sadists (because maybe said "Mentor" is of the Daddy Dom ilk) as a "preditor".



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RE: The concept of mentoring - 8/5/2009 1:01:30 PM   
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I have spoke to many people who say that they 'teach' people on both sides of the kneel, teach them what? Sure you can teach skills but how can you ever teach someone how to be what feels right for them? How can you tell them what works?



You can't give someone a guarantee that you can teach them 'the way of life'. You can however furnish them with a different perspective which may or might not be useful to them and open a few doors.

We're into the old can you change someone argument.

Here's a question for you: have you ever read a book and been blown away by what to you is a radical way of thinking and this radical way of thinking has made a huge impression on you? If so - then you'll understand that your view of the world/yourself/other people is open to change.

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RE: The concept of mentoring - 8/5/2009 2:50:34 PM   
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In my view:
teaching is conveying some knowledge or skill
mentoring includes some supervisory role, a "mentor" implies some authority
  it also usually means a longer term or broader role than teaching a specific skill, but can still be a limited context.  I.e
friend implies a more bilateral situation where we enjoy each others company (I don't want to be "friends" with someone who doesnt like me), and also implies the broadest context.  If I'm going to label someone a friend, I mean that I'm going to value their company and opinion with  things that I may not yet identify, whereas a teacher or mentor I'm going to associate with fairly specific areas.

A friend can teach, or mentor.  Certainly a mentor is expected to provide some teaching. 

The concept of implying some authority/supervisory role make mentor the most open for abuse.  On the other hand there are peoples who's experience and opinions I may value in a certain area and may ask them for advise, but I'm not comfortable enough to label them as friends.  So I'll call them mentors to remind myself that while I've sought someone's experience and skills, I still reserve the right to filter that through my own judgment and perceptions.  And any mentor that can't withstand that scrutiny isn't who I want as a mentor.

Note that I intentionally didn't confine that to the context of bdsm or any other area.



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RE: The concept of mentoring - 8/5/2009 7:36:24 PM   
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The concept of implying some authority/supervisory role make mentor the most open for abuse.

Unless, of course, someone remembers that the moment parts start going in other parts, it's not a mentor/mentee relationship anymore.

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RE: The concept of mentoring - 8/6/2009 9:42:34 AM   
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The concept of implying some authority/supervisory role make mentor the most open for abuse.


I wanted to comment briefly on this statement. I am a little confused about why, if a person -is- in somewhat of an authority/supervisory role, stating such should leave a person open for abuse.

I have to say that this community is more sensitive to things like this than any other community I participate in. I have -no- issue telling people at my job that my mentor is guiding me through a shift in my job description to help me achieve my business goals. Neither I nor my mentor get any flack when I say that my -writing mentor- is helping me refine my literary expression to make my writing more accessible to my sociological SF audience. So why is it that people in the BDSM community get all up in arms about both the -concept- of mentorship and the idea that someone either IS a mentor or desires one? Are our egos that fragile and are we that incapable of admitting that we might benefit from someone else's more in-depth experience in a given area? Surely, we're not that insecure, are we?

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RE: The concept of mentoring - 8/6/2009 10:08:03 AM   
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I wanted to comment briefly on this statement. I am a little confused about why, if a person -is- in somewhat of an authority/supervisory role, stating such should leave a person open for abuse.
Well, the priest/alter-boy dynamic would be an obvious example.

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Are our egos that fragile and are we that incapable of admitting that we might benefit from someone else's more in-depth experience in a given area?
I didn't look at each and every reply but most, like the one you cited, used "most open" not always does.

Unlike a business, professional, or even teacher/student dynamic there is no meaningful place to report abuse in this loosely defined "community". Were your literary mentor suggest you sleep with him to get your book published, you'd have legal recourse. Convinced by a self labeled "community" mentor that to be a 'submissive' you have to be "broken in" by submitting a night of walking the streets of LA and bringing him/her back $1000. - where do you go?

Where you see insecurity, and fragile egos, I see pragmatism. Many/most/some (take you pick) do use the guise of mentor-ship for a personal agenda.

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RE: The concept of mentoring - 8/6/2009 10:20:22 AM   
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Many/most/some (take you pick) do use the guise of mentor-ship for a personal agenda.


Oh how true this is.

There was a VERY well known person in the scene, he was talked about a LOT and he had written a few books and he had many girls who were, Under his mentorship. I had to contact this person and get to know him before a girl would consider getting more involved with me. Him Being such a Well known name she felt he knew what she should be looking for.

He Used this "Mentorship" as a way to use the girls for Demo's at his shows and since he was so busy I had to sign up for one of his workshops (75.00 for the first workshop and then $125.00 for the second) so that we could talk about my interest in this girl. She was calling me daily at this point and there was a genuine interest on both of our parts so I went to the workshops. In his Defense he DID ask the pertenent questions about what my desires were and if I was aware of her medical conditions and if I had any experience dealing with such things. He did ask if there were any scene references he could check and I gave them and he did check them. In the end he suggested that she find someone with more physical play experience and she took his advice and closed off conversation with me.

So Basically I paid $200.00 to learn about Orgasm Control and Leather Care and to basically be told that she needed someone who had swung a whip more offten.

I sometimes wonder how many Doms were not good enough for this girl and how many seats were filled at his workshops as a result of her needing someone with more experience.

I often find mentorship (When the term is Bastardized) to be a way of getting all the reward with none of the responsibility. He got to use her in demos, play with her, and control who she got involved with and yet he was adamant that he was NOT her Master just someone helping her to get to the right place in life with someone who will get her to where she wants to be.

This is why I am not a Fan of Mentoring.

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RE: The concept of mentoring - 8/6/2009 10:34:16 AM   
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Were your literary mentor suggest you sleep with him to get your book published, you'd have legal recourse. Convinced by a self labeled "community" mentor that to be a 'submissive' you have to be "broken in" by submitting a night of walking the streets of LA and bringing him/her back $1000. - where do you go?

Where you see insecurity, and fragile egos, I see pragmatism. Many/most/some (take you pick) do use the guise of mentor-ship for a personal agenda.


And that is true in -any- community, Merc. No, it's highly unlikely that the author who is mentoring me in my writing would ask me to sleep with her to get my book published, but then again, that isn't something I'd go to a -publisher- for. I might go to a publisher for advice if I wanted to open a publishing company, but to find out how to get a book that sells, you go to an -author- who has been able to sell hir stuff... and that, right there, sets aside the issue of abuse. See, an author has no reason to set up that abuse angle, because the author gets nothing from the relationship except the satisfaction or some financial remuneration. If I get published, my mentor gets to claim some of the credit (rightfully), but she has no vested interest in my work, and I won't be depending on her for a job.

In the same way, in the professional world, I don't go to someone who would be -hiring- me for mentorship. I go to someone who does what I do and is successful at it. My mentor can't use "If you sleep with me, I'll hire you" as a threat/enticement, because he isn't in that kind of relationship to me. Yes, he has some authority/supervisory role towards me, because I've set myself up to have him look over what I'm doing and let me know where I'm off-track -- but he isn't in my chain of command, nor is he someone to whom I might someday answer... we're close enough in roles that he can help me make the transition, but too close to ever be in a superior/subordinate position to one another, which is why mentorship -works-.

This is why I've said, over and over again, that the biggest problem that I see with the whole issue of BDSM "mentorship" is that mentor and mentee should be from the -SAME- side of the kneel. That way, though there is still that supervisory aspect of assuring that everything is moving smoothly towards the mentee's goals, there is limited risk of abuse like you've mentioned. A submissive individual would get no benefit from saying "if you want to be a good submissive, you'll let me screw you, because how can you know if you can be dominated unless you let me screw you (or 'unless you obey me and go out and streetwalk to earn me money', or whatever).

It sounds to me like the problem isn't -mentorship-, per se, but using mentorship as an excuse to justify inappropriate behaviors or just not knowning what mentorship IS and how it works well enough to be able to say "Excuse me, but that -isn't- how mentorship operates." In a functional mentorship situation, the scope of the relationship itself, and the goals of that relationship (including the inculcated safeguards such as the mentor not being in a position to get anything aside from satisfaction or a designated and agreed-upon fee for providing hir resources) should be sufficient to minimize, if not completely prevent, abuse (which is how it works in just about every other community).

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RE: The concept of mentoring - 8/6/2009 10:36:51 AM   
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I often find mentorship (When the term is Bastardized) to be a way of getting all the reward with none of the responsibility. He got to use her in demos, play with her, and control who she got involved with and yet he was adamant that he was NOT her Master just someone helping her to get to the right place in life with someone who will get her to where she wants to be.

This is why I am not a Fan of Mentoring.


The thing is, Steel, to me this is the consummate "throwing the baby out with the bathwater". It seems to me that it would be -more- valuable to correct the problems with mentorship within the community than to completely abandon what has proven, in every other walk of life, to be a very successful and progressive manner of personal improvement in a given area.

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RE: The concept of mentoring - 8/6/2009 10:47:45 AM   
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I often find mentorship (When the term is Bastardized) to be a way of getting all the reward with none of the responsibility. He got to use her in demos, play with her, and control who she got involved with and yet he was adamant that he was NOT her Master just someone helping her to get to the right place in life with someone who will get her to where she wants to be.

This is why I am not a Fan of Mentoring.


The thing is, Steel, to me this is the consummate "throwing the baby out with the bathwater". It seems to me that it would be -more- valuable to correct the problems with mentorship within the community than to completely abandon what has proven, in every other walk of life, to be a very successful and progressive manner of personal improvement in a given area.

Dame Calla



Well and here again I am on the fence, the man who I called my Pedant for all normal purposes was a Mentor. He helped me find my own way in the lifestyle by presenting me with the oportunity to learn. He Taught me things he sent me to other people to learn from and he helped me to process those things that I would learn from and come back with.

So someone could easily ask me how I am not a fan of the mentor when I myself had one.

It's just had to guage for every good one that I find I find 30 bad ones and so if my experience is the exception and not the rule I would say that I am against the process out of the damage that it is more likely to accomplish than the good.

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RE: The concept of mentoring - 8/6/2009 11:22:18 AM   
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It seems to me that it would be -more- valuable to correct the problems with mentor-ship within the community

Were that possible it would be a good idea. Unlike the business world there are very few outlets to get such information. This site is not unique in not allowing any such critique of a specific mentor or mentoring program. It would allow advertisement of the $200 program that Steel reviewed previously, but should he have been specific it would have been considered "flaming". Besides - its only his perspective and opinion.

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In a functional mentor-ship situation, the scope of the relationship itself, and the goals of that relationship (including the inculcated safeguards such as the mentor not being in a position to get anything aside from satisfaction or a designated and agreed-upon fee for providing hir resources) should be sufficient to minimize, if not completely prevent, abuse (which is how it works in just about every other community).
The "functional" qualifier is at the core of the issue. You can define that goal in a pragmatic business or educational environment. The functionality in this community is a moving target contingent on the partners. Agreeing to your argument provides more grounds for the argument against mentor-ship because even if the mentor does come from the "same side of the kneel" I know of no two dynamics who even agree on the definition of the terms employed. I don't even know any two individuals who process the same sensation in the exact same way. So what can be gained or learned? Including skills into the equation and you may have an argument. I've taken in many workshops, personal and group, free and charged, for activities like flogging; should I consider myself mentored or taught?

What mentoring is useful to know what it's like to be on the receiving end of those toys? I don't believe that processing of a painful stimuli can be mentored. I'm also of the opinion that a single tail in the hands of a person you are sharing an intimacy feels, and is processed, much differently than the same single tail used at exactly the same intensity by someone were that intimacy isn't shared. Unlike a business or teaching environment where an emotional and mental intercourse doesn't impact the result. Most business and/or teaching mentor-ship is geared to individual success even if it ultimately benefits the collective corporation. By definition a submissive or dominant requires a compatible counterpart for evaluating any successful mentoring. Although "success" can also be defined as coming through the mentoring experience never wanting to participant in the "community" again.

Functionality is relevant. The most relevant and universal mentoring that this community can provide is a reference point for a person to realize that they, their fantasies and desires, are not unique or "perverted". The scale and frequency of intensity requires only a compatible partner, not a mentor. There is a paddle for every ass. Once so mentored, spend less time vetting mentors and more time exposing yourself to opportunities for R/L interaction. Make friends, and should anyone represent they want to be your 'mentor' be sure of their agenda and make sure you can afford it.

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RE: The concept of mentoring - 8/6/2009 11:36:14 AM   
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What mentoring is useful to know what it's like to be on the receiving end of those toys? I don't believe that processing of a painful stimuli can be mentored. I'm also of the opinion that a single tail in the hands of a person you are sharing an intimacy feels, and is processed, much differently than the same single tail used at exactly the same intensity by someone were that intimacy isn't shared. Unlike a business or teaching environment where an emotional and mental intercourse doesn't impact the result. Most business and/or teaching mentor-ship is geared to individual success even if it ultimately benefits the collective corporation. By definition a submissive or dominant requires a compatible counterpart for evaluating any successful mentoring. Although "success" can also be defined as coming through the mentoring experience never wanting to participant in the "community" again.


You know, Merc, you make some really valid arguments, and from this, I think I figured out where the fundamental disconnect is. See, in the way that I live, mentorship -can- provide valuable insights. Our household has a number of 'mentorable' activities revolving around protocol, service, and ritual. Those stand up to mentorship very, very well. Like you said, though, more emotionally and physically responsive dynamics wouldn't have much that they could 'transfer' in a mentorship situation that would be of any value.

I think it is true (and has always been true in any area of life) that mentorship is only valuable for specific goal-sets that can be externally guided. If its an internal thing (you can't -give- someone motivation), no amount of mentorship will do a darned thing. As an example, I'm shifting tracks at work. I'm doing so because my goals have shifted. I have a mentor to help with the shift, because there are very practical aspects that I might miss if I didn't have a guide who'd already walked down that road... however, I'm -not- mentoring with someone geared to a MHA perspective, because I have no interest in becoming a health-administration manager and I don't have a Masters in Health Administration and don't -want- one, and no matter how much someone mentored me, I just wouldn't be interested. So for mentorship to function, it has to have
  1. an individual who sees a desire/need hirself to seek out a mentor for a specific purpose and in a clearly defined area... which is why I'm really not so keen on people who call themselves "life coaches"... way too vague
  2. specific measurable and attainable goals, set by the mentee;
  3. the basic skills, attitude, and motivation on the part of the mentee to be able to at least -start- the process and know what the mentor is talking about; and
  4. a mentor within the same framework that one is moving towards who has successfully navigated that journey before.
Without all those pieces in place, mentorship really -is- just a waste of everyone's time.

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