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SpinnerofTales -> RE: When they all agree, you know you screwed up (9/11/2009 9:13:48 PM)
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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY
Why are you talking about "Death Panels"?
Is it because you can't talk about the real issue, about Obama telling an "untruth" or "spun" version of the facts vis-a-vis the health care plan, and the coverage of illegals?
No, Firm, we are talking about Death Panels because YOU brought it up in your post, admitted it was a lie and then started whining about "but it's you Dems who started lying so we have no choice but to lie too" and then claim that, though the idea of Death Panels was indeed a bald faced lie, it was a "higher truth". That put the subject into play.
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And that, according to his own words, what you do to people who do such a thing is "call them out"?
Which is what Wilson did.
All in accordance with the President's explicit desire and directions.
What's to complain about, other than the venue and historical "standards of decorum"? I acknowledge that Wilson violated those, and he apologized and the apology was accepted.
Firm, there are times when where you do something is as important as what you do. Urinating in the bathroom is a normal and acceptable thing. Urinating on the dining room table is strongly frowned upon. If you can't tell the difference, these posts are unlikely to do you much good. What Wilson did was bring the level of partisan ugliness to a new and previously unheard of level. Though it seems impossible, he dumbed down the discussion. Your posting at least seemed rather supportive of that action. When you bold face words like "folk hero" you give that impression.
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But I also don't care anymore that such a thing might offend the left. I too have learned something from them.
Calling people with who you have a difference of opinion a "liar" is a very, very common left trick, in order to 1) anger the opponent (being called a liar is considered "fighting words") and 2) deflect from the actual point or issue under discussion.
DomKen does it all the time. SpinnerofTails uses it. You just used it. Many of the far left of center posters use it. Obama uses it. Now the right is starting to use it.
So, where do you think this is going to lead us? The use of such "debate" tactics has been effective against much of the right because we more often have attempted to actually discuss, rather than "isolate, personalize, insult and marginalize" our opponents.
Once again, the whine is served. It grows so wearisome for you to critisize something and the excuse doing it because the "left did it.". It's an old tired horse and would have safeworded a long time ago if it wasn't dead. Stop beating it. I think any parent would back me up when I say that crying "But THEY started it" is not an acceptable excuse for anything. At the very least show the backbone to accept responsibility for what you do, rather than committing an offense you personally rail against and then wailing like a victim.
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You think this is going to end up well? I don't.
Would you like to see this end well? Perhaps you could start by ceasing to lie, to cite articles gleaned from sites that carry stories like "Obama fucks sheep: Is this the Change We Can Believe In? and blaming the left for the fact that you have abandoned every principal of reasonable discussion you claim to support. Perhaps then you would get the respect you feel so sadly lacking towards your postings.
Ceasing to yell "Alinsky, Alinsky" would also be welcome but I don't want to ask too much.
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