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RE: Code d' Odalisque - 8/22/2009 6:24:57 AM   
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Code D' Odalisque does not compare favorably with Gor, IMHO.

You are not helping to promote your cause, by continuing to cite similarities.



I'll bet all the terms in the glossary are copyrighted, and there's a series of books due out. So this is all a marketing ploy, right?

Good luck with that.



It appears our OP joined yesterday. Every post made has been to "market" his system of slavery.  While there may be some (few imo) points that are of interest, I find his constant offerings from the "site" as oppossed to actual replies to questions to be downright silly.  If this is nothing more than a shameless plug for a site, be honest and own up.


That site 404s on me like a mo-fo anyway, so I've been (mercifully) spared the details as yet.

It does seem like a load of hassle just to get a fuck Which is what I presumed was the OP's intent - it says much for my overly trusting nature that the idea they were plugging a book never even occurred to me.

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RE: Code d' Odalisque - 8/22/2009 6:29:11 AM   
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Perhaps it is because I am non english...but playing sounds to me as...."not as serious" as in "non lifestyle" or so.
Indeed hard to explain. But I am sure ..I don't "play" hwta I do with my sub/slaves..


Oh I'm in 100% agreement with you, old sport. But what other term would you use? As I say, I made a similar comment recently, as the term "play" is a bit shallow and foo-foo for my tastes, but trying to improve on it, for a term that could be universally applied to all BDSM activity, the way "play" is, caused me no end of tripping-up.

You find a better term and I'll support you 100% - we can blaze a trail of enlightenment ... until we're both ignored, about 48 hours into our campaign

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RE: Code d' Odalisque - 8/22/2009 6:30:49 AM   
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damn..just when I wanted a lazy weekend

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RE: Code d' Odalisque - 8/22/2009 6:36:08 AM   
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lol
damn..just when I wanted a lazy weekend


heh ... the thing is, I'm not exactly unskilled with the language, and it caused me paroxysms trying to better the wording [1] ... I spent about 2 hours on it, then gave up and had a nice glass of wine instead

[1] it's got to be a) short (coz people don't want to type a long word, the lazy sods), b) descriptive, c) non-scary (don't want to terrify newbies), d) accurate and e) it has to cover everything, from a tap on the arse of someone you're only going to "interact" with that evening and never see again, to a full-scale scene lasting days, with someone(s) you've known for years, and love dearly. Easy it ain't

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RE: Code d' Odalisque - 8/22/2009 6:41:53 AM   
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RE: Code d' Odalisque - 8/22/2009 6:42:27 AM   
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Perhaps it is because I am non english...but playing sounds to me as...."not as serious" as in "non lifestyle" or so.
Indeed hard to explain. But I am sure ..I don't "play" hwta I do with my sub/slaves..


The thing is, there are an awful lot of people for whom it -isn't- a "serious, life-long committment, interpersonal dynamic" kind of thing -- it really is just play... an opportunity to enjoy sensation (or lack thereof), roleplay, fantasies, and atypical activities just for fun (and sometimes profit).

The "lifestyle" version of WIITWD really came out of a place where the "play" aspect was the most common participation -- very few people thought about their 'lifestyle' as a 'way of life' -- it was something that happened on the weekends, at the leather club downtown, with others who went to work on Monday morning... and hit the club (and one another) on Friday night.

The transition of bringing these activities into more refined, more -way of life- oriented dynamics retained the language from their earlier iterations -- and allowed people to separate out the authority-exchange end of the dynamic from the -activities- end, so that people who only enjoyed the activities end, people who only enjoyed the dynamic end, and people who had some blending of the two could find one another.

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RE: Code d' Odalisque - 8/22/2009 6:45:57 AM   
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ORIGINAL: TurboJugend

re-enactment ( or how is it spelled) / simulation  


Yeah, tried that one. a) too long, b) doesn't cover a lot of scenes and c) sounds like you've got an artificial reality suite going

I'm not being neg, promise, but "play", while not being ideal, does cover all bases.

Plus, as a mate said when I told him what I'd been looking into, "nobody gives a fuck except you", which was fair comment

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RE: Code d' Odalisque - 8/22/2009 6:47:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		ok bring the wine then
then we focus on the subject again


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RE: Code d' Odalisque - 8/22/2009 6:51:22 AM   
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You describe a servitude that comes across as more fulfilling, and involved than what has been described by the OP. Actually I think they had much better get you to rewrite their website. You certainly seem to have better information.

I cant see how interesting the Op's "cockslave"  would be as (nonsexual) company  -

- "here is no need to pamper her excessively and no need to render her more psychologically complex by developing sides of her personality that might conflict with or complicate her role as cockslave. A cockslave needs to be simple. Her isolation is a condition suited to developing MONOMANIA"

She sounds more like a zombie. A good looking one that says "Coooock!" instead of "Braaaaains!"

This doesn't sound like the elegant creature you describe.

I did actually say "I don't think there is so many (as opposed to saying any) domestic service orientated slaves".
Mainly because of the past information of your postings in regards to your household.
So I knew they do exist.
However I didn't think that was typical of most.
Admittedly that was a guess, the sum of my knowledge on service based poly type households has been gleaned almost purely from your past postings. I have no experience in this.

There is still something that to me comes across as wearisomely fantasist about the OPs information.
I guess its the online role play direction of it that seemly leaves me cold.

I would much rather hear from someone like you that is actually living a complex and interesting dynamic than read pages of "code" from someone that I suspect is still living in their parents basement.

I want to know the practical realities of living a power exchange relationship. 
That doesn't come across at all (to me anyway) in the OPs posts.





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RE: Code d' Odalisque - 8/22/2009 7:23:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		"She sounds more like a zombie. A good looking one that says "Coooock!" instead of "Braaaaains!""

That made me laugh til chips came out of me nose - quality.

Reminded me of an ex too

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RE: Code d' Odalisque - 8/22/2009 7:32:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: CarrieO



It appears our OP joined yesterday. Every post made has been to "market" his system of slavery.  While there may be some (few imo) points that are of interest, I find his constant offerings from the "site" as oppossed to actual replies to questions to be downright silly.  If this is nothing more than a shameless plug for a site, be honest and own up.


That's pretty much my thoughts on it. The OP is not interested in discussion of it or interaction with responding posters, only in promoting this "lifestyle" he's come up with. I find his actions silly and laughable and his ideas posted to be more on the lines of elaborate wanking fantasy. It is hard to take someone seriously when they can't be bothered to interact with posters on their thread and only post more trying to market their fantasy.


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RE: Code d' Odalisque - 8/22/2009 8:12:04 AM   
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Mistress.

This stuff is not unique.  It is just a new term to get people wet thinking they are kinky by doing what people have been doing for centuries.
Sheesh.. I could have been sucking motties cock.
 
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ORIGINAL: CallaFirestormBW

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There is a MUCH easier term for this
Trophy wife.

My question is why is this related to bdsm? Seems pretty nilla to me. Rich men have been marrying them for years. Trump had one and when she got to old, he got a newer model, who was then replaced by a newer model. Rich men have been doing this for years.


Except that most of the men who kept an odalisque already -had- a wife... so the odalisque would never be in a situation where she could be married--she was strictly for entertainment.

Dame Calla


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RE: Code d' Odalisque - 8/22/2009 8:15:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		With all due respect I am not marketing anything. I am offering information. Why? I have already stated my interest:

Code d' Odalisque has been around for a while now. I think it offers another possibility in the broad spectrum of BDSM activities and so for this reason deserves to be better known...

I am quite surprised at the hostility here. Amazing.

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RE: Code d' Odalisque - 8/22/2009 8:29:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		I agree. *Play* is the word that covers all bases. I'm perfectly comfortable with it. Even the most serious interaction can be playful. And I'm a fan of Huizinga's book HOMO LUDENS (Man the Player). Play is the primary human activity imo.

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RE: Code d' Odalisque - 8/22/2009 8:42:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		An interesting feature of Code d' Odalisque:

A SIMULATED SLAVE ECONOMY

Code d' Ode includes a simulated slave economy. Legality is a first principle, so slavetrading is entirely simulated and no money changes hands between active players at any juncture. But a simulated trade operates as follows:

*Before purchase cockslaves are graded and priced. They are very expensive items! They are the most expensive of all slaves.

*A slave should demand that she be purchased, not taken freely like a slut. She is proud to be purchased.

*But her owner can "opt" to "commute" the slaveprice to alms. This means he makes a donation to charity instead. The purchase is only token (and indirect).

*Only some charities are acceptable for alms. These are: campaigns against child labour, forced prostitution and female genital mutilation, and all forms of non-consensual slavery. (You can't make a donation to your golf club and call it alms. It has to be directed to an appropriate cause.)

*The slavewoman has the right to nominate the organisation to which she wants her new owner to "commute the slaveprice to alms."

*The slaveowner has the right to decide the sum he will pay in alms to the charity his slave has nominated. Symbolically speaking he has paid the full price and the slave can wear her price with pride.

*A slaveowner is not required to reveal to his slave the actual sum of alms he has paid, nor is he required to give proof of payment to the slave or to anyone else. It is enough that he says to his new slave that he has "commuted the slave price to alms" with the charity of her choice.

*This constitutes full payment.

*It is improper for either slave or Keeper to ever mention either the fact or the sum of payment in any context again. It is a taboo topic in Code d' Ode play.

*It is a voluntary code. Men of good conscience will acknowledge that owning a cockslave is a rare privilege in life and will happily make a generous donation to a worthy cause in lieu of the slaveprice. This legitimizes the bond over his slave.

*Honesty is a cardinal virtue in a Slavekeeper. So when a man says "I have paid the slaveprice" (by way of a token donation to an appropriate charity) then we expect he is reporting the truth. It would be poisonous to begin a Keeper/slave relationship with a lie.

*It is the intent of Code d' Ode to foster and protect odalisques at all times. The whole Code works against illegal slavetrading, forced prostitution and exploitation.

*Odalisques are urged to demand that their owners pay the slave price. She should ask, "Am I to be taken for free like a slut?" An odalisque should SHAME her owner into paying a price for her.

*A key quality in a Slavetrader is the urge to protect and nurture odalisques. Such a man will abhor the ruthless maltreatment of beautiful, erotic women at the hands of underworld rackets and will happily give to charities that are devoted to helping such women. There are thousands of them in forced prostitution in the United States!

*There are no obstacles to players holding (consensual) slave auctions or auctions-for-service so long as ALL proceeds go to an appropriate charity.

*Code d' Ode seeks to create a high-class, luxury, consensual cockslave culture where play incidentally assists charity work that is devoted to eradicating forms of non-consensual sex slavery.

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RE: Code d' Odalisque - 8/22/2009 8:44:00 AM   
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RE: Code d' Odalisque - 8/22/2009 8:45:43 AM   
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ORIGINAL: hlen5

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ORIGINAL: DePubed

........the "young, slim, and beautiful" were in the harem,.......


Slim is a western construct of beauty. Curves have almost always been the ideal form for a woman. 


Yeah, but Lauren Bacall as "Slim" in To Have and Have Not is still hot.

A few odalisques:
Jean-Leon Gerome
Francois Boucher
Ferdinand RoybetJean Auguste Dominique Ingres
Leopold de Moulignon
Lefebvre/Manet
Matisse/Delacroix
Various artists
...and a bunch more


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RE: Code d' Odalisque - 8/22/2009 8:46:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		Gentleman John, you may be surprised at the hostility here, but I am not:

1. You come on here and instead of engaging in a back and forth discussion, instead insistantly point to an outside website that seems like an attempt to sell something.

2. Your lectures on your lifestyle have the overtones of airport preaching to win converts, or enlightening the rabble of the superiority of it; Nothing irritates people faster than having someone preaching at them.

3. Your lifestyle sounds like it fits perfectly your needs; as mine does for me.Would you be interested in a very long, very detailed description of the Traditional Patriarchal Poly Dominant Non-Pain Lifestyle?

I wouldn't.

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RE: Code d' Odalisque - 8/22/2009 8:47:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		sounds like the Sims - bdsm edition.
But if people enjoy such..then they should.

Just wondering...why a slave should demand to be purchased. She does have a choice?

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RE: Code d' Odalisque - 8/22/2009 8:52:40 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Gentlemanjohn9

With all due respect I am not marketing anything. I am offering information.

I am quite surprised at the hostility here. Amazing.


With all due respect, you come off strongly as marketing this idea to us and preaching it to us whether or not it is your intent. That is how it is coming off.

As to hostility. If you call non-sugar-coated bluntness hostility then I guess we ARE being hostile to you.

I bluntly stated my opinion based on all your posts in this thread up to the time I made that post.


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