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9/11...What if it happens again - 9/14/2009 9:09:08 PM   
SpinnerofTales


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Status: offline 		I was watching Bill Mahr and an interest subject was raised. Directly after the destruction of the World Trade Center, there was a great coming together of the American people. For a time, approval ratings of the President was at an amazing 90%. For the weeks after that attack, being a democrat or a republican was no longer so important to us. I personally remember well, when Bush announced that he was sending troops into Afghanistan to find Bin Laden, I supported him fully. To my mind, he was taking the right action at the right time.

Admittedly, it didn't last long. In my opinion, it was one of the greatest failures of the Bush administration that it did not make more of an effort to keep that sense of joining in common purpose intact. But there is no denying that for a time, that feeling did exist and it was a pretty impressive thing to feel no matter what one's political beliefs.

The question is: Should the worst happen and another terrorist attack killed thousands of people, would we again come together as a nation? Would the partisan bickering end or intensify? Would we stand behind our president as he responded to the attack or use the tragedy to advance individual political agendas?

This question is for all: What do you think would happen and why?

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RE: 9/11...What if it happens again - 9/14/2009 9:18:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hard to say. Too many variables, in my opinion. It could go any one of a hundred ways, depending on what exactly happened, how bad the loss of life, how it was handled by the administration  in the first minutes and hours, and on and on. 

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RE: 9/11...What if it happens again - 9/14/2009 9:22:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		A terrorist attack right now in this Country would be a nightmare for the Obama administration. If he appears weak on national defence and we get hit again, his administration is done.

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RE: 9/11...What if it happens again - 9/14/2009 9:41:42 PM   
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i think if we had been attacked again sometime during Bush's continued presidency..and also during the time that the American public began to feel that we went to war over Oil..and not really a war on terrorism, i highly doubt that there would have been any
great coming together of the American people.

Unless it was a great mob of people wanting to impeach... or otherwise get rid of Bush.

Now that we have a new President... i tend to think people would come together once more...and then thus cast a HUGE eye towards Obama...to see what he would do.

Anyways.. i also remember so well how it felt to be part of a country where it didnt matter what party one belonged to.. the US was united as one. i loved how that felt.. and its too bad it didn't last longer.

i do think Bush really dropped the ball on that.. he could have stoked that fire..and kept it burning.. instead of watering it down with fake wars on terrorism.

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RE: 9/11...What if it happens again - 9/14/2009 9:50:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		If you really think that it is a 'fake' war on terrorisim, maybe we should once again let anyone board  an airplane without going through security. If you really believe that this war is over I suggest you talk to anyone at your local sheriff's dept. and work your way up to the FBI. This is not a fake war. People all around the world are dying every day in this war.

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RE: 9/11...What if it happens again - 9/14/2009 10:13:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		'A terrorist attack right now in this Country would be a nightmare for the Obama administration. If he appears weak on national defence and we get hit again, his administration is done.'

Actually if another major attack were to happen in obamas administration he would be in a no-win situation. If he pulls a bush and invades another country the people would not support it. To say nothing of the fact that in order to even do so would require expanding the armed forces and most likely some form of conscription. That would not be tolerated either. That being said if he did not invade said country (as there really isn't anything else you can do in this situation - invade, bomb, issue 'declarations' that he will crack down on terrorism) it is just as bad for him as it makes the administration look weak. Either way hes in a bad situation.

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RE: 9/11...What if it happens again - 9/14/2009 10:22:10 PM   
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RE: 9/11...What if it happens again - 9/14/2009 10:38:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales

I was watching Bill Mahr and an interest subject was raised. Directly after the destruction of the World Trade Center, there was a great coming together of the American people.



I make a point of not endorsing people I find to be bigots by watching their television programs, Spinner, but the question you raise seems good.

I wasn't so impressed by the "coming together" and "surge of patriotism" that the pundits found so moving.  It struck me as shallow, materialistic and uninformed.   By that standard, yes, I think President Obama would do just as well, if not a little better.  It is certainly a time for great orators to step up, and God knows we didn't have that last time 'round.

If the US response to an attack was military, Obama would probably maintain that surge of popularity and support far longer than the shrub did.  Can I risk saying something unpopular, and suggest that conservatives are more willing to put national security ahead of politics than liberals are?  Just my opinion.

On the other hand, if Pres. Obama chose a non-military sort of response, if he trotted out the new phrase "man-made disaster," and suggested we just needed to accept our fate to get bombed once in a while, that support would likely evaporate, and my guess is he would lose a lot of Democrats as well. 

Of course, with 9/11, we had a Texan in the White House.  There were certain assumptions we could make.  We still don't know who this man is.

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RE: 9/11...What if it happens again - 9/14/2009 10:40:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Rhodes85
the people would not support it.


<In very best Bugs Bunny voice>  He don't know us very well, do he?

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RE: 9/11...What if it happens again - 9/14/2009 11:00:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

If the US response to an attack was military, Obama would probably maintain that surge of popularity and support far longer than the shrub did.  Can I risk saying something unpopular, and suggest that conservatives are more willing to put national security ahead of politics than liberals are?  Just my opinion.



.....have to say TH, there appears to be an interesting assumption there. To wit, that the most effective response to a terrorist attack is military. Why do you think this? Can you give an example where it has actually prevented further attacks in the past?

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RE: 9/11...What if it happens again - 9/14/2009 11:21:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well... interesting...

Bu this question would be raised...

What were the Bush people doing that kept it from happening after 9/11 and what changes did the Obama folks do that allowed it?

I am NOT saying that will be a fair question, it may or it may not be but it would be asked and asked loudly.

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RE: 9/11...What if it happens again - 9/14/2009 11:21:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: philosophy

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

If the US response to an attack was military, Obama would probably maintain that surge of popularity and support far longer than the shrub did.  Can I risk saying something unpopular, and suggest that conservatives are more willing to put national security ahead of politics than liberals are?  Just my opinion.



.....have to say TH, there appears to be an interesting assumption there. To wit, that the most effective response to a terrorist attack is military. Why do you think this? Can you give an example where it has actually prevented further attacks in the past?



You know, Phil, I looked at how I had phrased that before I clicked the 'ok' button, and clicked it anyway.  A military response is not automatically going going to be the best option.  I meant to express that conservatives would be more committed to military force by a Democrat, than liberals were to military force by a Republican. 

As for you request of an example, sorry, but I'm not privy to that sort of information.  If we have actionable intelligence though, perhaps a well-placed hellfire missile has saved the day already.  We also have those stories (denied in the strongest of terms) that special forces type operatives could have taken down Osama Bin Laden, but Bill Clinton wouldn't give the order.

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RE: 9/11...What if it happens again - 9/15/2009 3:57:21 AM   
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If you really think that it is a 'fake' war on terrorisim, maybe we should once again let anyone board an airplane without going through security. If you really believe that this war is over I suggest you talk to anyone at your local sheriff's dept. and work your way up to the FBI. This is not a fake war. People all around the world are dying every day in this war. ORIGINAL: servantforuse




You're right, sfu. Isn't a fake war. It is a stupid, badly waged, and self-destructive war. That's what makes it so sad.

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RE: 9/11...What if it happens again - 9/15/2009 4:02:15 AM   
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Of course, with 9/11, we had a Texan in the White House. There were certain assumptions we could make. We still don't know who this man is.ORIGINAL: TheHeretic



How did knowing that he had a big ugly cowboy hat, thought two stepping was the cultural equivalent of ballet and set aside time every day to remember the Alamo help the situation?

(I apologize to all the Texans on this board...I couldn't resist.)

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RE: 9/11...What if it happens again - 9/15/2009 4:04:29 AM   
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What were the Bush people doing that kept it from happening after 9/11 and what changes did the Obama folks do that allowed it?



What about Bush allowing it to happen in the first place????  People seem to forget the great protectors where in charge of all 3 branches of power.  Or are you going to blame it on Clinton, but then say that O'bama is in charge now so only he can be blamed, but when Bush was in charge everyone else can be blamed



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RE: 9/11...What if it happens again - 9/15/2009 4:28:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		Read his whole post housesub, he's not asking that question, he's saying it will be asked, and he even admits it probably wouldn't be fair to ask it..and he's right on both counts.

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RE: 9/11...What if it happens again - 9/15/2009 5:05:53 AM   
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RE: 9/11...What if it happens again - 9/15/2009 5:08:47 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales

The question is: Should the worst happen and another terrorist attack killed thousands of people, would we again come together as a nation? Would the partisan bickering end or intensify? Would we stand behind our president as he responded to the attack or use the tragedy to advance individual political agendas?

This question is for all: What do you think would happen and why?


I would think that it should be obvious.  Of course we would come together, set aside our differences and stand united behind our President.

Alas, the storm is come again! my best way is to creep under his gaberdine; there is no other shelter hereabouts: misery acquaints a man with strange bed-fellows. I will here shroud till the dregs of the storm be past.

It is in mans' nature to ally against a common foe.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

However, after the storm passes, individual political agendas would once more take center stage... with new ammunition. 

Witness those who were once supportive now complain.

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ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales

Admittedly, it didn't last long. In my opinion, it was one of the greatest failures of the Bush administration that it did not make more of an effort to keep that sense of joining in common purpose intact. But there is no denying that for a time, that feeling did exist and it was a pretty impressive thing to feel no matter what one's political beliefs.


What you perceive as a failure could be considered a success.  After all, to prolong the feelings of camaraderie would have meant prolonging the state of emergency and vigilance.  The goal of our leadership was to restore our sense of security.  That we returned to our normal lives (and mutual distrust) so quickly, sent a clear message to our attackers that we will not be so easily terrorized.

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RE: 9/11...What if it happens again - 9/15/2009 6:47:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have watched Congress arm in arm singing on the steps and at least half of them were already looking for a way to stab the guy beside them in the back and turn it to their advantage. As long as we keep electing sleazeballs, any such "coming together" will be a show only. Certain Dems had no intention of backing the president EVER. Certain pubs only wanted to grab more political power. It was an award winning performance but thats all it was... a performance.
Our elected officials do not care for the people. They serve themselves and thats it. They need to be paid on a performance basis. If they skip votes, they get paid less. If they play the partisan bickering game instead of doing their jobs they get paid less. If they make an ass out of themselves in public, they get paid less. By following those simple guidelines, half of congress would be making minimum wage.... and deservedly so.

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RE: 9/11...What if it happens again - 9/15/2009 7:47:11 AM   
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Of course we would come together, set aside our differences and stand united behind our President.


You really think so KY?

You don' think that his public proclamation of eliminating any CIA interrogation technique such as water-boarding, will cause a finger to of responsibility pointed directly at the administration? It will be claimed that too much of the intelligence community resources were being spent investigating what occurred over the past 8 years when there wasn't another attack which should have been used preventing this one. The "I will talk with the enemies of the US" quote from the President will be placed over the bodies of the dead.

The situation is yet another corner painted by campaign rhetoric.

We all better hope it doesn't happen because it could be the flash-point for active and violent protests if not a total civil war.

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