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RE: Have Fun Teabagging Washington - 9/13/2009 5:55:42 PM

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Glad we got that disagreement out of the way. Under Obamacare, if you have a cough, you could likely die of lung cancer, pneumonia or some other 'overlooked' problem before a doctor gets around to scheduling an appointment with you to determine the cause of your 'cough'.

I really really hate it when someone makes up their own reality and expects others to accept it.

The various and sundry HRC bills are all available online and none of them would cause any sort of delay with seeing a GP or specialist. The public option being discussed is just a government run health insurance plan i.e. it would affect where the docs get their checks from not when they deliver care.

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RE: Have Fun Teabagging Washington - 9/13/2009 6:14:12 PM

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Glad we got that disagreement out of the way. Under Obamacare, if you have a cough, you could likely die of lung cancer, pneumonia or some other 'overlooked' problem before a doctor gets around to scheduling an appointment with you to determine the cause of your 'cough'.

I really really hate it when someone makes up their own reality and expects others to accept it.

The various and sundry HRC bills are all available online and none of them would cause any sort of delay with seeing a GP or specialist. The public option being discussed is just a government run health insurance plan i.e. it would affect where the docs get their checks from not when they deliver care.

Yes, but that would involve turning off the radio, reading the bill, and thinking for themselves. That's a lot to ask of these people.

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RE: Have Fun Teabagging Washington - 9/13/2009 6:33:56 PM

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I really really hate it when someone makes up their own reality and expects others to accept it.

The various and sundry HRC bills are all available online and none of them would cause any sort of delay with seeing a GP or specialist. The public option being discussed is just a government run health insurance plan i.e. it would affect where the docs get their checks from not when they deliver care.

DomKen:

WHO is going to pay for Obamacare? He's already cut COLA increases for the next two years for senior citizens and disabled people who collect Social Security that they paid into throughout their entire working careers.

They had no choice to opt out. The U.S. government FORCED them to pay into Social Security and now as they age or become disabled, Obama is putting a two year hold on their COLA even though the cost of living keeps increasing.

That means that in 2010 and 2011 the most vulnerable and needy are losing benefits they need to survive and pay their rent, medical costs (under Medicare which only pays 80% of all medical costs) and with the cost of utilities going up along with the general cost of living, Obama is already taking money from the elderly and disabled to cover his Obamacare for a younger and healthier population.

When any government increases the amount of care they're going to provide to young and healthy people, the older and disabled people lose benefits. Do you have elderly parents or elderly grandparents who are forced to make a choice between eating or getting medical care under Medicare? I do, and it breaks my heart. I try to do as much as I can to help my aging mother but my own financial resources are severely restricted right now.

This is of particular concern to me since my mother is 76 years old and can barely pay her monthly bills now. With a two year 'no increase' to senior citizens or disabled citizens, this is unacceptable to me. Most of the people Obama wants to cover are younger people, able to work, in much better health, and if they were willing to give up some of their luxury items, could actually afford insurance. But no, they're depending on taking money from senior citizens and disabled citizens so Obama can cover their overly indulgent asses to make sure they get free medical care.

Obama clearly stated in his presidential campaign that he would take from those who 'have' and give to those who 'don't have'. Even at the expense of condeming elderly and disabled people to deal with cuts in their own benefits that they payed all of their lives for. He's taking away from the most vulnerable U.S. citizens money they need to just meet their rent and utility bills to give it to people who COULD work if they just had the decency to get off their collective asses and get off the internet and get real jobs.

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RE: Have Fun Teabagging Washington - 9/13/2009 6:36:38 PM

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Yes, but that would involve turning off the radio, reading the bill, and thinking for themselves. That's a lot to ask of these people.

You are another one who clearly doesn't have a clue as to what Obama is forcing senior citizens and legitimately disabled people to sacrifice so that young and healthy people can get a free ride at the expense of people who've paid into Social Security their entire working lives.

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RE: Have Fun Teabagging Washington - 9/13/2009 6:38:18 PM

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Most of the people Obama wants to cover are younger people, able to work, in much better health, and if they were willing to give up some of their luxury items, could actually afford insurance. But no, they're depending on taking money from senior citizens and disabled citizens so Obama can cover their overly indulgent asses to make sure they get free medical care.

Obama clearly stated in his presidential campaign that he would take from those who 'have' and give to those who 'don't have'. Even at the expense of condeming elderly and disabled people to deal with cuts in their own benefits that they payed all of their lives for. He's taking away from the most vulnerable U.S. citizens money they need to just meet their rent and utility bills to give it to people who COULD work if they just had the decency to get off their collective asses and get off the internet and get real jobs.

Your post looks like a well-constructed argument, but can you support this central assertion with some data?

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RE: Have Fun Teabagging Washington - 9/13/2009 8:32:14 PM

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WHO is going to pay for Obamacare? He's already cut COLA increases for the next two years for senior citizens and disabled people who collect Social Security that they paid into throughout their entire working careers.
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Actually, Leiren, I think you have your facts wrong. Obama did not freeze COLA on social security. COLAs are determined by the rate of inflation over a given year. This formula for COLA on social security was put in place in 1975 when Gerald Ford was president. Due to the current economic meltdown, not of Obama's making, there is overall no inflation and so no COLA. Unfortunately, medical costs have risen even in this poor economy (a sign that our current system is not working). The result is that while social security checks won't rise, the deduction for medicare will. This is in no way Obamas decision. He is far from the source of this admittedly severe problem. If you like, you can read up on it at: http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2009/08/social_security_payments_to_di.html

I would very much like to see the administration address this problem, but this certainly is not a result of any health care reform legislation, nor any decision by the administration. The problem, though serious, is entirely unrelated to any efforts on the part of Obama to try to reform the healthcare system.It is my hope that, before the medicare deductions rise, a solution is found to keep the recipients from suffering a loss to much needed and deserved income.

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RE: Have Fun Teabagging Washington - 9/13/2009 8:39:15 PM

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There is no COLA for 2010 because there has been no inflation in 2009. That's what determines if a COLA is made. This isn't a decision by anyone but a statutory process that involves the official rate of inflation. Projections are that price deflation will continue into 2010 so a COLA won't be made in 2011 either unless the situation changes. However benefits won't be reduced and with prices deflating your elderly parents benefits will increase in buying power so they still come out ahead.

So if you're wrong about that maybe you should reexamine your sources of information on the rest.

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RE: Have Fun Teabagging Washington - 9/13/2009 8:54:24 PM

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I agree with this guy it is really all about operation monkey shit:

Ian Gurvitz: The GOP Strategy: Operation Monkeyshit 3 Sep 2009

... The GOP's goal from the second the president took office was to bring him down. Their sole intention is diminishing the president's ...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ian-gurvitz/the-gop-strategy-operatio_b_276729.html

I think this one deserves its own thread. Will you do the honor or should I?

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RE: Have Fun Teabagging Washington - 9/14/2009 9:07:36 AM

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ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales

Actually, Leiren, I think you have your facts wrong. Obama did not freeze COLA on social security. COLAs are determined by the rate of inflation over a given year. This formula for COLA on social security was put in place in 1975 when Gerald Ford was president. Due to the current economic meltdown, not of Obama's making, there is overall no inflation and so no COLA. Unfortunately, medical costs have risen even in this poor economy (a sign that our current system is not working). The result is that while social security checks won't rise, the deduction for medicare will. This is in no way Obamas decision. He is far from the source of this admittedly severe problem. If you like, you can read up on it at: http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2009/08/social_security_payments_to_di.html

I would very much like to see the administration address this problem, but this certainly is not a result of any health care reform legislation, nor any decision by the administration. The problem, though serious, is entirely unrelated to any efforts on the part of Obama to try to reform the healthcare system.It is my hope that, before the medicare deductions rise, a solution is found to keep the recipients from suffering a loss to much needed and deserved income.

Thanks so much for the additional info, Spinner. The article you provided still made it clear that Medicare premiums for Part B, and Part D appear to be increasing. To me, that's still a cost of living increase. The article also noted that Obama won't be addressing social security until next year.

A lot of senior and disabled people are going to hurting by the time that happens. I do appreciate your taking time to explain things more clearly for me though.

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RE: Have Fun Teabagging Washington - 9/14/2009 9:33:15 AM

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I agree with this guy it is really all about operation monkey shit:

Ian Gurvitz: The GOP Strategy: Operation Monkeyshit 3 Sep 2009

... The GOP's goal from the second the president took office was to bring him down. Their sole intention is diminishing the president's ...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ian-gurvitz/the-gop-strategy-operatio_b_276729.html

I think this one deserves its own thread. Will you do the honor or should I?

Good idea!

How about this for a title; "WHY IS THE LEFT SO ANGRY?"

Maybe they should start with explaining why the author, obviously a 'political expert' based upon his years of experience as a "TV writer/Producer"; needed to represent the intellectual nature of himself and his perspective by needing to use the word "shit". Fully appreciating of course, as the link points out, the impact of using the word and how it draws out their 'intellectual' constituency as it has here.

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RE: Have Fun Teabagging Washington - 9/14/2009 9:57:54 AM

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Impeach the Muslim Marxist.

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RE: Have Fun Teabagging Washington - 9/14/2009 10:29:02 AM

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I liked the one that said, 'NOW look" Nice people FORCED to protest, This must be serious! We came unarmed....This time"

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RE: Have Fun Teabagging Washington - 9/14/2009 10:41:22 AM

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These people are so full of love, it's nearly too much to take

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RE: Have Fun Teabagging Washington - 9/14/2009 10:46:41 AM

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All of the anger is aimed at government, while Wall St laughs its ass off, and then uses its money to re-elect the government that "took the heat" for them, heat that was orchestrated by stupid common people busy with the left vs. right debate.

Wall St created an unregulated financial instrument that turned the unqualified borrower into a profit center, and created $700 trillion (7 times the GDP of the planet) worth of unregulated "insurance", backed by no assets, to cover the risk. Now the house of cards has collpased, and AIG (just one company of many) has already been bailed out $182 billion towards that $700 trillion. Good news for you tea-partiers, only $6.82 trillion left to go to defuse the financial WMDs built by the bankers! You can be damn sure a recoverd Wall St wont use it's profits and proceeds to defuse the bomb.

Government is doing what is required to keep those WMD's from exploding. Where is the anger that should be directed at those who built the financial WMDs? Has there EVER been a tea party on Wall St since this crisis started?

The stupidity of the people who talk loud, but target the wrong target, speaks VOLUMES.

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RE: Have Fun Teabagging Washington - 9/14/2009 11:04:46 AM

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I'm a little confused. In this thread http://www.collarchat.com/m_1985723/mpage_1/tm.htm everyone seems to think the protesters were doing a great job, but now we are supposed to sit quietly and cheer everything the current administration does?

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RE: Have Fun Teabagging Washington - 9/14/2009 11:10:55 AM

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Not a whole lot of respect for the office in that thread, was there.

Its fun to take these little trips down memory lane sometimes...

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RE: Have Fun Teabagging Washington - 9/14/2009 11:18:35 AM

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Well, Bush, Cheney & Co. are war criminals. There is a not-so-subtle difference between a wave of protests after eight years of complete bullshit, and the obviously xenophobic slant taken by the current protesters.

Did you see the lovely photo of the guys gleefully taking pictures of Obama's poster covered in horse shit? Please, stop arguing that what's going on today is laudable: it isn't on par with what happened yesterday.

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RE: Have Fun Teabagging Washington - 9/14/2009 11:27:58 AM

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Not a whole lot of respect for the office in that thread, was there.
Its fun to take these little trips down memory lane sometimes...

Sanity,

We have 'Goodwin's Law' for playing the 'Nazi card'.
We have the 'Alinsky Rules' for outing agendas.

How about adding a 'Lincoln Proclamation' for those occasions when people are providing proof?

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RE: Have Fun Teabagging Washington - 9/14/2009 11:41:24 AM

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They had had 8 years of Bush's bullshit, they were entitled to be pissed off....you poooor poor teabaggers now have only been under Obama 7 months, its more than a little pathetic.
As an aside its nice to see that DA was wrong wrong wrong on so many things
Thank you for making my day complete
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RE: Have Fun Teabagging Washington - 9/14/2009 12:05:37 PM

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Well, Bush, Cheney & Co. are war criminals. There is a not-so-subtle difference between a wave of protests after eight years of complete bullshit, and the obviously xenophobic slant taken by the current protesters.

Did you see the lovely photo of the guys gleefully taking pictures of Obama's poster covered in horse shit? Please, stop arguing that what's going on today is laudable: it isn't on par with what happened yesterday.

Of course it is different, those were liberals so they were only voicing their opinion of the corruption in government. But these are conservatives and we all know that means they are wrong.

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