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RE: Another old man and his shotgun... - 8/19/2009 10:46:54 AM

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Have any of you read the article...

...The police said he bought it after a robbery 30 years ago....

...indicating that he did not have a permit for the shotgun....

So what do we have here, police who dont give a shit, old fart with shotgun that he got 30 years ago, didnt bother to register it...

I must have missed the part of the article that said he did not have a license for the shotgun. Where did it say that?

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and the robber who used the pistol to hit employee in the head. Since we all know that loaded gun is best used to smack someone on the head, i think that old fart reacted irrationally and that tragedy could be avoided in future, if 72 year old person with senile dementia will not pretend to be God and take justice in his hand.

Tragedy was avoided. The innocent victim was unhurt, and only the criminals who threatened his life suffered any harm. I call that "avoiding tragedy."

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RE: Another old man and his shotgun... - 8/19/2009 3:21:35 PM

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Tragedy was avoided. The innocent victim was unhurt, and only the criminals who threatened his life suffered any harm. I call that "avoiding tragedy."

Hey Damned Panda, i know bunch of people who threaten my life, since i am "freak of nature" who deserve to die, and will mostlikely burn in hell. Should i go on rampage killing them just to "avoid tragedy" of poor me, the innocent victim of sexual hate crime? Fuck if i know if they are going to actually kill me or no, but i am buying Uzi.

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RE: Another old man and his shotgun... - 8/19/2009 3:53:47 PM

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Elegant CD I am in favour of severe gun restriction but you are being deeply unfair here. This man was well within his rights to kill these people and I believe he was completely justified in his actions. If you are being attacked then you have the right to defend yourself so yes you could kill your attackers elegant. However if you mean there are people who disagree with your sexuality then as galling as that is you have to put up with it. Certainly killing them is not a viable option.

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RE: Another old man and his shotgun... - 8/19/2009 8:14:37 PM

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Well within his rights to kill those people? I dint know one has a right to kill someone.

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RE: Another old man and his shotgun... - 8/19/2009 8:39:35 PM

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Hey Damned Panda, i know bunch of people who threaten my life, since i am "freak of nature" who deserve to die, and will mostlikely burn in hell. Should i go on rampage killing them just to "avoid tragedy" of poor me, the innocent victim of sexual hate crime? Fuck if i know if they are going to actually kill me or no, but i am buying Uzi.

I'm not Panda, but it's a pretty general question. I'll return it with a question.

Are these people who are threatening your life doing so with a weapon designed to kill you? Is it pointed in your direction? Is it being pointed at the people you employ?

Don't worry about answering because I highly doubt that was the case. Where you are talking about being aggressive, the business owner in the article was acting in a defensive manner. Defending his property from theft and protecting his employees.

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Well within his rights to kill those people? I dint know one has a right to kill someone.

Let Me help you with this one, too. You absolutely have the right to kill another in self defense. Believe it or not, there are even laws that cover doing so. In Colorado, for example, they have what is known as the "Make My Day" law that gives people the right to shoot any intruder in their home.

Years ago, there was an elderly woman in Colorado Springs who shot and killed an intruder that had entered her home. She was a hero in all of the papers. It turns out that the scum bag she had killed had been the culprit the police had been looking for in suspicion of raping several elderly woman in their own homes. They started calling her "The Gunslinging Granny" and she was a hero.

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RE: Another old man and his shotgun... - 8/19/2009 9:14:56 PM

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Playing dumb, eh? What makes you think a person doesn't?

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RE: Another old man and his shotgun... - 8/19/2009 11:57:54 PM

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Playing dumb, eh? What makes you think a person doesn't?

I'm not sure there's any playing involved.

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RE: Another old man and his shotgun... - 8/20/2009 12:13:43 AM

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Well within his rights to kill those people? I dint know one has a right to kill someone.

It's a valid moral question (one to which i suspect we might arrive at different answers), but in legal terms, yes - under certain circumstances, one absolutely has the right to kill. And it sounds as though this was one of those cases.

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RE: Another old man and his shotgun... - 8/20/2009 1:01:09 AM

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I'll add to this Panda, relating to the Queensland Criminal Code with refers to such killings as "Legal Homicide" No leaving out the incidents where a Security or Police Officer shoots and kills a villain to save a life, there is another senario type covering ordinary every day people who may take the lifer of someone who is threatening the lives of the person involved, or threatening the lives of wives, sisters parents, grand parents, aunties and uncles, cousins and nephews or children all being either in the care of the person or in their company. A weaponm doesn't actually have to be procuces but the person conserned needs to have a belief that the villain meant to carry out the threat and has the means to do so. Added to this the person conserned, must react instabitly and must be in physical reach so that for exasmple a strike can be made without moving toward the person making the threats. If you have to move into the contact zone or pick up a weapon of any side you have not committed justifiable homicide unless the offender is actually threatening with a weapon.

A real life example refers to a security course I had to do to me licenced as a security offiver & instructer. The lecturer made the mistake in using me to demonstrate this law by leaning over me and telling me graphically what he was going to do to the arse of my yoyung son with a ber bottle. I reacted (even though I knew this was a demonstration, but my training took over) by standing and using a double handed clasp on his kneck droped to my knees driving his jaw into the table. He ended up with a smashed jaw and had me ready to deliver a killing strike to his neck before I realised what had happened. As an after note: I wasn't either tossed out of the course or sued but was congratulated by the company and ended uop dux of the class.. The chap whose jaw I broke and I are good friends and he never used that demonstration again. I have instructed many people as part of self defence courses, that if they do serious dammang to another in the degfense of their life, all they need to say and keep repeating,: "I was in fear of my life" Our Police are well versed in this and if convinced that the villain was at fault they oft assist the victim in getting through any criminal cases and the coroner's court.

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RE: Another old man and his shotgun... - 8/20/2009 3:01:46 AM

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Well within his rights to kill those people? I dint know one has a right to kill someone.

When the people in question are in the process of committing armed robbery? Are you serious? In case you are, the answer is "hell yes".

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i think that old fart reacted irrationally and that tragedy could be avoided in future, if 72 year old person with senile dementia will not pretend to be God and take justice in his hand.

It's pathetic. You are making unfounded assumptions based on the age of the shopkeeper, and it disgusts me. As Panda said, tragedy WAS avoided, thanks to the shopkeeper. He and his employees made it out alive.

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