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RE: Have Fun Teabagging Washington - 9/14/2009 6:15:06 PM   
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So the organizers were so underwhelmed by the crowd they used photos of other demonastrations to try and convince people the crowd was bigger? That's staggeringly funny.

BTW for those who are confused about the actual crowd size read the first hand reports. The crowd was very small for D.C. rallies. The anti abortion groups do better every year on the anniversary of Roe v Wade (the March for Life).

If the crowd didn't even get to Third Street from the Capital steps it was about what the FD said 60k. maybe if they really packed in 80 or 100k but not more, the inauguration got more in by having them in chairs tightly packed which means less than 5^2 feet per person. You have to remember that a big chunk of the area right there is the Capital Reflecting Pool so there is comparitively little square footage to stand there . Really big events put their speakers up near the Washington Monument and turn the whole crowd around. If this protest's organizers chose the Capital steps they were expecting a tiny turnout.

Hmmm.

I didn't know that you believed that the New York Times was a lying rag-sheet ...

You guys can squirm all you want, claim all kinds of stuff, but the fact is that the rally had many more "regular" people show up than the wildest expectations. And they weren't even paid to show up!

Ya know, I really kinda like that you guys so underestimate the discontent out there. It'll help make you make false projections and plans.

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RE: Have Fun Teabagging Washington - 9/14/2009 6:21:13 PM   
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Hmmm.

I didn't know that you believed that the New York Times was a lying rag-sheet ...
Some on the right have stated as much.

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You guys can squirm all you want, claim all kinds of stuff, but the fact is that the rally had many more "regular" people show up than the wildest expectations. And they weren't even paid to show up!
Granted,more showed up than were expected. Doesn't actually mean that much really.

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Ya know, I really kinda like that you guys so underestimate the discontent out there. It'll help make you make false projections and plans.
When the economy picks up, most of that discontent will fade.



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RE: Have Fun Teabagging Washington - 9/14/2009 6:23:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		It doesnt matter if 10 or 10 million showed up Firm. I honestly dont know why you are making a big deal out of this. Im glad they had their tea party. Im glad they voiced their feelings. Its their right, and, to be honest, i feel their obligation, to do so. I have no doubt that if the economy wasnt as bad as it is, there would have been more.

But, please, dont read more into this than that. And i will explain why.

As things start to get heated up, i dont think this will be over anytime soon. Its still a long, hard battle towards any kind of goals. I do believe that both sides of the government are finally listening to "we the people" and just starting to understand the seriousness of this issue beyond a political debate and some pocket money.

They finally are understanding their jobs are on the line. We have a President who isnt afraid to speak his mind, and quite a few Congressmen and women who arent either. Its this kind of heated debate, one the people are willing to fight for and against, that will show who the true leaders of this country are, and who the dead weight is.

In the end, in 3 years, i forsee many seats changing, both sides potentially losing out, perhaps other parties filling in... but.. in the end... there will be little change in government... if "we the people" allow them to continue as normal.

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RE: Have Fun Teabagging Washington - 9/14/2009 6:36:54 PM   
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perhaps other parties filling in...
In the US? Not in this lifetime.

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RE: Have Fun Teabagging Washington - 9/14/2009 6:37:28 PM   
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RE: Have Fun Teabagging Washington - 9/14/2009 7:07:22 PM   
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We have a President who isnt afraid to speak his mind. 


Whoa. Wait a minute. You mean TOTUS (Teleprompter of the United States). Obama has yet to deliver any kind of speech that he didn't have a teleprompter in front of him. On the few occasions the teleprompter failed to work, he was left staring and stuttering.

Obama isn't nearly as smart as some of you think. He's just done the Chicago style political thing of surrounding himself with speech writers who are better at spinning. But when the teleprompter malfunctions he can't carry on with any coherency.


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RE: Have Fun Teabagging Washington - 9/14/2009 7:12:10 PM   
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Whoa. Wait a minute. You mean TOTUS (Teleprompter of the United States). Obama has yet to deliver any kind of speech that he didn't have a teleprompter in front of him. On the few occasions the teleprompter failed to work, he was left staring and stuttering.

Obama isn't nearly as smart as some of you think. He's just done the Chicago style political thing of surrounding himself with speech writers who are better at spinning. But when the teleprompter malfunctions he can't carry on with any coherency.
And this differs from other politicians how? The politician who writes his own speeches is a rare thing today. Hell my cousin has been a freelance speech writer for decades now...she'll write a speech on any topic for anybody, just tell her what points you want to make and voila! a custom made speech.

Now I am going to be a good lefty and watch Soderbergh's Che...see you all later, play nice while I watch my movie.


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RE: Have Fun Teabagging Washington - 9/14/2009 7:18:20 PM   
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Lets talk about stuttering, shall we?

He certainly didnt pull any punches (Obama didnt) in his address.

As far as teleprompter use, all of them used it.

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RE: Have Fun Teabagging Washington - 9/14/2009 7:47:47 PM   
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I agree with this guy it is really all about operation monkey shit:

Ian Gurvitz: The GOP Strategy: Operation Monkeyshit 3 Sep 2009

... The GOP's goal from the second the president took office was to bring him down. Their sole intention is diminishing the president's ...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ian-gurvitz/the-gop-strategy-operatio_b_276729.html


I think this one deserves its own thread.  Will you do the honor or should I?


Good idea!

How about this for a title; "WHY IS THE LEFT SO ANGRY?"

Maybe they should start with explaining why the author, obviously a 'political expert' based upon his years of experience as a "TV writer/Producer"; needed to represent the intellectual nature of himself and his perspective by needing to use the word "shit". Fully appreciating of course, as the link points out, the impact of using the word and how it draws out their 'intellectual' constituency as it has here.


Not a bad idea for the thread title.

Because I, for one, have been getting more and more angry at the nonsense being tossed around by conservatives.

I have no problem with debating an issue with people who disagree.

I do have a problem when the argument starts to center on obvious nonsense like "death panels".

So I think the use of the term throwing shit to be very appropriate.

One could even argue it's an elegant description of what has been happening since Obama took office.

You know, the office of the Presidency, which he is illegally occupying since he is not a U.S. citizen?

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RE: Have Fun Teabagging Washington - 9/14/2009 7:51:23 PM   
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Whoa. Wait a minute. You mean TOTUS (Teleprompter of the United States). Obama has yet to deliver any kind of speech that he didn't have a teleprompter in front of him. On the few occasions the teleprompter failed to work, he was left staring and stuttering.

Obama isn't nearly as smart as some of you think. He's just done the Chicago style political thing of surrounding himself with speech writers who are better at spinning. But when the teleprompter malfunctions he can't carry on with any coherency.



That's just not true.. Clearly, it throws him off his rhythm; but I've seen him speak extemporaneously a number  of times, and in almost every case he did an excellent job.

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RE: Have Fun Teabagging Washington - 9/14/2009 8:30:04 PM   
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More reality based estimates:

An Impression Of The Protest:

How many people were at the big 9/12 "Tea Party" protest?


March on Washington: How Big Was the Crowd?:



Well, you've definitely convinced me.

If Transterrestrial Musings and The Ancient & Noble Order of the Gormogons says it is true that's certainly good enough for me.

Not to mention our old favorite, Pajamas Media.






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RE: Have Fun Teabagging Washington - 9/15/2009 12:18:53 AM   
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Well, you've definitely convinced me.

If Transterrestrial Musings and The Ancient & Noble Order of the Gormogons says it is true that's certainly good enough for me.

Not to mention our old favorite, Pajamas Media.
He does have a point here Firm, you could have picked some slightly more believable sources.




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RE: Have Fun Teabagging Washington - 9/15/2009 5:30:04 AM   
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Well, you've definitely convinced me.

If Transterrestrial Musings and The Ancient & Noble Order of the Gormogons says it is true that's certainly good enough for me.

Not to mention our old favorite, Pajamas Media.
He does have a point here Firm, you could have picked some slightly more believable sources.




Arpig,

You know .. I quote the NYT, and USAToday, and have mentioned them several times .... and have utter silence from the left, even when I poke them about them.

Then, when I post other analysis, in which mathematical calculations are used. You, rule, tazzy, et al, talk about "sources", but not a single one of you have mentioned any of the math and assumptions in their caculations.

I think there is a name for trying to impeach a source, without even considering the actual facts.

Who among you has taken on the facts?

Not a single one. Nada. No one.

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RE: Have Fun Teabagging Washington - 9/15/2009 5:36:38 AM   
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Hmmm.

I didn't know that you believed that the New York Times was a lying rag-sheet ...
Some on the right have stated as much.

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You guys can squirm all you want, claim all kinds of stuff, but the fact is that the rally had many more "regular" people show up than the wildest expectations. And they weren't even paid to show up!
Granted,more showed up than were expected. Doesn't actually mean that much really.

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Ya know, I really kinda like that you guys so underestimate the discontent out there. It'll help make you make false projections and plans.
When the economy picks up, most of that discontent will fade.



Arpig,

It's possible it won't mean that much, in the long run.

It's also possible that the economy will pick up and it will fade away.

But I'm not sure I'd lay odds on either of those two things.

First, the basics of the economy really aren't that changed from before the billions of bailouts. I read an article the other day, that the economist that predicted the current situation is saying that it very likely that we are heading for a slight improvement, followed by a sustained downtrend. Primarily because nothing has really changed, especially with the large banks. They are as exposed as before, and even more concentrated.

As well, and especially if the current administration is able to pass "Health Care (Insurance) Reform" close to what has been proposed (in any of the proposals), then the effects will not be good, economically.

Plus, the "Bush" tax cuts are due to expire next year (instant tax increase).

My medium projections is that the Dem's will lose some seats next election, but (maybe) still have control. If they continue on their policies of increased taxation, pulling more and more of the economy under government control, pass Cap and Trade, and achieve some of there other legislative desires ... then we are in for several more years of a worsening economy.

Generally, politics don't "settle down" when the economy gets worse. The contrary, actually.

I strongly suspect that the protest we've seen so far as just the tip of the iceberg.

Firm



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RE: Have Fun Teabagging Washington - 9/15/2009 5:40:06 AM   
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I couldnt give a flying fart how it sounds to you.

It seems that you do.
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I couldnt give a damn if it was one, two or three hundred thousand or million.

Then why post about it, especially right after my post where I give some pretty reliable information that the "official" estimates were way low?
Your information wasnt reliable, I had just read the information I gave regarding the conservatives  posting a picture that was taken years ago, I was annoyed that once again the right
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I mentioned the discrepancies and other reports

Why, if you didn't "give a damn"?

Your "" did not even address any of my post's points.
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dont be so quick to make assumptions...

What assumptions would those be?
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dick waving and chest thumping over who has the best political protest is just an exercise in mental masturbation and doesnt prove anything but does make the masturbator happy.

So why did you post, if not in an attempt to support the meme that the protestor was a "small, minor" event? Just "providing information", huh? Why all the anger, Lucy? You just expect to post a hit-n-run piece, and not have anyone challenge you? That's what the P&R forums are all about, the give and take of ideas.

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Im hardly angry Firm, cynical and sarcastic(which for me is a typical day) , at the way you distort  and manipulate  posts so that the facts are not as important as trying to make the other person look wrong.
Ive watched you do it many times, you assume, you guess, you figure, all these different terms to call out the poster not the content.
I had finished reading several accounts of the protest and simply posted what I had read.
In all the posts I made I stated I was just pointing out numbers etc, yet you continue to call me out to explain myself, not gonna happen, because there is no ulterior motive beyond getting fed up with all the nonsense and crappy links you have started giving out lately.
If you tried to be intellectually honest again it might help my cynicism. I used to learn a lot from you, but now all that is tainted.
Im sure we will all survive this however
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RE: Have Fun Teabagging Washington - 9/15/2009 6:45:45 AM   
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Then, when I post other analysis, in which mathematical calculations are used. You, rule, tazzy, et al, talk about "sources", but not a single one of you have mentioned any of the math and assumptions in their caculations.
Oh come on Firm, you have to admit that a site claiming tobe a secret society dedicated tothe return of the Kingdom of Poland-Lithuania has gotto be just a bit much...its either whakos or comedy. And as to why I didn't question the numbers...well if you have been following the thread you would know that I have no interest in how many people showed up. It is utterly meaningless to me. So since I really don't care how many people showed up, since I consider that to be completely irrelevant, why on earth would I  even bother with the math....I don't care how the estimates were arrived at because I don't care  how many people were there.


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RE: Have Fun Teabagging Washington - 9/15/2009 6:48:49 AM   
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RE: Have Fun Teabagging Washington - 9/15/2009 6:50:31 AM   
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It's possible it won't mean that much, in the long run.

It's also possible that the economy will pick up and it will fade away.

But I'm not sure I'd lay odds on either of those two things.
Very possible Firm, though for all our sakes I hope you are wrong about the economy

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First, the basics of the economy really aren't that changed from before the billions of bailouts. I read an article the other day, that the economist that predicted the current situation is saying that it very likely that we are heading for a slight improvement, followed by a sustained downtrend. Primarily because nothing has really changed, especially with the large banks. They are as exposed as before, and even more concentrated.
This is true, and you are right it doesn't bode well over the long term. The entire financial sector needs to be given an overhaul...and dare I say it...firmly regulated.



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RE: Have Fun Teabagging Washington - 9/15/2009 10:02:23 AM   
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Im hardly angry Firm, cynical and sarcastic(which for me is a typical day) , at the way you distort  and manipulate  posts so that the facts are not as important as trying to make the other person look wrong.
Ive watched you do it many times, you assume, you guess, you figure, all these different terms to call out the poster not the content.
I had finished reading several accounts of the protest and simply posted what I had read.
In all the posts I made I stated I was just pointing out numbers etc, yet you continue to call me out to explain myself, not gonna happen, because there is no ulterior motive beyond getting fed up with all the nonsense and crappy links you have started giving out lately.
If you tried to be intellectually honest again it might help my cynicism. I used to learn a lot from you, but now all that is tainted.


Nice post. Well-stated, and far more politely than I did.


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RE: Have Fun Teabagging Washington - 9/15/2009 10:28:03 AM   
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