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tazzygirl -> RE: Religion Discriminates (9/10/2009 2:42:00 PM)

Being discriminated based upon religious affiliation is just as bad as it is due to race, handicap, age, ect. You shouldnt have to change your sex or race to get a job... nor should you have to hide your religious affiliation.




tazzygirl -> RE: Religion Discriminates (9/10/2009 2:44:18 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Laymedown60

Religions don't discriminate people do and they discriminate in every single group regardless if affiliated with religion. It is a personal choice to say I am better than you…but in this case….[:D]

ps sorry tazzygirl the response was for the op...I'll learn


lol... ok.. cus i was soooo lost...pst... im getting old so have pity!




SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: Religion Discriminates (9/10/2009 2:44:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
The same ten commandments that atheists and others state we dont need to live a moral or good life?
They are basically written into our laws already, with maybe an exception or two.
So, again, i ask, what does "god" expect of me, that the law doesnt expect of you?


Not sure they all became law...

You shall not make for yourself an idol (How about American Pop idol?)
Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy (Sunday shopping anyone?)
You shall not commit adultery (not law as yet in the west [most places])
You shall not covet your neighbour’s wife (How about the one two doors down?)
You shall not covet anything that belongs to your neighbour (No more keeping up with the Jones')




tazzygirl -> RE: Religion Discriminates (9/10/2009 2:48:06 PM)


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ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3

Not sure they all became law...

You shall not make for yourself an idol (How about American Pop idol?)
Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy (Sunday shopping anyone)
You shall not commit adultery (not law as yet in the west [most places])
You shall not covet your neighbour’s wife (How about the one two doors down?)
You shall not covet anything that belongs to your neighbour (No more keeping up with the Jones')



As i said one or two... and your first two are those.

Adultry is still illegal.

Part of the covet thing is this... its ok to want... but desire.. to long for.. tends to lead to either good... where we work harder for it... or bad... taking it because we want it that much.

Last i heard, kidnapping and theft were still illegal... lol




SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: Religion Discriminates (9/10/2009 2:52:31 PM)

Well adultery is not illegal here in ye old world and ye old world is closer to medieval times than that new fangled world of yours.

But these are your commandments to live by not my laws as such, no matter what semantic gymnastics is used.





tazzygirl -> RE: Religion Discriminates (9/10/2009 3:00:06 PM)

They are? You mean the law of the land doesnt supercede what is a religious law?

Lets take this a bit further. The idea of keeping up with the Jones is people wanting what the Jones has... the same.. or better. Say someone gets a fancy new corvete. A neighbor may see it and want one just like it. How many want that exact vet, that belongs to the neighbor, and not one just like it?

You may say its semantics. I see it as logical. I dont want my neighbors vet... i want my own... better than his. But, if i say i want his.. and its stolen two days later, who are they going to look at first, if i make that desire known to others?

There is a difference between keeping up and desiring what my neighbor has.

As far as keeping the sabbath holy... wow... isnt that one of the most distorted views about religion. Tell me, what does that mean to you?




SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: Religion Discriminates (9/10/2009 3:08:29 PM)

What if you want his car (a true one of a kind) and are willing to trade? Not healthy?

Keeping the Sabbath holy used to reflect the notion the universe was created in 6 days and the 7th was the day of rest. Thus it is telling people not to work on that day and until the early nineties that was the case in the west by law but not anymore. Now you would say though that this was a misinterpretation and circa 1994ish we learnt the true meaning?




tazzygirl -> RE: Religion Discriminates (9/10/2009 3:14:40 PM)

We cant work.. and didnt then? Is that your understanding?




SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: Religion Discriminates (9/10/2009 3:17:44 PM)

We didn't then and the only real reason we do now is because of the multi-faith society not knowing which day to take off work.




tazzygirl -> RE: Religion Discriminates (9/10/2009 3:23:01 PM)

Hmmm.. so... hospitals had an off switch for sundays? Police didnt work? The military shut down?

So many did work... even those who thought it went against their religion. Here is the deal. To keep the sabbath holy was a way to get people to rest and take time out for church, community and family. People still worked. Chores were still done. People who had farms still had to see to their animals and crops (farmers never had a day off). Meals still had to be prepared and children still needed to be taken care of. No one truly had a day off. Many businesses also used it as an excuse to not be open, thus saving money in both overtime, union wages for working on sundays (which many places had to pay time and a half or double time, if my memory is correct).

So, you see, this "law" did not allow the religious to have a day off. They still worked.




SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: Religion Discriminates (9/10/2009 3:30:42 PM)

People worked in hospitals in the modern era through necessity i.e. the laws were altered to allow for it just as they were altered again to avoid discrimination of other faiths. To say respecting the Sabbath didn't strictly mean don't work ignores the seven day notion and the laws we had to restrict working. Now you can say they existed to encourage church attendance but the laws existed to stop work for the whole day not just a portion of it in the morning. Most Sunday service happened before midday so why not were the laws for just before that time?

Hospitals they probably didn't have when the bible was written.




tazzygirl -> RE: Religion Discriminates (9/10/2009 3:50:35 PM)

LOL... and this is one of the problems with debating religion. Everything evolves.. as did labor laws.

I knew i wasnt too far off....

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Must employees be paid time and a half for Sunday work?
See MGL c.136, s. 6. According to Your Rights on the Job by Robert M. Schwartz, 4th ed. (Labor Guild of Boston, 2000) :

"With the exception of retail stores (see below), employers do not have to pay overtime for Sunday work unless weekly hours exceed 40 or if overtime compensation on Sundays is required by union contract.

Retail stores. Amendments in 1994 allow retail stores to open at any time on Sundays. The following rules apply:

•Retail stores may not require employees to work on Sundays and may not take adverse actions against employees who decline work.
•Non-managerial employees who work on Sundays must be paid time and one half wages, regardless of how many hours are worked during the week (this obligation does not apply to stores which employ seven or fewer persons, including the proprietor, on each day during the week)
•Employees may not work seven consecutive days


Excuse the source.. lol... im sorta running on empty this week...

http://www.lawlib.state.ma.us/subject/about/employmentfaq.html#sunday

This may also be of note...

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Some of the laws apply to commerce generally, while others target specific business practices. For example, a Michigan law specifically prohibits pawnshops from operating on Sundays. A North Carolina law prohibits hunting on Sunday.

Supporters contend blue laws serve valid secular purposes, such as providing a uniform day of rest and reducing workloads on police departments (in the case of laws restricting alcohol sales and the potentially resulting law-enforcement problems).

Critics charge that the laws are economically burdensome and violate the religious-liberty clauses of the First Amendment. Some argue the laws violate the free-exercise clause by imposing a disadvantage on those whose Sabbath day is not Sunday, while others argue the laws violate the establishment clause by endorsing and advancing Christianity. Still others say that the laws — though religious in origin — are now justified by secular purposes.

Blue laws have a long history and tradition in the United States, dating to Colonial times. Colonial leaders simply followed the model of such laws in England. However, Sabbath laws mandating a day of rest on Sunday surfaced in the Roman Empire in the 4th century A.D. with the influence of Christianity.



http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/rel_liberty/free_exercise/topic.aspx?topic=blue_laws

Many blue laws didnt allow many secular things. I really never saw any harm in restricting alcohol sales on sunday mornings... or any morning... Drunks could use some drying out time... lol.




tazzygirl -> RE: Religion Discriminates (9/10/2009 3:52:43 PM)


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ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3

People worked in hospitals in the modern era through necessity i.e. the laws were altered to allow for it just as they were altered again to avoid discrimination of other faiths. To say respecting the Sabbath didn't strictly mean don't work ignores the seven day notion and the laws we had to restrict working. Now you can say they existed to encourage church attendance but the laws existed to stop work for the whole day not just a portion of it in the morning. Most Sunday service happened before midday so why not were the laws for just before that time?

Hospitals they probably didn't have when the bible was written.



Modern era? What about Florence Nightingale? without a doubt, nurses and Doctors have always worked in hospitals on the sabath... no matter what that sabbath was. to assume that life takes a back seat to any religion is rather judgemental when you dont know what you are speaking about.




SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: Religion Discriminates (9/10/2009 3:56:44 PM)

Gods work is not work how about a Vicar?

Please I was around when trading on Sunday was illegal we all knew the reasons, don’t try to con me into thinking I didn’t know what they were.




tazzygirl -> RE: Religion Discriminates (9/10/2009 4:03:54 PM)

Im not trying to con anyone. But dont try and sit there and say Christians didnt work till the laws changed. I highly doubt you will find many who will say the god the serve would be angry at them for making a living, paying their bills and taking care of their families.

And, as far as i know, Vicars work just as hard on sunday as the rest do. And through the week.




SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: Religion Discriminates (9/10/2009 4:09:14 PM)

How do any of those things relate to shopping for fashion items that can be put off for one day? It is worlds apart and a tenuous justification at best.

The thing is you once again are interpreting one of the ten commandments as you wish so therefore I can interpret them all as being totally meaningless because for all intents and purpose they are if you are going to interpret them to your convenience.




tazzygirl -> RE: Religion Discriminates (9/10/2009 4:14:49 PM)

I dont know... unless its food, i dont shop on sundays. you would have to ask someone who does. and im not interpreting them for my convenience. if i were, i would have included all ten as being viable, alive and necessary for living in today's world.

I have already conceded that wasnt the case. Please, dont put words into my mouth, or assume you know what i am saying. Instead, ask, as i have of you.

And, just so you know, because someone interprets something in a way differently than you do does not make it invalid... else... the whole point of science, politics, health, religion and philosophy would be just as invalid.




KYsissy -> RE: Religion Discriminates (9/10/2009 4:25:06 PM)

The Jew thinks the Christian is wrong, The Christian thinks the jew and the Muslim is wrong, Basically all religions think the other religions are wrong.

What if they are ALL wrong?  What if this great, vast universe, we inhabit is but an atom, in pus, in a pimple, on a hog on some farm in the great cosmos?

Maybe none of it matters?

In the end I refer you to Ben Franklin . . .

"“Behold the rain which descends from heaven upon our vineyards; there it enters the roots of the vines, to be changed into wine; a constant proof that God loves us, and loves to see us happy.”"

So have a drink of wine because God wants us to.




tazzygirl -> RE: Religion Discriminates (9/10/2009 4:30:49 PM)

LOL.. funny! i was just thinking the odds of Ben's kite being struck by lightening was high, especially at that time... yet it happened.. and he lived. I could not help what would have changed,, or not changed... if that one event had not occured, despite all the odds.




DesFIP -> RE: Religion Discriminates (9/10/2009 4:33:06 PM)

Actually one of the Jewish prayers, the Aleynu, ends with "On that day God shall be one, and God's name shall be one". Hardly a prayer for the overthrow and downfall of any other religion.
Reconstructionist version.




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