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LaTigresse -> RE: Flaws (8/25/2009 3:18:34 PM)
I am all for calling a spade a spade. Anyone that has read my words on here, for any length of time, should be fully aware of that. HOWEVER.......constantly berating and badgering a person in a way that makes the person DOING IT look like a petty immature fool and, only succeeds in making the person they are berating look more like a victim. There is a difference between attacking an idea or behaviour, and attacking the person. More people would benefit from finding that line. As I said, Prin and I have had our differences. One in a recent thread of hers. I strongly disagreed with her thoughts and opinions on a matter and had no problem voicing that. I have no doubt that my opinions were quite clear. However, I made a concentrated effort to stick to the issues and explain my feelings about those issues, rather than attack the individual/s that did not agree with me. Is that clear enough? Seriously.

Leiren -> RE: Flaws (8/25/2009 3:19:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse I believe you need to do more reading if you think I am going to join forces or if you believe I am taking sides. Yeah, right. I said I would not come back to this thread until I discussed this with my Sir. He does not make decisions for me based on which forums I decide to register with. He does read, though. As long as my Sir doesn't reprimand me or tell me I'm out of line with the conclusions I've drawn, I'm not too nervous about my posts. So, LaTigresse, yes. I do believe you're defending a stance on the OP's part that is clearly indefensible since she claims to be a 'licensed therapist' in the U.K. Everyone of her posts comes across as 'WTF'? Why won't anyone claim me as their sub /slave. The answer is in how she presents herself.

lusciouslips19 -> RE: Flaws (8/25/2009 3:19:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LillyoftheVally quote: ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19 However being open makes one a target. I would like to see how you would fair under a microscope and judgement from others? Or is one of your faults your rigidity and close minded jugements? In which case maybe Prins actually doesn't need defending. It is something I am struggling with because I think some responses here have been overly harsh, however you are right if Prins puts it out there then she is more than aware of what she will get back. I agree. But I have better things to do than criticize. Its Prinns life, not mine. Its not my job to tell her how to behave.

LillyoftheVally -> RE: Flaws (8/25/2009 3:20:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Leiren To me, she's not so much as a victim as a predator who tries to hide behind being an s-type. And as long as the rest of you indulge her, she'll never become introspective as to what she's doing to sabotage her own relationships. Without her taking a long hard look at herself, she's never going to progress beyond the 'woe is me, victim stage'. Two points 1- If she see's herself as a victim honestly ask yourself, is insulting her going to increase or lessen that belief? 2- Do you really think that your words on the internet or mine or anyone else's will make her change her life?

LaTigresse -> RE: Flaws (8/25/2009 3:21:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Leiren So, LaTigresse, yes. I do believe you're defending a stance on the OP's part that is clearly indefensible since she claims to be a 'licensed therapist' in the U.K. Then I can only conclude one of two things, my writing skills suck, or your reading comprehension does.

RapierFugue -> RE: Flaws (8/25/2009 3:21:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19 quote: Nuff about that, though. JMO, put Prinsexx doesn't really come across as having the credentials she claims to have. Maybe she DOES. But if so, she's not applying her 'skills' to her own life. As a pshyc major in college, i saw many off kilter proffesors. We are all human and we all have issues. To be a therapist one must have objectivity with others and not engage in Transferance or Counter-transferance behaviors. So long as they dont treat themselves they are fine. Point of order: you're replying to my post, but can I just point out those aren't my comments? Ta. Oh and yes; I used to work with that sort (still do from time to time) and yes, they're none of them were what you'd call well adjusted.

RapierFugue -> RE: Flaws (8/25/2009 3:22:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse quote: ORIGINAL: Leiren So, LaTigresse, yes. I do believe you're defending a stance on the OP's part that is clearly indefensible since she claims to be a 'licensed therapist' in the U.K. Then I can only conclude one of two things, my writing skills suck, or your reading comprehension does. <prepared to make a joke at any cost, regardless of injury to self Mode> Or both [:D]

Leiren -> RE: Flaws (8/25/2009 3:25:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Apocalypso ZOMG PEOPLE ARE DISAGREEING WITH ME ON THE INTERNET ITS JUST LIKE STALIN'S RUSSIA. I'm not trying to shut you up. I'm making fun of you. In case that wasn't clear. Hey! I got the fact that you're making fun of me. My question to you is do YOU currently have a sub / slave? Maybe you do. But I doubt it. Your attitude precludes a lot of possible female s types that might have had some interest in you. If you DO currently have a sub /slave then please advise. [:)]

LaTigresse -> RE: Flaws (8/25/2009 3:26:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RapierFugue quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse quote: ORIGINAL: Leiren So, LaTigresse, yes. I do believe you're defending a stance on the OP's part that is clearly indefensible since she claims to be a 'licensed therapist' in the U.K. Then I can only conclude one of two things, my writing skills suck, or your reading comprehension does. <prepared to make a joke at any cost, regardless of injury to self Mode> Or both [:D] It was the "suck" wasn't it?

LillyoftheVally -> RE: Flaws (8/25/2009 3:27:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Leiren Hey! I got the fact that you're making fun of me. My question to you is do YOU currently have a sub / slave? Maybe you do. But I doubt it. Your attitude precludes a lot of possible female s types that might have had some interest in you. If you DO currently have a sub /slave then please advise. [:)] Nah, Im scotch mist

LaTigresse -> RE: Flaws (8/25/2009 3:27:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Leiren quote: ORIGINAL: Apocalypso ZOMG PEOPLE ARE DISAGREEING WITH ME ON THE INTERNET ITS JUST LIKE STALIN'S RUSSIA. I'm not trying to shut you up. I'm making fun of you. In case that wasn't clear. Hey! I got the fact that you're making fun of me. My question to you is do YOU currently have a sub / slave? Maybe you do. But I doubt it. Your attitude precludes a lot of possible female s types that might have had some interest in you. If you DO currently have a sub /slave then please advise. [:)] quote: Exactly WHAT does this have to do with the price of tea in China? oh hell I am just making the quote thingies worse.....

lusciouslips19 -> RE: Flaws (8/25/2009 3:28:07 PM)
I think this is a facinating psychological question. It would be nice if people could answer the question and not attack the originator of the question. I have yet to see the person Leiren actually answer the qurstion as it pertains to herself. "Do you see yourself as perfect? Do you see yorself as flawed? Do you expect perfection in others? If no what flaws can you handle, what flaws are actually appealing? What IS the 'gold standrad' you are using? If you are D type would you train, iron out those flaws in an s type? " I really would like to learn your opinions and learn about you on the inside.

RapierFugue -> RE: Flaws (8/25/2009 3:28:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse quote: ORIGINAL: RapierFugue quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse quote: ORIGINAL: Leiren So, LaTigresse, yes. I do believe you're defending a stance on the OP's part that is clearly indefensible since she claims to be a 'licensed therapist' in the U.K. Then I can only conclude one of two things, my writing skills suck, or your reading comprehension does. <prepared to make a joke at any cost, regardless of injury to self Mode> Or both [:D] It was the "suck" wasn't it? It wasn't, but frankly it should have been. I'm slipping [:(]

RapierFugue -> RE: Flaws (8/25/2009 3:30:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19 I think this is a facinating psychological question. It would be nice if people could answer the question and not attack the originator of the question. I have yet to see the person Leiren actually answer the qurstion as it pertains to herself. "Do you see yourself as perfect? Do you see yorself as flawed? Do you expect perfection in others? If no what flaws can you handle, what flaws are actually appealing? What IS the 'gold standrad' you are using? If you are D type would you train, iron out those flaws in an s type? " I really would like to learn your opinions and learn about you on the inside. Ok, I'll answer for me: "A: It's a pile of trite cod-psyche, and I don't work that cheap."

LillyoftheVally -> RE: Flaws (8/25/2009 3:32:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RapierFugue I'm slipping [:(] It's ok, it happens to all the guys sometimes

Apocalypso -> RE: Flaws (8/25/2009 3:32:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Leiren I got the fact that you're making fun of me Well done! Aww, I feel like Henry Higgins now.

Leiren -> RE: Flaws (8/25/2009 3:33:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LillyoftheVally Two points 1- If she see's herself as a victim honestly ask yourself, is insulting her going to increase or lessen that belief? 2- Do you really think that your words on the internet or mine or anyone else's will make her change her life? She apparently DOES see herself as a victim of everyone who just can't quite 'grasp' her view. I didn't insult her. I pointed out that she's lessening her chance at finding a person who might fulfill her needs. Her problem seems to be the negativity and blame projection. She's not yet admitted the fact that her own attitude and actions are the likely cause why someone hasn't contacted her and made a real and sincere attempt to establish a relationship with her.

thishereboi -> RE: Flaws (8/25/2009 3:33:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Leiren quote: ORIGINAL: Apocalypso ZOMG PEOPLE ARE DISAGREEING WITH ME ON THE INTERNET ITS JUST LIKE STALIN'S RUSSIA. I'm not trying to shut you up. I'm making fun of you. In case that wasn't clear. Hey! I got the fact that you're making fun of me. My question to you is do YOU currently have a sub / slave? Maybe you do. But I doubt it. Your attitude precludes a lot of possible female s types that might have had some interest in you. If you DO currently have a sub /slave then please advise. [:)] I have stayed out of the thread to this point but now I just have to ask... What does having or not having a slave have to do with any of this? It's ok, I'll wait while you go ask your "Sir".

Prinsexx -> RE: Flaws (8/25/2009 3:34:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Leiren quote: ORIGINAL: Apocalypso ZOMG PEOPLE ARE DISAGREEING WITH ME ON THE INTERNET ITS JUST LIKE STALIN'S RUSSIA. I'm not trying to shut you up. I'm making fun of you. In case that wasn't clear. I can assure you Collarme is nothing like Stalin's Russia. And before you flame me for not being qualified to say that: I have lived in Russia, in Moscow in an apartment built during the Stalinist period. I lived and worked there both during the Communist Regime and during the evolution of democratic capitalism. I can assure you of my training in 1997, first as a hypnotherapist and then as a psychotherpaist. This is not to defned myself but to ask you a very simple question: Do you think that therapists are beyond human, that they have no flaws?

mnottertail -> RE: Flaws (8/25/2009 3:34:18 PM)
Oh!!!!!! I see everyone's confusion now.... NO Goddamit --- it says FLAWS, not CLAWS. Glad to have broght some clarity to this thread. Ron

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