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TreasureKY -> RE: "Leave My Family Out Of It (Except When I Want To Use Them)" (8/9/2009 6:10:13 PM)
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ORIGINAL: Loki45
She believes it despite medical and societal evidence to the contrary.
... she believes in it despite the evidence to the contrary. She believes it despite the evidence in her own house that it doesn't work. I wonder if her daughter would be knocked up if she'd taken the time to explain condoms to her.
...She's not just 'for abstinence,' she's for teaching it over and instead of anything else. And she has an example in her own home about why that doesn't work. You can 'suggest' abstinence and you can harp on it all you like, but if you don't teach kids the 'other ways' of preventing pregnancy when they have sex.....they won't be preventing pregnancy......they'll just be having sex.
Her daughter is a living example of why her approach to sex education doesn't work. She (presumably) taught and preached only abstinence in her home. So when her daughter made the choice to have sex anyway (as teens often do) she didn't know about how to prevent pregnancy and viola....pregnant.
That, to me, is irrefutable proof that her way doesn't work. And that just makes her look more and more stupid.
*sighs* God I hate these old arguments popping up over and over and over.
Loki, if you are going to go about telling people just exactly what Palin believes, then I suggest you educate yourself a bit better. Otherwise, you'll just be keeping her in good company (see your last sentence above).
Because it appears that you've only been relying on liberal talking points for your news and information, I'll see if I can't lay it all out for you...
During her 2006 gubernatorial run, Palin completed a candidate questionnaire that asked, would she support funding for abstinence-until-marriage programs instead of "explicit sex-education programs, school-based clinics and the distribution of contraceptives in schools?"
Palin wrote, "Yes, the explicit sex-ed programs will not find my support."
Note, that she did NOT say that she is against school-based clinics or the distribution of contraceptives in school. She specified that she would not support explicit sex-ed programs.
So... what is an explicit sex-ed program?
In 1991, SIECUS (Sexuality Information and Education Council of the United States) convened the National Guidelines Task Force, bringing together experts in the fields of adolescent development, sexuality, and education. The task force identified six key concept areas that should be part of any comprehensive sexuality education program: human development, relationships, personal skills, sexual behavior, sexual health, and society and culture. The Task Force published the Guidelines for Comprehensive Sexuality Education: K–12, a framework designed to help educators and communities create new programs and evaluate existing curricula. Now in its third edition, the Guidelines provide age-appropriate messages about 39 topics related to sexuality for school-age young people.
You can download a .pdf version of those guidelines here.
While much of those guidelines would be considered reasonable information for children to learn before reaching adulthood, there are many people who would question whether it is a public school's job to introduce some of those subjects. You also run into a situation where some of the information comes into conflict with the personal religious beliefs of individual families. Beyond that, while a good many parents approve of their children being taught about using condoms and contraceptives to avoid pregnancy and disease, some do not want them being taught about masturbation, sexual fantasies and homosexuality in a public school setting. See Explicit Sex Education is Opposed by Most Parents in Survey.
During a KTOO radio debate held in August of 2006, Palin was asked if "explicit" programs include those that discuss condoms.
In a recent survey you said that you would support abstinence-until-marriage education but that you would not support explicit sex-ed programs. What are explicit sex-ed programs, and does that include talking about condoms in school? Palin's answer:
No, I don't think that it includes something that is relatively benign. Explicit means explicit. No, I am pro-contraception, and I think kids who may not hear about it at home should hear about it in other avenues. So I'm not anti-contraception. But yeah, abstinence is another alternative that should be discussed with kids. I don't have a problem with that. That doesn't scare me, so it's something that I would support also.
To help you understand her reply, let me first define a few of the terms she used:
Benign - not dangerous, beneficial.
Pro-contraception - in favor of contraception
Contraception - birth control by the use of devices, methods or drugs
Anti-contraception - opposed to contraception
Alternative - option, choice
Now let's look at her response again, bit by bit.
"No, I don't think that it includes something that is relatively benign." - In response to whether Palin's idea of "explicit" programs include those that discuss condoms. Remember that she had already said that she did not support explicit programs. In other words, she is saying, "No, the explicit programs that I do not support aren't ones that discuss condoms. Condoms are relatively benign." See definition of "benign" above if you still have problems understanding.
"Explicit means explicit." - Well... this particular comment wasn't very explicit, but you should now know the background of what an explicit sex-education program can entail.
"No, I am pro-contraception" - She's saying she is for the use of contraceptives.
"and I think kids who may not hear about it at home should hear about it in other avenues." - She's saying that children should have other places (ie, school) where they can learn about contraceptives.
"So I'm not anti-contraception." - Again, she's saying she is not opposed to contraceptives.
"But yeah, abstinence is another alternative that should be discussed with kids. I don't have a problem with that. That doesn't scare me, so it's something that I would support also." - Sounds like she considers abstinence to be a viable method of contraception and doesn't have any problem with it being covered as an option in a sex-education program.
So... just where is it that you believe she supports abstinence only?
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