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RE: Lockerbie bomber is let out to die at home - 8/20/2009 11:37:35 PM   
EyemKnotHear


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Living out the rest of his life in excruciating pain from his cancer with no relief from meds would be karma's answer.

damn that karma for not showing compassion

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RE: Lockerbie bomber is let out to die at home - 8/20/2009 11:52:30 PM   
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If his incarceration till death would have deterred further attacks again I would have thought differently.

You keep making this point, Starbuck, but you aren't seeing the other side. While keeping him incarcerated may well not have deterred further attacks, has it occurred to you that letting him go home may very well inspire new ones? As has been said, he came home to a hero's welcome. A rallying point that is physically there is much more effective, IMO, and his release is likely to be seen as a divine message (or used as such by those with their own agenda). When he dies, do you really think that his death won't be used to inflame the passions of those who plan and execute these kinds of attacks?

My point is, the compassion that you support so staunchly may well be seen as weakness in the minds of those fundamentalists with a terrorist bent.


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RE: Lockerbie bomber is let out to die at home - 8/21/2009 12:00:03 AM   
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RE: Lockerbie bomber is let out to die at home - 8/21/2009 12:49:00 AM   
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Standing ovation here.


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He went home to a hero's welcome. Do you really think they got the 'point'? There were so many young people on that plane who never got a chance. Children who will never be born by them. Grandchildren. Generations wiped out. I'm stunned by your dismissal of all those lives.. all that possibility simply to prove a point.



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RE: Lockerbie bomber is let out to die at home - 8/21/2009 1:52:47 AM   
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blessed are the merciful for they shall receive mercy.

In Christian heaven, maybe. Not down here when dealing with terrorists.


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RE: Lockerbie bomber is let out to die at home - 8/21/2009 1:57:30 AM   
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ORIGINAL: WyldHrt

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ORIGINAL: rikigrl
I envy you and your country for your civility (for example, though everybody was piling on you never once used a profanity).

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ORIGINAL: Starbuck09
[snip]You utter swineflu bita.[/snip]
[snip]so you're no different to this prick you fucking animal.

Yeah, no profanity there



ohhhhhh geeeeeze, i missed a word, you are right and i am wrong

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RE: Lockerbie bomber is let out to die at home - 8/21/2009 2:27:37 AM   
WyldHrt


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Status: offline 		Actually, most come here looking for discussion. As regards politics and religion, things are quite likely to get messy due to strongly held beliefs on both sides. That said, I'd wager that even when our disagreements get heated, opposing viewpoints have value and make us think.

As for the other- call me picky. Praising someone for restraint they have not shown, and having such praise accepted without proper correction, just bugs.

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RE: Lockerbie bomber is let out to die at home - 8/21/2009 2:28:00 AM   
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RE: Lockerbie bomber is let out to die at home - 8/21/2009 3:14:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		Firsyly that's not fair Wyldheart I did'nt accept the praise I said I wasn't worthy of it even though it was very nice so I don't know why that ''bugged'' you. Secondly no I don't think thios will inspire more attacks if I did again i would support his continued incarceation. His release on compassionate grounds will be no more likely to inspire attacks then his death and subsequent martyrdom in prison.
If it is seen as weakess rather than compassion then sod them Wldheart such animanls and their opinions mean nothing to me. I don' care if not flogging women in public is seen as weakness or any other behaviour that is anaethma to their beliefs. I will not allow cowards ike this to change he values of the county I live in as that would allow them to win. Fuck them and the horse they rode in on.

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RE: Lockerbie bomber is let out to die at home - 8/21/2009 3:33:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		Perhaps he came home to a hero’s welcome for the same reason those two American journalists came home from North Korea with a hero’s welcome. That is perhaps the hero’s welcome was due to their perception he was innocent I doubt it was because they think killing people is heroic.

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RE: Lockerbie bomber is let out to die at home - 8/21/2009 3:35:30 AM   
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ORIGINAL: WyldHrt

Actually, most come here looking for discussion. As regards politics and religion, things are quite likely to get messy due to strongly held beliefs on both sides. That said, I'd wager that even when our disagreements get heated, opposing viewpoints have value and make us think.

As for the other- call me picky. Praising someone for restraint they have not shown, and having such praise accepted without proper correction, just bugs.


Going back through all of his posts to find one word (swineflu is not a profanity dear) is something more than "picky", but at least you were able to do your "gotcha" dance. And, from what I have read, those that oppose compassion go away thinking one thing "what an arse". This will be my last post on this thread so you can rip me all you like, you'll not get a response.

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RE: Lockerbie bomber is let out to die at home - 8/21/2009 3:44:36 AM   
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Perhaps he came home to a hero’s welcome for the same reason those two American journalists came home from North Korea with a hero’s welcome. That is perhaps the hero’s welcome was due to their perception he was innocent I doubt it was because they think killing people is heroic.


Good point.  I personally have no problem with his release even if it's 100% that he IS indeed guilty. 

If it was one of my family members on that plane, I wouldn't much care where or how this guy dies.  Fact is, he's going to be dead very soon, and then where would I continue to direct my rage, at his grave maybe? 

Sadly and very very unfortunately, what's done is done, and no amount of suffering of his part can ever change that.  The only "solace" that anyone can feel in his suffering is born of revenge which does nothing but rot the soul of the person feeling it.  No thanks. 

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RE: Lockerbie bomber is let out to die at home - 8/21/2009 4:16:07 AM   
housesub4you


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Status: offline 		I disagree, he gets to go home and die with his family and they get to say their final goodbyes, something nobody on that plane got the chance to do. 

I don't think he should have been released, if they wanted him to go home at some point, the judge could have sentenced him to prison with parole after a certain amount of years.  But he was sentenced to LIFE in prison.  That was the sentence, I wonder how many others in prison for life will now start court battles to get released and use this case as a reason.  So every person with a terminal disease should be released to die at home with their family.  I think this will come back to haunt the court system over there

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RE: Lockerbie bomber is let out to die at home - 8/21/2009 4:21:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		"So every person with a terminal disease should be released to die at home with their family.  I think this will come back to haunt the court system over there."

Yes, this is how compassionate release works, the basic idea that their family etc should get the chance to say goodbye not in a prison, IIRC it only applies if they have less than a certain amount of time to live, the theory being that it's not exactly 'easing up' on the prisoners punishment if they're gonna drop dead anyway pretty soon.

One of the great train robbers was released recently for similar reasons.

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RE: Lockerbie bomber is let out to die at home - 8/21/2009 4:21:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		He is not the first person sentenced to life in prison to recieve compassionate release to die at home house sub. He is not even the first this year.

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RE: Lockerbie bomber is let out to die at home - 8/21/2009 4:22:34 AM   
Starbuck09


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RE: Lockerbie bomber is let out to die at home - 8/21/2009 4:26:24 AM   
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I think this is just culture clash, hell, in the usa they'd probably have killed him...

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RE: Lockerbie bomber is let out to die at home - 8/21/2009 4:30:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: housesub4you
I disagree, he gets to go home and die with his family and they get to say their final goodbyes, something nobody on that plane got the chance to do.

So the punishment should also extend to his family?
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I don't think he should have been released, if they wanted him to go home at some point, the judge could have sentenced him to prison with parole after a certain amount of years. But he was sentenced to LIFE in prison. That was the sentence, I wonder how many others in prison for life will now start court battles to get released and use this case as a reason.

Life sentences are usually given out for political reasons in the UK and have more to do with the level of publicity and public outrage rather than being about a set punishment for a set crime. I say they are political because usually the home secretary will decide if and when someone should be released from a life sentence. People will commit the same crimes and some will be let out after twenty years whereas some will die in prison depending on how much publicity their crime got and how infamous they are.
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So every person with a terminal disease should be released to die at home with their family. I think this will come back to haunt the court system over there

I don't, I think it is an exceptional situation that doesn't often come about except for the cases of Ronnie Biggs and this man. Most people will already be given such compassion they just aren’t famous enough for anyone to know who they are.


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RE: Lockerbie bomber is let out to die at home - 8/21/2009 4:31:36 AM   
housesub4you


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Status: offline 		Then why sentence anyone to LIFE in prison, it should have been sentence of say 50 years with parole.

Look at the manson killer just released, she did everything the parole board asked her to do.  Yet when ever she went in front of the parole board, the main reason she was turned down for parole for so long was because of the crime.  Yet, that is not fair, the crime cannot be changed, after a court hearing the courts agreed they could not hold the crime against her in denying parole.  So she was paroled after doing everything asked of her.

That is way there is LIFE sentences and years of prison with a chance at parole

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RE: Lockerbie bomber is let out to die at home - 8/21/2009 4:34:56 AM   
housesub4you


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Status: offline 		Are you suggesting the crime committed did not affect the families of the people who died.  What about those people, what about the loss they have lived with. 

It's the old saying.."if you don't want to do the time, don't do the crime."

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