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RE: Abortion - 8/21/2009 10:34:17 AM   
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RE: Abortion - 8/21/2009 10:35:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		Pro choice.  And I consider the personal responsibility argument to be well-meaning, but wrong.  Let's assume that somebody has been irresponsible.  I don't see forcing them to give birth as in any way proportionate to that.

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RE: Abortion - 8/21/2009 10:36:10 AM   
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I get your points and you are absoltely right.

The Solution isn't easy, but if all that is focused on is the problem that is the only thing that will get bigger.

Maybe if the condom company got a government incentive to have a program for a 1-800-# that you would have to call on the day the condom broke and report the break and get a Incident # and when you go to get the abortion and give them that number then it won't count against the limit before you are denied the ability to have a child.

With Rape there would be a requirement that the rape was reported, maybe then more rapist fuck wads would end up in jail where they beong and learning about rape first hand from a large man named Tiny.

It would not be a Medical issue as much as it would be an Insurance Issue that gets documented on your Medical History and a Doctor under the Hypocratic Oath would be obligated to remove the ability for a person to continue to Opt for Unnecessary Surgeries instead of using provben methods of birth control.

I am not saying that this is the only solution, but with the current nature of people today do you see everyone taking personal responsibility more heavily anytime soon?

There is a Solution but that solution means FORCING people to be responsible for thier actions and that is always a touchy subject.

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RE: Abortion - 8/21/2009 10:36:13 AM   
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RE: Abortion - 8/21/2009 10:36:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think most people would say they are pro responsibility but you then have to ask how this translates to the actual law and how you enforce it. You can't enforce responsibility you must assume all people that ask for an abortion have acted responsibly.

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RE: Abortion - 8/21/2009 10:38:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		FC.. not if it's the second, third or more abortion.   At that point, I think it's safe to say that SOMEONE hasnt been responsible.

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RE: Abortion - 8/21/2009 10:38:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am pro choice and pro responsibility, I got pregnant when playing around and I had the date set for the abortion, I was 5 weeks when I found out and set the abortion date for 11 week 6 days. I then settled down to serious thinking, and it was not easy. I am not the prod mother of a three and half year old son. I also have a child who is 7 and a half and the product of rape and I could not be prouder of both my children. In the end I could not go through with it because each time I looked at my oldest I knew I would not be able to look at him the same way if I carried it out. How could I keep one child but not another. I do not regret keeping my son for a second (and neither does the father, while we are not together he takes care of his son and loves him, the father would go to the ends of the earth for his child, which I cannot say about the father of the oldest).


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RE: Abortion - 8/21/2009 10:39:01 AM   
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There is a Solution but that solution means FORCING people to be responsible for thier actions and that is always a touchy subject.



Yes. So much for freedom of choice and personal liberty - I'm glad to see how happily you would tramp all over other people's constitutional (and human) rights.

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RE: Abortion - 8/21/2009 10:39:03 AM   
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RE: Abortion - 8/21/2009 10:40:09 AM   
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At that point, I think it's safe to say that SOMEONE hasnt been responsible.


True, but if it is a teenager, say 17 year old (legal age for consent in UK is 16) then could you really tie their tubes?


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RE: Abortion - 8/21/2009 10:41:34 AM   
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Steel, I agree about the responsibility thing.  Abortion SHOULD NOT be a form of birth control 




I totally agree with that statement as well.. thank you for putting it so well Steel

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RE: Abortion - 8/21/2009 10:41:57 AM   
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FC.. not if it's the second, third or more abortion.   At that point, I think it's safe to say that SOMEONE hasnt been responsible.


Actually, Greedy, I disagree - you cannot say that all second and third abortions are always the result of irresponsibility. It presumes too much about an infinity of individual cases.

Fact is, one doesn't know why one would need an abortion for a second, or third, or whatever time. I hope you'll agree with me that this is a matter that belongs strictly to the patient and her doctor.

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RE: Abortion - 8/21/2009 10:42:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		Actually, forcing a woman to give birth isn't enough of a deterrent to irresponsibility.  We should force her to give birth and then break her kneecaps.  It's for the good of society.

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RE: Abortion - 8/21/2009 10:43:08 AM   
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At that point, I think it's safe to say that SOMEONE hasnt been responsible.


True, but if it is a teenager, say 17 year old (legal age for consent in UK is 16) then could you really tie their tubes?




When I had to make my *choice* right then and there, once the deed was done, before I was even all with it, they rolled me over and stuck a big shot of depo in my butt (with prior consent of course). I suppose this was their way of encouraging responsibility and doing what the could to facilitate it.

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RE: Abortion - 8/21/2009 10:44:05 AM   
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Actually, forcing a woman to give birth isn't enough of a deterrent to irresponsibility.  We should force her to give birth and then break her kneecaps.  It's for the good of society.


Okay, as long as we cut off all of the shlongs responsible. That's good for society too: teach the little bastards a sense of responsibility.

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RE: Abortion - 8/21/2009 10:45:35 AM   
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Actually, forcing a woman to give birth isn't enough of a deterrent to irresponsibility. We should force her to give birth and then break her kneecaps. It's for the good of society.


Okay, as long as we cut off all of the shlongs responsible. That's good for society too: teach the little bastards a sense of responsibility.


Hmm I think good, but maybe deal with their kneecaps also? Just to hammer the point home


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RE: Abortion - 8/21/2009 10:45:44 AM   
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I hope you advocate the snipping of those guys that repeatedly get chicks up the duff. Or do you just want to sterilise the 'irresponsible' females?


Actually I do.

However I also take the stance that Vets do. Spaying a Cat is Free. Nutering a Cat will cost you. Reason is that if you spay a cat it doesn't matter is the Male is Virile or Not there will be no litter.

The Problem with what you suggest is the same reason Maurry Povitch had such a great show.

Which of the 28 guys the girl was fucking do you snip? How many Paternity tests do you go through to make sure you got the right guy?

You KNOW you got the right girl, how do you make SURE you have the right guy?

I believe it was said that 82% to 85% of all Abortions are from Sexually Promiscuious Women.

I believe that men should be held to the same scrutiny but again how do you always make sure you got the right guy?

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RE: Abortion - 8/21/2009 10:46:43 AM   
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FC.. not if it's the second, third or more abortion. At that point, I think it's safe to say that SOMEONE hasnt been responsible.

If that is the picture, I don't know that it is. She could even be the victim of serial abuse for all I know as a stranger standing in an office.

Wouldn't they go to different clinics anyway each time?

Then where this is the case what do you do? Do you say that on the third pregnancy you must see it to term regardless of the individual circumstances that lead to it?

It's better if the whole issue of responsibility is reserved for preventative means such as sex education etc. and not the act of abortion.


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RE: Abortion - 8/21/2009 10:47:59 AM   
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The Problem with what you suggest is the same reason Maurry Povitch had such a great show.



Never heard of him.

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Which of the 28 guys the girl was fucking do you snip? How many Paternity tests do you go through to make sure you got the right guy?



All of them. If they can be suspected of fucking without protecting their seed from fertilising some random tart, then it's good enough for me. They indulge in risky behaviour, and they deserve to be sterilised  . It's good for society.




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RE: Abortion - 8/21/2009 10:48:34 AM   
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However I also take the stance that Vets do. Spaying a Cat is Free. Nutering a Cat will cost you. Reason is that if you spay a cat it doesn't matter is the Male is Virile or Not there will be no litter.


Steel, what about the fact that it is far far far easier to reverse in men, it seems you are suggesting people can't change and you have taken the permanent decision.

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