Collarspace Discussion Forums


Home  Login  Search 

RE: Code d' Odalisque


View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest
 
All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> General BDSM Discussion >> RE: Code d' Odalisque Page: <<   < prev  4 5 [6] 7 8   next >   >>
Login
Message << Older Topic   Newer Topic >>
RE: Code d' Odalisque - 8/22/2009 8:53:02 AM   
CarrieO


Posts: 2432
Joined: 1/27/2008
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Gentlemanjohn9

With all due respect I am not marketing anything. I am offering information. Why? I have already stated my interest:

Code d' Odalisque has been around for a while now. I think it offers another possibility in the broad spectrum of BDSM activities and so for this reason deserves to be better known...

I am quite surprised at the hostility here. Amazing.


OP...

This is a discussion board.  People post questions or ideas and then discuss them with others.  What you seem to be doing is continually posting bits from a site.  You haven't engaged in the conversation except to say you feel this form of slavery is appealing to you. 

This isn't hostility, but instead curiosity and opinions on why you chose to not really take part in a "discussion" you started.

_____________________________

"No matter what happens in the kitchen, never apologize"~Julia Child~


(in reply to Gentlemanjohn9)
Profile   Post #: 101
RE: Code d' Odalisque - 8/22/2009 9:00:34 AM   
Gentlemanjohn9


Posts: 46
Joined: 8/21/2009
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: AnimusRex

Gentleman John, you may be surprised at the hostility here, but I am not:

1. You come on here and instead of engaging in a back and forth discussion, instead insistantly point to an outside website that seems like an attempt to sell something.

2. Your lectures on your lifestyle have the overtones of airport preaching to win converts, or enlightening the rabble of the superiority of it; Nothing irritates people faster than having someone preaching at them.

3. Your lifestyle sounds like it fits perfectly your needs; as mine does for me.Would you be interested in a very long, very detailed description of the Traditional Patriarchal Poly Dominant Non-Pain Lifestyle?

I wouldn't.


Thanks for these observations. I concede my entries to the thread have been abrupt and I might seem to have come on like a man with something to sell.

You ask: Would you be interested in a very long, very detailed description of the Traditional Patriarchal Poly Dominant Non-Pain Lifestyle?

Answer = Well, no, but then I wouldn't visit a thread devoted to such material.

I'm happy to engage with discussion but in the first instance we need something to discuss, namely the written material describing this Code d' Odalisque. The website that had that material went down and so I have posted info here. No strings attached. Purely as a service to people who might relate to that style of thing. People who do not relate to it don't need to read the thread. (The written material isn't mine, by the way - and yes it is *promotional* in tone. I can't help that.) Also, I'm pressed for time. It is quicker to post these articles than to engage in discussion, but when time permits I'II spend more time discussing.

(in reply to AnimusRex)
Profile   Post #: 102
RE: Code d' Odalisque - 8/22/2009 9:00:56 AM   
AnimusRex


Posts: 2165
Joined: 5/13/2006
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


quote:

ORIGINAL: hlen5

quote:

ORIGINAL: DePubed

........the "young, slim, and beautiful" were in the harem,.......


Slim is a western construct of beauty. Curves have almost always been the ideal form for a woman. 


A few odalisques:
Jean-Leon Gerome
Francois Boucher
Ferdinand RoybetJean Auguste Dominique Ingres
Leopold de Moulignon
Lefebvre/Manet
Matisse/Delacroix
Various artists
...and a bunch more





Amen! The single best thing to come out of the Victorian pre-occupation with Turkish harems was the Orientalist school of painting;
Frederick Leighton's "Flaming June" has got to be one of the most beautiful paintings of a woman ever made.
flaming-june-

Slim isn't just a Western construct- it is a Late- 20th Century Western construct. Even as recently as the 1950's curvy women like Mae West and Marilyn Monroe were seen as the ideal; neither one could get a modeling contract today.


(in reply to Musicmystery)
Profile   Post #: 103
RE: Code d' Odalisque - 8/22/2009 9:08:13 AM   
GreedyTop


Posts: 52100
Joined: 5/2/2007
From: Savannah, GA
Status: offline 		Thats a gorgeous painting..... 

_____________________________

polysnortatious
Supreme Goddess of Snark
CHARTER MEMBER: Lance's Fag Hags!
Waiting for my madman in a Blue Box.

(in reply to AnimusRex)
Profile   Post #: 104
RE: Code d' Odalisque - 8/22/2009 9:10:36 AM   
CallaFirestormBW


Posts: 3651
Joined: 6/29/2008
Status: offline
quote:

It is just a new term


Actually, odalisque is a very -old- term, superseding "sugar daddy"... ancient, even... so this is more of a rather quaintly managed resurrection of an old concept.

DC

_____________________________

***
Said to me recently: "Look, I know you're the "voice of reason"... but dammit, I LIKE being unreasonable!!!!"

"Your mind is more interested in the challenge of becoming than the challenge of doing." Jon Benson, Bodybuilder/Trainer

(in reply to Missokyst)
Profile   Post #: 105
RE: Code d' Odalisque - 8/22/2009 9:10:53 AM   
Gentlemanjohn9


Posts: 46
Joined: 8/21/2009
Status: offline 		Indeed. I love the Orientalist depictions of harem life and odalisques. That is one of the reasons I took notice of Code d' Odalisque. Personally, I think its a great idea to base an adult "lifestyle" on a revival of this style of slavery which is very different to the usual idea of what a slave is. An odalisque is a distinct thing. Code d' Odalisque is based on the idea of reforming odalisque slavery along consensual lines. Its a fascinating idea.

(in reply to AnimusRex)
Profile   Post #: 106
RE: Code d' Odalisque - 8/22/2009 9:11:20 AM   
TurboJugend


Posts: 481
Joined: 6/15/2009
Status: offline 		odalisque is a turkish harem girl ..I thought

(in reply to CallaFirestormBW)
Profile   Post #: 107
RE: Code d' Odalisque - 8/22/2009 9:15:58 AM   
Gentlemanjohn9


Posts: 46
Joined: 8/21/2009
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: TurboJugend

odalisque is a turkish harem girl ..I thought


Yes. A Turkish harem girl. But she was elevated to that position. It meant she was preserved from kitchen duties and other labours that would make her beauty fade. She was kept for beauty and pleasure. I looked up the word once. It is something like an English corruption of a French borrowing of a Turkish word that is probably Persian. Or something like that.

(in reply to TurboJugend)
Profile   Post #: 108
RE: Code d' Odalisque - 8/22/2009 9:18:40 AM   
Gentlemanjohn9


Posts: 46
Joined: 8/21/2009
Status: offline 		There is a certain amount of Turkish influence in Code d' Odalisque. Such as many of the slave positions have Turkish names. And more generally I think the whole Code is based on the old Ottoman legal codes which of course once governed odalisque slavery (and other commerce).

(in reply to Gentlemanjohn9)
Profile   Post #: 109
RE: Code d' Odalisque - 8/22/2009 9:21:20 AM   
TurboJugend


Posts: 481
Joined: 6/15/2009
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Gentlemanjohn9

quote:

ORIGINAL: TurboJugend

odalisque is a turkish harem girl ..I thought


Yes. A Turkish harem girl. But she was elevated to that position. It meant she was preserved from kitchen duties and other labours that would make her beauty fade. She was kept for beauty and pleasure. I looked up the word once. It is something like an English corruption of a French borrowing of a Turkish word that is probably Persian. Or something like that.


yes indeed
and if she did well she could becoem the wife of her owner.

good ol'times

(in reply to Gentlemanjohn9)
Profile   Post #: 110
RE: Code d' Odalisque - 8/22/2009 9:25:12 AM   
Gentlemanjohn9


Posts: 46
Joined: 8/21/2009
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: TurboJugend

quote:

ORIGINAL: Gentlemanjohn9

quote:

ORIGINAL: TurboJugend

odalisque is a turkish harem girl ..I thought


Yes. A Turkish harem girl. But she was elevated to that position. It meant she was preserved from kitchen duties and other labours that would make her beauty fade. She was kept for beauty and pleasure. I looked up the word once. It is something like an English corruption of a French borrowing of a Turkish word that is probably Persian. Or something like that.


yes indeed
and if she did well she could becoem the wife of her owner.

good ol'times



Was her name Roxana? The odalisque who married the Sultan?

(in reply to TurboJugend)
Profile   Post #: 111
RE: Code d' Odalisque - 8/22/2009 9:25:22 AM   
CallaFirestormBW


Posts: 3651
Joined: 6/29/2008
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: TurboJugend

odalisque is a turkish harem girl ..I thought


The term 'odalisque' is actually an adaptation, but the concept goes further back than Turkey -- the harem servant goes back, historically, into the nomadic desert tribes, and is also seen among the Mongol tribes. It appears to have come to 'civilized' Eastern cultures, including Arabic and Oriental culture through these gateways, and was then further adapted (and re-named) for life in the Western world through the propagation among Portuguese, French and Spanish trade-barons. As culture progressed (a term I use somewhat loosely for me this morning), the mutation of the harem-slave and the odalisque evolved, interestingly enough, into aspects of the commercial practice of prostitution, particularly in the development of the Master of the House, aka, the pimp. (The progression and mutation of personal and sexual servitude in its many forms, from the chambermaid to the harem to the temple "virgin"... who was not actually a virgin, but whose sexual service was only used in the worship of the diety of choice... is a hobby of mine).

DC

< Message edited by CallaFirestormBW -- 8/22/2009 9:26:45 AM >

_____________________________

***
Said to me recently: "Look, I know you're the "voice of reason"... but dammit, I LIKE being unreasonable!!!!"

"Your mind is more interested in the challenge of becoming than the challenge of doing." Jon Benson, Bodybuilder/Trainer

(in reply to TurboJugend)
Profile   Post #: 112
RE: Code d' Odalisque - 8/22/2009 9:25:34 AM   
LillyoftheVally


Posts: 1826
Joined: 7/22/2009
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Gentlemanjohn9

Yes. A Turkish harem girl. But she was elevated to that position. It meant she was preserved from kitchen duties and other labours that would make her beauty fade. She was kept for beauty and pleasure. I looked up the word once. It is something like an English corruption of a French borrowing of a Turkish word that is probably Persian. Or something like that.


I am reminded of http://www.eng.fju.edu.tw/Literary_Criticism/feminism/gaze.htm

_____________________________

'My doctor says that I have a malformed public-duty gland and a natural deficiency in moral fibre, and that I am therefore excused from saving Universes.'

Nah I am not happy to see you either

(in reply to Gentlemanjohn9)
Profile   Post #: 113
RE: Code d' Odalisque - 8/22/2009 9:29:40 AM   
Gentlemanjohn9


Posts: 46
Joined: 8/21/2009
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: CallaFirestormBW

quote:

ORIGINAL: TurboJugend

odalisque is a turkish harem girl ..I thought


The term 'odalisque' is actually an adaptation, but the concept goes further back than Turkey -- the harem servant goes back, historically, into the nomadic desert tribes, and is also seen among the Mongol tribes. It appears to have come to 'civilized' Eastern cultures, including Arabic and Oriental culture through these gateways, and was then further adapted (and re-named) for life in the Western world through the propagation among Portuguese, French and Spanish trade-barons. As culture progressed (a term I use somewhat loosely for me this morning), the mutation of the harem-slave and the odalisque evolved, interestingly enough, into aspects of the commercial practice of prostitution, particularly in the development of the Master of the House, aka, the pimp. (The progression and mutation of personal and sexual servitude in its many forms, from the chambermaid to the harem to the temple "virgin"... who was not actually a virgin, but whose sexual service was only used in the worship of the diety of choice... is a hobby of mine).

DC


Thanks for that info DC. Nice hobby. Then perhaps you agree that the notion of reviving such a mode of slavery in a consensual modern form is an intriguing and enticing one?

(in reply to CallaFirestormBW)
Profile   Post #: 114
RE: Code d' Odalisque - 8/22/2009 9:33:01 AM   
TurboJugend


Posts: 481
Joined: 6/15/2009
Status: offline 		http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odalisque 
http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Odalisque 

and there is a restaurant in LA also with that name :P
and a whole series of paintings

< Message edited by TurboJugend -- 8/22/2009 9:34:08 AM >

(in reply to LillyoftheVally)
Profile   Post #: 115
RE: Code d' Odalisque - 8/22/2009 9:33:38 AM   
leadership527


Posts: 5026
Joined: 6/2/2008
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Gentlemanjohn9
We resist all forms of “scene” snobbishness in which full-timers sneer at and belittle part-time players. Every M/s couple can make the arrangements that suit them.
Just in case I didn't communicate clearly, I agree. There is no inherent benefit or advantage to any particular dynamic. I was merely trying to understand the appeal of the code as opposed to just a bottom. My speculation is that it's the elaborate ritual which is definitely appealing to some.


_____________________________

~Jeff

I didn't so much "enslave" Carol as I did "enlove" her. - Me
I want a joyous, loving, respectful relationship where the male is in charge and deserves to be. - DavanKael

(in reply to Gentlemanjohn9)
Profile   Post #: 116
RE: Code d' Odalisque - 8/22/2009 9:34:07 AM   
Musicmystery


Posts: 30259
Joined: 3/14/2005
Status: offline
quote:

I am reminded of http://www.eng.fju.edu.tw/Literary_Criticism/feminism/gaze.htm


Of all the bullshit to come out of academia, feminist literary criticism has got to be up there with the most shameful examples of abdicating any real scholarship in favor of cramming preconceptions into arbitrary constructs and being ridiculous enough to label the result critical thinking.

It is, to borrow Woody Allen's phrase, mental masturbation.



< Message edited by Musicmystery -- 8/22/2009 9:35:10 AM >

(in reply to LillyoftheVally)
Profile   Post #: 117
RE: Code d' Odalisque - 8/22/2009 9:36:23 AM   
GreedyTop


Posts: 52100
Joined: 5/2/2007
From: Savannah, GA
Status: offline 		careful, Tim,.... think of constituency 

_____________________________

polysnortatious
Supreme Goddess of Snark
CHARTER MEMBER: Lance's Fag Hags!
Waiting for my madman in a Blue Box.

(in reply to Musicmystery)
Profile   Post #: 118
RE: Code d' Odalisque - 8/22/2009 9:37:56 AM   
Gentlemanjohn9


Posts: 46
Joined: 8/21/2009
Status: offline 		And another point relevant to earlier posts in this thread. Code d' Odalisque makes no claims to be a historically accurate recreation of odalisque slavery. It is *loosely* based in historical models I should say. Instead - and this is something I like - it is based in *European fantasies* abnut odalisque slavery. I like it as a creative thing. I like the Victoriana theme and how it is both contemporary/hardcore and circa 1895. I'm attracted to it aesthetically because it is sort of "steampunk" if you know what I mean.

(in reply to Gentlemanjohn9)
Profile   Post #: 119
RE: Code d' Odalisque - 8/22/2009 9:39:37 AM   
Gentlemanjohn9


Posts: 46
Joined: 8/21/2009
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: leadership527

quote:

ORIGINAL: Gentlemanjohn9
We resist all forms of “scene” snobbishness in which full-timers sneer at and belittle part-time players. Every M/s couple can make the arrangements that suit them.
Just in case I didn't communicate clearly, I agree. There is no inherent benefit or advantage to any particular dynamic. I was merely trying to understand the appeal of the code as opposed to just a bottom. My speculation is that it's the elaborate ritual which is definitely appealing to some.



For me the tight protocol and the ritual is appealing. And also the aesthetic of it, or the eastern flavor.

(in reply to leadership527)
Profile   Post #: 120
Page:   <<   < prev  4 5 [6] 7 8   next >   >>
All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> General BDSM Discussion >> RE: Code d' Odalisque Page: <<   < prev  4 5 [6] 7 8   next >   >>
Jump to:





New Messages No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
 Post New Thread
 Reply to Message
 Post New Poll
 Submit Vote
 Delete My Own Post
 Delete My Own Thread
 Rate Posts




Collarchat.com © 2025
Terms of Service Privacy Policy Spam Policy

0.109