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I believe that extraordinary rendition is another topic, what I was referring to was the enhanced interrogation techniques employed by the CIA at Club GTMO. Even counting Arpig's highly questionable contribution though, together with the people sent off through extraordinary rendition by Bill Clinton and G.W. my point stands rather well I think, which is essentially that we're not torturing everyone who we find wearing a turban. There were basically a few very high value people at the top who were questioned that way.

Obama's doing an extensive internal audit and he's not finding what you and Arpig seem to be claiming at all, is he. And he has every resource available to him to find the truth.

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Arpig, you switched terms from post 75 to 79 It went from "absolute nobodies" being interogated to "relative nobodies".

It's hard to have a serious talk with someone who switches terms in mid debate, and pretends he hasn't.

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What I find most striking about the film if I'm being honest is the total inability to fight fire, despite their best efforts, in a high-rise building or to evacuate people. I'm not sure if the WTC towers had a sprinkler system but I expect it would have all most certainly been water based which would have only spread the fuel around further. No one expected a fire load of jet fuel but future systems should use foam like is used when a plane crash lands at an airport. If those fires had been brought under control sooner those towers almost certainly wouldn't have collapsed at all and this is where most people probably died, not from the initial impacts.

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You know you see those heavy lifting helicopters lifting tanks, they should have some on standby containing foam tanks that could be flown adjacent to a high-rise building then a high pressure jet of foam could be directed into the fire from the outside. The outside perimeter is where the fire is being fuelled by the most oxygen. You could even spray some kind of viscous coating on the outside to remove the external source of oxygen.

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In any case these buildings were designed long ago and I expect modern design philosophy would cope better under such a situation.

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edited to add: I suppose the towers could have collapsed eventually due to the wind forces alone but I'm a strong believer in equilibrium of forces meaning if a structure is proven to stand up for a period of time as it is and the external forces applied to it remain more or less the same it will stand much longer. The only significant thing affected the structure in my view was the heat from the fire and if the fire had been at the very top of the buildings rather than a few floors down that obviously also would have helped the situation.