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Sanity -> Political indoctrination in schools: (9/3/2009 6:08:26 AM)


[sm=bowdown.gif]  "I pledge to be of service to Barack Obama." 

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Parents upset over 'leftist propaganda' video

Principal apologizes for showing 'I Pledge' to students.


A school principal has apologized for showing a video at an assembly that a politically conservative group leader is calling "radical, leftist propaganda." Children at Eagle Bay Elementary School in Farmington were shown a short video called "I pledge" on Aug. 28. The video opens with an image of President Barack Obama and part of a speech in which he says, "Let us summon a new spirit of patriotism, of responsibility where each of us resolves to pitch in and work harder and look after not only ourselves but each other." The video then features celebrities making pledges about how they will help the president and the world -- and that's where some say the problem lies.


Many pledges, such as supporting local food banks, smiling more, and caring
for the elderly are noncontroversial. But other pledges, such as "to never give anyone the finger when I'm driving again," "to sell my obnoxious car and buy a hybrid" and to advance stem cell research cross the line, some say.

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Gayle Ruzicka, president of conservative Utah Eagle Forum, said the video was blatantly political. She said other offensive pledges included, "I pledge to be of service to Barack Obama," "I pledge allegiance to the funk, to the united funk of funkadelica," and pledges to not use plastic grocery bags and not flush the toilet after urinating.

"It's very inappropriate to show a radical, leftist propaganda piece that political to children," Ruzicka said. "If parents want their children to learn about those things and do them in the home, wonderful, fine, but it's not the place of the school to show a one-sided propaganda piece to children without parents knowing about it."

(Full article here).


IN OTHER NEWS...

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White House Withdraws Call for Students to 'Help' Obama

Obama's plan to inspire the nation's schoolchildren with a video address next week erupted into controversy.

The Obama administration is rethinking its course recommendations for students ahead of President Obama's address to the the nation's schoolchildren next week, rewriting its suggestions to teachers for student assignments on how to "help the president,"

The Washington Times reported Thursday that presidential aides acknowledged they helped the U.S. Education Department write the suggested assignments, which stirred criticism by many who say Obama is trying to indoctrinate the education system.

White House aides said the language was supposed to be a inspirational, pro-education message to America's youths, but its unintended consequences were evident.

Among the activities initially suggested for pre-K to 6th grade students was to "write letters to themselves about what they can do to help the president."





SpinnerofTales -> RE: Political indoctrination in schools: (9/3/2009 6:32:45 AM)


When you're right, you're right, Sanity. "I pledge I pledge allegiance to the funk, to the united funk of funkadelica"? Obviously Obama is trying to undermine the country. As I recall from history class, every great tyrany throughout history has begun by the prospective tyrant bringing out da 'funk.

On a more serious note, I have some questions about whether this was an appropriate video to show kids. I would prefer a more non-partisan approach and the "I pledge to serve Barak Obama" was definitly over the line. I think it was a well meaning PSA video made by some folks who missed the mark. I do not think it part of any grand scheme to indoctrinate our children, turning them into rabid, non plastic bag using, democratic robots.

The bigger question is: Why in the hell didn't anyone from the school actually watch the video before showing it to the kids? That review is exactly the kind of thing we are supposed to be paying our school officials for. Had someone taken half an hour to check it out, it might not have been shown.

I will say that I still think Obama is well meaning. I also think he and his staff sometimes have a problem with the difference between what is appropriate for a community organizer, a college professor and the president of the United States. It is something I would like to see him work on.




Sanity -> RE: Political indoctrination in schools: (9/3/2009 6:35:58 AM)


Read the second article, Spinner. Obama is planning a broadcast to every student in American public schools next week, and is having to backpedal away from the original plan.

I'm taking mine to a cultural center / museum that day...




fadedlace -> RE: Political indoctrination in schools: (9/3/2009 7:11:05 AM)

The U.S. Department of Education has links to the school activities that are planned, for all schoolchildren from grades PreK - 12, after the Sept. 8 broadcast to be shown in all schools. 

Mine and I are also doing something else that day.




SpinnerofTales -> RE: Political indoctrination in schools: (9/3/2009 7:14:32 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Read the second article, Spinner. Obama is planning a broadcast to every student in American public schools next week, and is having to backpedal away from the original plan.

I'm taking mine to a cultural center / museum that day...


I read the article...but I didn't see anything about the broadcast plans. Can you point me to an article?




Sanity -> RE: Political indoctrination in schools: (9/3/2009 7:33:46 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales
I read the article...but I didn't see anything about the broadcast plans. Can you point me to an article?


Sure... anything, for a friend.

http://www.ed.gov/admins/lead/academic/bts.html

http://www.examiner.com/x-11748-Jefferson-County-Conservative-Examiner~y2009m9d1-White-House-prepares-schools-for-September-8th-address-to-the-nations-youth




mnottertail -> RE: Political indoctrination in schools: (9/3/2009 7:39:09 AM)

deleted for insanity reasons (mine, not Sanity's)

Ron




DomKen -> RE: Political indoctrination in schools: (9/3/2009 8:30:51 AM)

When FNC and the moonies decry something I'm always sure it must have been a good thing they found some angle to make look bad.




DiurnalVampire -> RE: Political indoctrination in schools: (9/3/2009 8:37:43 AM)

There is at least one county here in TN that refuses to show the video. There are parents groups who are threatening to boycott school that day if the other counties dont do the same and refuse the video.




Mercnbeth -> RE: Political indoctrination in schools: (9/3/2009 8:48:34 AM)

Seriously starting to doubt that the President has intelligent people working for him. If nobody thought that speaking to elementary school children wouldn't generate historical comparisons and cries of indoctrination they are the disconnected intellectual elitists they've been commonly accused of being.

What's the over/under for a right wing call for a national boycott of school that day?

Someone is going to use this for political hay.

Very strange.




SpinnerofTales -> RE: Political indoctrination in schools: (9/3/2009 9:16:29 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

Seriously starting to doubt that the President has intelligent people working for him. If nobody thought that speaking to elementary school children wouldn't generate historical comparisons and cries of indoctrination they are the disconnected intellectual elitists they've been commonly accused of being.

What's the over/under for a right wing call for a national boycott of school that day?

Someone is going to use this for political hay.

Very strange.



Actually, I don't think the president addresing school children is in and of itself a bad idea. The stupidity, in my opinion, was the idea "How I Can Help the President". If they had changed one damned word, making it into "How I Can Help the Conuntry" it would have been great.

Once again, our amazing government at work. They could screw up a cup of coffee.




tazzygirl -> RE: Political indoctrination in schools: (9/3/2009 9:32:58 AM)

Maybe im mistaken... but... havent other Presidents also addressed school children?




NeedToUseYou -> RE: Political indoctrination in schools: (9/3/2009 9:35:43 AM)

I'm against any politician talking to school children, beyond do your homework, it your veggies, and listen to your parents.

It's starting to be like Obama is inviting Hitler Youth comparisons, maybe his handlers are as good as Bush's were at totally isolating him from reality.








Mercnbeth -> RE: Political indoctrination in schools: (9/3/2009 9:45:04 AM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Maybe im mistaken... but... havent other Presidents also addressed school children?
Broadcasting to all of them while in school? No.
However, a Chancellor or two may have done it in the past.

Sorrry - REALLY a cheap shot, but WOW! nothing better on the 'to do' list for this Administration?




tazzygirl -> RE: Political indoctrination in schools: (9/3/2009 10:24:41 AM)

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Celebrity-Packed Pledge For Obama (VIDEO)
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Jan 19, 2009

Hollywood heavyweights made their pledges to Barack Obama in the video below. Directed and edited by Demi Moore, it features celebrity pledges by Cameron Diaz, Hayden Panetierre, Laura Linney, Dakota Fanning, Jaime Pressley, Ashlee Simpson, Nicole Richie, Ashton Kutcher, Tobey Maguire, Diddy, Alyssa Milano, Marisa Tomei, Courteney Cox Arquette and David Arquette, and others.

From MySpace Celebrity:


Reflecting Barack's call for change, the film features over 50 of the biggest stars in Hollywood revealing how they plan to personally participate in keeping America strong, proud and green. The clip will be presented to our new President during his inaugural celebration.


"There's an assumption that this one man is going to take on his new job full-time and somehow wave a magic wand of change, and I don't believe that to be true," Ashton tells Reuters. "I think that we have to be the leaders, and that's not celebrities--I think that we as citizens have to be leaders of the movement that we want to create."


Dont believe much of this was done at the hands or the knowledge of the President. However, i would seriously call into question anyone who would pop a video into a player for children to watch without screening it themselves.

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Gayle Ruzicka, president of conservative Utah Eagle Forum, said the video was blatantly political. She said other offensive pledges included, "I pledge to be of service to Barack Obama," "I pledge allegiance to the funk, to the united funk of funkadelica," and pledges to not use plastic grocery bags and not flush the toilet after urinating.

"It's very inappropriate to show a radical, leftist propaganda piece that political to children," Ruzicka said. "If parents want their children to learn about those things and do them in the home, wonderful, fine, but it's not the place of the school to show a one-sided propaganda piece to children without parents knowing about it."


um, im sorry, but the "stars" are entitled to their opinions too. and those opinions, just like mine, do not have to be endorced by any political group.

to blame Obama for this is plain wrong. Its months old. The school is clearly at fault. Trying to shift blame because it got into the wrong viewing market is wrong. The school needs to pull up their big girl and boy panties and accept responsibility for their irresponsible acts.




SpinnerofTales -> RE: Political indoctrination in schools: (9/3/2009 1:23:00 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl


Gayle Ruzicka, president of conservative Utah Eagle Forum, said the video was blatantly political. She said other offensive pledges included, "I pledge to be of service to Barack Obama," "I pledge allegiance to the funk, to the united funk of funkadelica," and pledges to not use plastic grocery bags and not flush the toilet after urinating.

"It's very inappropriate to show a radical, leftist propaganda piece that political to children," Ruzicka said. "If parents want their children to learn about those things and do them in the home, wonderful, fine, but it's not the place of the school to show a one-sided propaganda piece to children without parents knowing about it."


Her quote was actually "If parents want their children to learn about those things, then do them in the home, with their father and four mothers, three of which are fifteen or younger, to teach them as Joseph Smith and God intended"

This is, after all, Utah.





lazarus1983 -> RE: Political indoctrination in schools: (9/3/2009 1:39:17 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl


Gayle Ruzicka, president of conservative Utah Eagle Forum, said the video was blatantly political. She said other offensive pledges included, "I pledge to be of service to Barack Obama," "I pledge allegiance to the funk, to the united funk of funkadelica," and pledges to not use plastic grocery bags and not flush the toilet after urinating.

"It's very inappropriate to show a radical, leftist propaganda piece that political to children," Ruzicka said. "If parents want their children to learn about those things and do them in the home, wonderful, fine, but it's not the place of the school to show a one-sided propaganda piece to children without parents knowing about it."


Her quote was actually "If parents want their children to learn about those things, then do them in the home, with their father and four mothers, three of which are fifteen or younger, to teach them as Joseph Smith and God intended"

This is, after all, Utah.




Now there's a good role model for kids, Joseph Smith! He can teach about how all other creeds are an abomination, and that the Garden of Eden was somewhere in America. And don't forget how to wear their magical protective underwear the right way!




Sanity -> RE: Political indoctrination in schools: (9/3/2009 2:00:36 PM)


The president also plans a controversial live broadcast to all the public schools across America:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/03/white-house-withdraws-students-help-obama/

http://www.ed.gov/admins/lead/academic/bts.html

http://www.examiner.com/x-11748-Jefferson-County-Conservative-Examiner~y2009m9d1-White-House-prepares-schools-for-September-8th-address-to-the-nations-youth





SpinnerofTales -> RE: Political indoctrination in schools: (9/3/2009 2:10:31 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


The president also plans a controversial live broadcast to all the public schools across America:


My God! The president urging kids to stay in school and learn something. Whatever shall we do? Next he'll be advocating that our young people eat their vegetables and return their library books. This must be stoped NOW!

I think the clock on the wall reads "Time to get over this one"




Sanity -> RE: Political indoctrination in schools: (9/3/2009 3:34:27 PM)


You should read up on it a little more before trying to comment on it, Spinner. Because you don't know what it is that you're trying to spin...


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ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales
My God! The president urging kids to stay in school and learn something. Whatever shall we do? Next he'll be advocating that our young people eat their vegetables and return their library books. This must be stoped NOW!

I think the clock on the wall reads "Time to get over this one"





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