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rulemylife -> RE: 102 minutes that changed America (9/8/2009 6:20:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife And does sinking to their level help us or hurt us? Rule, "sinking to their level?" Is that a psychological question? The objective is to beat them! Twenty years or 100 years from now no-one's going to care how we did it, ya think? To beat them you have to be "more brutal" than they are. If you're going to cut a guy to pieces what differance does it make what "religion" or "nationality" he is? At that moment in time "he" is on the losing team and will pay for it with his life. There's no room for "social workers" in war. You don't win wars by being "nice!" It wouldn't make me "feel better" if we abided by some abstract "rules" before we killed a bunch of people but, it would make me "feel better" if I watched a bunch of savages being bulldozed into a common grave with pig guts while I'm eating a "Hungry Man" t.v. dinner or a big steak with the juice dripping down my chin, sippin' on a coke cola watching the News! I don't want to "talk" to those pricks I want them all dead. If they want to have some fun with them first more power to them. I don't want to know their names, whee they're from, I don't want to give them "lawyers", social workers, "humane conditions or anything else. D_E_A_D, that's how I want them! They should have given those savages in GTMO Bibles wrapped up in Koran book covers just to fuck with them and taken pics of their sweet little faces when they realized what happened! I bet we'd have seen some Bible pages in the toilet, you think? This is another topic that has been beaten to death on these boards and I've posted my views many times. In short, how do you claim to be defending the freedoms and principles we are supposedly fighting for by abandoning those freedoms and principles?

rulemylife -> RE: 102 minutes that changed America (9/8/2009 6:37:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Irishknight Terrorists are no better than animals and deserve to be treated as rabid animals. They need to know that they will not be held for a few years and relased if caught. They need to be wrapped in pigskins and buried in unmarked graves when captured. These monsters need to be humiliated, wrapped in pigskin and sent to hell. If we start treating them in that way, they will realize that there are no 72 virgins awaiting them when they murder our women and children. Does the idea disgust me? You bet. Would I still do it to protect the innocents that these bastards muder? Damned right I would. Go ahead and flame me and say what you will. As Popeye said, "There is no place for social workers in war." The longer we try the soft approach, the longer this bullshit will go on. Two problems. First, many of those caught as terrorists turned out to not be terrorists. Second, what we did could hardly be termed a "soft approach".

Sanity -> RE: 102 minutes that changed America (9/8/2009 8:43:31 AM)
I'm pretty sure that the only terrorists who were interrogated with enhanced methods were the 9/11 ringleaders.

SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: 102 minutes that changed America (9/8/2009 8:48:55 AM)
I wouldn't bet your life on it, all you have is the statements from those that were there and they'll not exactly be giving an unbiased recollection now will they, not considering all the media attention it got? The problem is admitting to it at all makes people wonder if it could have been more widespread.

Sanity -> RE: 102 minutes that changed America (9/8/2009 9:28:56 AM)
So a lack of evidence is evidence... [:D]

SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: 102 minutes that changed America (9/8/2009 9:36:40 AM)
There is evidence it was carried out on some before which the government insisted it wasn't carried out at all. Naturally people will be sceptical.

Sanity -> RE: 102 minutes that changed America (9/8/2009 9:38:56 AM)
I only hope that if I am ever falsely accused, you are not on the jury hearing my case. [;)]

SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: 102 minutes that changed America (9/8/2009 9:43:59 AM)
I only hope you'll have a jury deciding your case, won't be long now before they'll be rolling out those behind closed doors affairs for everyone.

rulemylife -> RE: 102 minutes that changed America (9/8/2009 9:47:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity I'm pretty sure that the only terrorists who were interrogated with enhanced methods were the 9/11 ringleaders. I'm pretty sure you are wrong, and the proof has been posted numerous times previously.

Arpig -> RE: 102 minutes that changed America (9/8/2009 10:08:13 AM)
quote: I'm pretty sure that the only terrorists who were interrogated with enhanced methods were the 9/11 ringleaders. And you would be wrong http://www.law.ualberta.ca/centres/ccs/news/?id=299 http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/11128331/follow_omar_khadr_from_an_al_qaeda_childhood_to_a_gitmo_cell That is of course assuming that you don't think that 9/11 was masterminded by a 15 year old from Toronto.

Politesub53 -> RE: 102 minutes that changed America (9/8/2009 10:58:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity I'm pretty sure that the only terrorists who were interrogated with enhanced methods were the 9/11 ringleaders. Another Canadian ringleader caught. [8\|] http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2005/02/14/050214fa_fact6

Politesub53 -> RE: 102 minutes that changed America (9/8/2009 11:02:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity I'm pretty sure that the only terrorists who were interrogated with enhanced methods were the 9/11 ringleaders. Now a German ringleader captured ( even the FBI thought this man was innocent ) http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/the_torture_of_an_innocent_man/ Are you getting the picture yet, or do I keep posting.

Politesub53 -> RE: 102 minutes that changed America (9/8/2009 11:07:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 C'man Politesub, you know you'd like to give a set of pliars a good twist if they were attached to the big nose of a terrorist! Popeye, i would not be happy to see any tortured in my name, not even the scum that planted this bomb only today. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8244138.stm Edited to add the word not. I dont want people thinking I had changed my mind.

popeye1250 -> RE: 102 minutes that changed America (9/8/2009 1:34:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife And does sinking to their level help us or hurt us? Rule, "sinking to their level?" Is that a psychological question? The objective is to beat them! Twenty years or 100 years from now no-one's going to care how we did it, ya think? To beat them you have to be "more brutal" than they are. If you're going to cut a guy to pieces what differance does it make what "religion" or "nationality" he is? At that moment in time "he" is on the losing team and will pay for it with his life. There's no room for "social workers" in war. You don't win wars by being "nice!" It wouldn't make me "feel better" if we abided by some abstract "rules" before we killed a bunch of people but, it would make me "feel better" if I watched a bunch of savages being bulldozed into a common grave with pig guts while I'm eating a "Hungry Man" t.v. dinner or a big steak with the juice dripping down my chin, sippin' on a coke cola watching the News! I don't want to "talk" to those pricks I want them all dead. If they want to have some fun with them first more power to them. I don't want to know their names, whee they're from, I don't want to give them "lawyers", social workers, "humane conditions or anything else. D_E_A_D, that's how I want them! They should have given those savages in GTMO Bibles wrapped up in Koran book covers just to fuck with them and taken pics of their sweet little faces when they realized what happened! I bet we'd have seen some Bible pages in the toilet, you think? This is another topic that has been beaten to death on these boards and I've posted my views many times. In short, how do you claim to be defending the freedoms and principles we are supposedly fighting for by abandoning those freedoms and principles? Rule, I wasn't claiming that. That's a little,..."abstract" don't you think? This isn't a "legal action" it's a military operation. Two differant things. Your statement above would seem to suppose that we "give" rights to foreign nationals who want to kill us. Why on earth would anyone want to do that?

Arpig -> RE: 102 minutes that changed America (9/8/2009 8:58:31 PM)
quote: Your statement above would seem to suppose that we "give" rights to foreign nationals who want to kill us. Why on earth would anyone want to do that? Ummmm....I don't know, but maybe these words might jog your memory a little: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

rulemylife -> RE: 102 minutes that changed America (9/8/2009 10:01:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 Rule, I wasn't claiming that. That's a little,..."abstract" don't you think? This isn't a "legal action" it's a military operation. Two differant things. Your statement above would seem to suppose that we "give" rights to foreign nationals who want to kill us. Why on earth would anyone want to do that? No, it's not abstract in the least. It is what we have condemned other countries for and prosecuted those who used such tactics against our own as war criminals.

luckydawg -> RE: 102 minutes that changed America (9/8/2009 10:09:25 PM)
Well then, if waging violent Jihad makes them happy we have to let them puruse it, I suppose. They get the right to "pursue happiness", with "liberty" and ""life. So we can't kill or detain them. Case closed. America sucks.

rulemylife -> RE: 102 minutes that changed America (9/8/2009 10:22:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: luckydawg Well then, if waging violent Jihad makes them happy we have to let them puruse it, I suppose. They get the right to "pursue happiness", with "liberty" and ""life. So we can't kill or detain them. Case closed. America sucks. You know, I'm confused, because I always have been for going after the terrorists within legal means. Which is why I supported Bush's invasion of Afghanistan and I support Obama's plan to hopefully put a finish to it. Yet we have conservatives here arguing against what Obama is doing, while they praised the same thing when Bush did it, while at the same time arguing we are allowed to do anything to capture and get information from those we deem terrorists.

luckydawg -> RE: 102 minutes that changed America (9/8/2009 10:34:36 PM)
Legal means like predator drones?

thishereboi -> RE: 102 minutes that changed America (9/9/2009 4:54:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig quote: I'm pretty sure that the only terrorists who were interrogated with enhanced methods were the 9/11 ringleaders. And you would be wrong http://www.law.ualberta.ca/centres/ccs/news/?id=299 http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/11128331/follow_omar_khadr_from_an_al_qaeda_childhood_to_a_gitmo_cell That is of course assuming that you don't think that 9/11 was masterminded by a 15 year old from Toronto. Nope according to the article he was not a ring leader for 9/11. But that was not from lack of trying on his parents end. In fact from what the following quote says, they raised him to be a terrorist and their biggest dream for him was religous martyrdom. I wonder if they are disappointed that he wasn't killed. Maybe I would have a little more sympathy for them if they didn't drag their children into their bullshit. "His name was Omar Khadr. Born into a fundamentalist Muslim family in Toronto, he had been prepared for jihad since he was a small boy. His parents, who were Egyptian and Palestinian, had raised him to believe that religious martyrdom was the highest achievement he could aspire to. In the Khadr family, suicide bombers were spoken of with great respect. According to U.S intelligence, Omar's father used charities as front groups to raise and launder money for Al Qaeda. Omar's formal military training -- bombmaking, assault-rifle marksmanship, combat tactics -- before he turned twelve. For nearly a year before the Ab Khail siege, according to the U.S. government, Omar and his father and brothers had fought with the Taliban against American and Northern Alliance forces in Afghanistan. Before that, they had been living in Jalalabad, with Osama bin Laden. Omar spent much of his adolescence in Al Qaeda compounds."

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