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FawneTwo -> RE: Too Picky??? (9/21/2009 10:28:10 AM)

The OP is not politically correct.

For an eyeball toning isometric read his girl friend's journal. She has a real bent for parody.

Its not like he said he will whip her to tears



"Good Morning Los Angeles! It's Half After Noon!" a cultural experience and vaudeville road show




NihilusZero -> RE: Too Picky??? (9/21/2009 10:41:02 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Andalusite

NZ, I agree that wanting a "fuckdoll" is fairly common in D/s and M/s, but most women don't want extensive plastic surgery to go with it.

Although there are plenty of women that choose that path all on their own. The prerequisites aren't all that far-fetched.

I think what has many people's inner alarm bells going off is the tone of the profile seeming brisk, immediate, and up front. Minor grammatical nuances like the use of "will" instead of "would" in the profile create a passively near-confrontational mood in the writing...a sense of expectation.

Aside from that and the difficulty (statistically) of finding a slave suitable for his requests, I don't see anything too alarming.




FawneTwo -> RE: Too Picky??? (9/21/2009 11:00:45 AM)

Dr. Fawne steps up to the podium. " The Original Poster has sadistic tendencies". He holds up a mirror and illusion may be most kind

Perfection will remain unattainable, as it slips through fingers like sand. Life is too short.....

Who else is fighting windmills?


[nerd here and bad]
wwohhhhboyyy




daintydimples -> RE: Too Picky??? (9/21/2009 1:14:00 PM)

Although there are plenty of women that choose that path all on their own. The prerequisites aren't all that far-fetched.

I think what has many people's inner alarm bells going off is the tone of the profile seeming brisk, immediate, and up front. Minor grammatical nuances like the use of "will" instead of "would" in the profile create a passively near-confrontational mood in the writing...a sense of expectation.

Aside from that and the difficulty (statistically) of finding a slave suitable for his requests, I don't see anything too alarming.


As usual, NZ makes a fine point. But, from a female point of view at least, the negative response is not just about what he wants. It's that it seems to be ALL he wants.






FawneTwo -> RE: Too Picky??? (9/21/2009 1:22:08 PM)

You are right, to each her/his own. I still think objectification is hot.




Lockit -> RE: Too Picky??? (9/21/2009 2:14:45 PM)

Objectification is fine unless that is all you get.




FawneTwo -> RE: Too Picky??? (9/21/2009 3:13:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lockit

Objectification is fine unless that is all you get.


Lockit that would be a nightmare you just gave me the chills
thanks though : )




Elipsis -> RE: Too Picky??? (9/21/2009 5:23:37 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Bimtrain


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ORIGINAL: Elipsis

Perfect is such a dangerous word.

I could never live up to my own definition of perfection, let alone expect someone else to.

Maybe this is obvious so forgive me, but "perfect" for one person is far from the ideal for someone else.



As I said before, it is not perfection I seek. It is someone who will strive for perfection. Coming up short is to be expected.


Fair enough, but what if their definition of perfection isn't the same as yours?  Should they craft themselves into your idea of perfection instead of their own?

What if your definition changes sometime down the road and she can no longer meet it?  Do you modify her again (Fuckdoll 2.0) or just find someone new?




NihilusZero -> RE: Too Picky??? (9/21/2009 5:42:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Elipsis

Fair enough, but what if their definition of perfection isn't the same as yours?  Should they craft themselves into your idea of perfection instead of their own?

That would be an expected parameter of a slave.

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ORIGINAL: Elipsis

What if your definition changes sometime down the road and she can no longer meet it?  Do you modify her again (Fuckdoll 2.0) or just find someone new?

Once the motivation and commitment is there, the pliancy would follow.




Elipsis -> RE: Too Picky??? (9/21/2009 6:29:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: NihilusZero

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ORIGINAL: Elipsis

Fair enough, but what if their definition of perfection isn't the same as yours?  Should they craft themselves into your idea of perfection instead of their own?

That would be an expected parameter of a slave.


I suppose that would be part of the deal.  My head is just a bit blown at the thought of living to meet someone else's idea of perfection.  Personally I have great difficulty defining what perfection (for myself) would even be... let alone living up to it... let alone ever expecting someone else to live up to it.

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ORIGINAL: NihilusZero
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ORIGINAL: Elipsis

What if your definition changes sometime down the road and she can no longer meet it?  Do you modify her again (Fuckdoll 2.0) or just find someone new?

Once the motivation and commitment is there, the pliancy would follow.



One would hope.




tazzygirl -> RE: Too Picky??? (9/21/2009 6:50:19 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Elipsis

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ORIGINAL: NihilusZero

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ORIGINAL: Elipsis

Fair enough, but what if their definition of perfection isn't the same as yours?  Should they craft themselves into your idea of perfection instead of their own?

That would be an expected parameter of a slave.


I suppose that would be part of the deal.  My head is just a bit blown at the thought of living to meet someone else's idea of perfection.  Personally I have great difficulty defining what perfection (for myself) would even be... let alone living up to it... let alone ever expecting someone else to live up to it.

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ORIGINAL: NihilusZero
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ORIGINAL: Elipsis

What if your definition changes sometime down the road and she can no longer meet it?  Do you modify her again (Fuckdoll 2.0) or just find someone new?

Once the motivation and commitment is there, the pliancy would follow.



One would hope.


A question.... you feel a slave has to live, say, a lie, to please you?




Bimtrain -> RE: Too Picky??? (9/21/2009 7:56:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DavanKael

I perved your profile and you're looking for TPE complete with willingness to indulge in body mods to make her more pleasing to you. Now, while some might be willing or eager to be sliced and diced to your idea of perfection (Especially if it's on your dime), others, like myself, would say, "You're outta your freakin' mind; I have to live in my skin for the duration and hacking/marking/whatever-ing it up for someone is pretty extreme, imo and I am not apt to call most things estreme.
Best wishes,
Davan


There are those who think the idea of a nose job is appalling and would never consider such a crazy thing. There are those who consider their second nose job to be fantastic 22nd birthday gift. Not everyone views plastic surgery so brutally, especially here in L.A.

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ORIGINAL: daintydimples

I had to go back and read the entire thread just to make sure I had it right.

To the OP: strong women bore you, but a helpless perfect looking sex doll would not?

Now, I understand you think the sex doll would keep your dick hard all day. I think you'd find her "perfection" would pall in time, as physical attraction can only engage so much of your brain.

That you think sexual attraction is primarily physical says a great deal about you.

Unless and until you are capable of finding a female's brain attractive, you're going to be a very frustrated human being.

Despite your great and lucrative career and your gorgeous outer shell, I feel sorry for you.


Again, I've fallen in love with and nearly married a wonderful intelligent, funny charismatic woman who was very successful and also had big breasts via three augmentation surgeries. Countless men fawned over her yet she was mine for as long as I'd have her. We had a huge emotional and intellectual connection that lasts to this day, so I fully understand the value in that.

As far as you thinking I'll need more of a mental connection, Dionne Warwick wrote a great song about that. She had Stevie and Whitney sing it with her!

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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19

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As for your definition of beauty, do you think you're the first person to give that "beauty is on the inside" speech? Do you think that after nearly thirty years on this earth I haven't heard it? I've dated countless women of all kinds, have fallen in and out of love and have come to find that only a certain kind do it for me. Yes, I've dated and nearly married very beautiful, STRONG women and no, they didn't even have an outside chance of intimidating me (The thought is humorous though). They did however bore me and I'm tired of coming up with an excuse for why my cock is on 70% hard when I fuck them. I'm don't have the heart to tell them it's because they're boring to me.


If you are as intelligent as you say you are, than having a mindless perfect doll will not take away your boredom. What if someone came into your life who was plain of face and body but grew more beautiful to you because of her personality? A person so engaging that she lit up a room and lit up your heart? You think its imposible for you to find that unless shes physically working on perfect? I dont think so. I believe that one who is so fixated on their appearance to that obsessive a degree would be rather self centered. Also, a helpless person who is focused on her beauty and has no other life; what will you talk about? Do you want to spend your time talking about hair makeup and clothes and that she got a pedicure today and her shopping trips? Because thats what you will get. That REALLY would make you less bored???

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ORIGINAL: CarrieO

Well, This thread seems to have gone in an interesting direction since last night.

Just a few things I'd like to touch on......

Why? Why do you find strong beautiful women to be boring? I have a feeling these women do intimidate you, but maybe not in a way you're willing to admit.


I'm definitely not intimidated. I've turned a few to puddy in my day (and also have been squashed but that's the game and it keep me humble). Strong beautiful women want to share thoughts and opinions and decisions and they have a sense of entitlement. They want a 50/50 relationship. I'm just not interested in that. It makes me yawn and go limp all at the same time.



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ORIGINAL: CarrieO
What happens when you can't control a person or situation? Kind of like the reason for starting this thread...someone shut you down and you had no control over how or why. The way you've responded to people, myself included, who have pointed out the folly in trying to control a person's manners, or lack thereof, online is a pretty good example, I think.


If I can't control them then I must strive to be a beter slave trainer. If she fails as a slave in a particular instance then I have failed as a Dom and a trainer.

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ORIGINAL: CarrieO
I suggest you go back and re-read this quoted part and give it a bit more thought. How else will a person gain experience without going through the experience? While you may believe you can succeed at anything you commit yourself to, I get the feeling you haven't expereinced what it is you want. Be careful what you wish for...you just might get it. Then what?


If everyone required 10 years of experience in a TPE before they could embark on their first TPE, there would be no TPE. Simple logic.


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ORIGINAL: CarrieO
You "want a woman who wants to look perfect and tried like hell to do so" yet I wonder if you understand what you may have on your hands with such a woman. One who has strived for the golden ring only to realize she can't do it without you...and a doctor's help. I would hope you never let her down since I have the feeling this perfect doll will have nothing to fall back on.

You say she wouldn't have to worry about you moving on to greener pastures...what happens when nature, and gravity, takes control of your stepford wife? If you look at this from a long-term realistic standpoint, what will happen when you can no longer do surgeries/botox/implants? Are you experienced enough to handle a real woman instead of a blow-up doll?


I haven't let a loved one down yet. And yes, we are talking about a potential loved one. I have a huge heart, despite surface evidence to the contrary. Also, I am well aware of aging. I fully expect to be 60 years old living with my 50 year old fuckdoll. I will care greatly for her. Like I said, it's a lifetime commitment. I am aware of that.

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ORIGINAL: happylittlepet

FR, after read through

What happens if one (or more) of those body modifications i.e. surgeries goes wrong?


I've dealt with botched plastic surgeries before. My ex had both a botched breast augmentation and a lip augmentation. She'll tell you that not only was I incredibly supportive but took the initiative to do all the research into finding her best course of action to fixing the problems.


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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

What I find humorous is that he feels he is perfect yet, if I wanted, I could create a fairly long list of imperfections I've seen in him. And I haven't even considered attitude and personality.......lack thereof.



You and me both! I have a laundry list of things to improve about myself. This is especially if you look at those old pics of mine. I was a fat, undisciplined pig when those were taken. I've dropped my body fat, increased my muscle mass, lowered my sodium and cholesterol intake and am as healthy as an Olympian. And yet, there is still so much work to be done! I'm going to the gym after this!

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ORIGINAL: FawneTwo

The OP is not politically correct.

For an eyeball toning isometric read his girl friend's journal. She has a real bent for parody.

Its not like he said he will whip her to tears



"Good Morning Los Angeles! It's Half After Noon!" a cultural experience and vaudeville road show


Ok, you lost me. What girlfriend???

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ORIGINAL: NihilusZero

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ORIGINAL: Andalusite

NZ, I agree that wanting a "fuckdoll" is fairly common in D/s and M/s, but most women don't want extensive plastic surgery to go with it.

Although there are plenty of women that choose that path all on their own. The prerequisites aren't all that far-fetched.

I think what has many people's inner alarm bells going off is the tone of the profile seeming brisk, immediate, and up front. Minor grammatical nuances like the use of "will" instead of "would" in the profile create a passively near-confrontational mood in the writing...a sense of expectation.

Aside from that and the difficulty (statistically) of finding a slave suitable for his requests, I don't see anything too alarming.



You raise a VERY excellent point! I'm starting to see you have a penchant for doing just that! I could be better with my wording. Being a writer and a crafter or language I should know better. And you're right, statistically I am climbing a very steep hill. I love a good challenge though!

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ORIGINAL: FawneTwo

Dr. Fawne steps up to the podium. " The Original Poster has sadistic tendencies". He holds up a mirror and illusion may be most kind

Perfection will remain unattainable, as it slips through fingers like sand. Life is too short.....

Who else is fighting windmills?


[nerd here and bad]
wwohhhhboyyy


Again with the perfection. I want someone who strives for it. How many people went into their high school tests saying "I know I'm not perfect. I'm just gonna try for a C"? No, You always went for a 100% A (or at least I did). And who cares if I didn't get that 100% A, I tried for it. THAT IS WHAT I SEEK! I don't want a girl who says "ehh, my makeup could be better but whatever or "ehh, it's just a bad hair day, so be it" NO. She goes and fixes it and looks good for her man! It's about the effort, not the result.

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ORIGINAL: daintydimples

Although there are plenty of women that choose that path all on their own. The prerequisites aren't all that far-fetched.

I think what has many people's inner alarm bells going off is the tone of the profile seeming brisk, immediate, and up front. Minor grammatical nuances like the use of "will" instead of "would" in the profile create a passively near-confrontational mood in the writing...a sense of expectation.

Aside from that and the difficulty (statistically) of finding a slave suitable for his requests, I don't see anything too alarming.


As usual, NZ makes a fine point. But, from a female point of view at least, the negative response is not just about what he wants. It's that it seems to be ALL he wants.





It's not all I want but having been a serial dater and also having had many serious relationships in the past I know that a laundry list of qualities you look for in a mates personality is about as useful as a shit flavored lillipop when it comes to compatibility. That stuff is worked out in the conversations. I guess I could at least make it sound like I care so you have a point.


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ORIGINAL: NihilusZero

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ORIGINAL: Elipsis

Fair enough, but what if their definition of perfection isn't the same as yours? Should they craft themselves into your idea of perfection instead of their own?

That would be an expected parameter of a slave.

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ORIGINAL: Elipsis

What if your definition changes sometime down the road and she can no longer meet it? Do you modify her again (Fuckdoll 2.0) or just find someone new?

Once the motivation and commitment is there, the pliancy would follow.



Indeed it would! I'm very flexible.


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ORIGINAL: Elipsis

A question.... you feel a slave has to live, say, a lie, to please you?


What lie? A slave lives to please their owner.



One thing that maybe is not clear but it's just as important to me that my slave be just as fulfilled in their life. I always tell me slaves before the real TPE begins that they ust lay out all their desires, fears, expectations and such and I will meet them. But once it starts the choices are gone. I control everything. I've been thinking about a means of communication that allows the slave to communicate her concerns or any desired changes or whatever without breaking protocol. Perhaps a secret diary that I read. hmmm.




Elipsis -> RE: Too Picky??? (9/21/2009 8:03:25 PM)

Wow!  I applaud your compilation and construction of that multiquote post.

I think your nested quotes are slightly off towards the button but goddamn that takes patience.




tazzygirl -> RE: Too Picky??? (9/21/2009 8:07:50 PM)

LOL

good luck to you

you are gonna need it




Bimtrain -> RE: Too Picky??? (9/21/2009 8:11:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Elipsis

Wow!  I applaud your compilation and construction of that multiquote post.

I think your nested quotes are slightly off towards the button but goddamn that takes patience.


Fixed!

LMAO, you have no idea!


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

LOL

good luck to you

you are gonna need it


Thank you. Indeed I am going to need it. I'm climbing the Kilimanjaro of fetish goals! (holy crap, though I checked it turns out I didn't need spell check for that). I suppose this is how I always prefer it. Screw climbing puny little hill-like goals. Show me the mountain of mountains!




lusciouslips19 -> RE: Too Picky??? (9/21/2009 8:23:04 PM)

Heres you perfect fuck doll. Now your life will be complete.[:)]

http://www.realdoll.com/




Sunnyfey -> RE: Too Picky??? (9/21/2009 8:23:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
A question.... you feel a slave has to live, say, a lie, to please you?



With NZ's point on motivation and commitment.....

I'm pretty sure most people on these forums know..I'm not  quite the prim and proper sweet little pliant "perfect" slave girl.

Quite the opposite can be said sometimes, I can be a cantankerous loud mouth. And be quite happy with that description.

BUT. With my devotion to NZ came another aspect to the relationship, I want to please him as it makes him happy, and it makes me happy, so I became pliant to his wishes, even if some of them were....maybe not the most natural thing to me. They are natural to me now.

From happiness (IMO) for a slave, comes happiness for a Master, when her will has flowed to be in accordance with his. And it's not the slave even giving up apart of herself so much, becoming MORE of herself. There is nothing between me and NZ that I don't love and commit to. Now, somethings I may not LIKE, but its not really about me is it? It makes him happy, so I become happy, when I see how whatever distasteful (to me) thing makes him smile.

Now don't take this as NZ making me do grueling amounts of chores or horrible bad things that cross my hard limits etc etc....No, it's nothing like that. It's more like I'm not a spoiled bitch anymore, and yeah I really DO have to take that big bag of trash out to the dumpster. [:D]

I hope that made some lick of sense.




NihilusZero -> RE: Too Picky??? (9/21/2009 8:38:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Bimtrain

It's not all I want but having been a serial dater and also having had many serious relationships in the past I know that a laundry list of qualities you look for in a mates personality is about as useful as a shit flavored lillipop when it comes to compatibility. That stuff is worked out in the conversations. I guess I could at least make it sound like I care so you have a point.

Interesting view. Many people see the elusive "personality" as the holy grail in the persona of someone but, when I think a bit more analytically about it, you (intentionally or not) raise an rather unexpected point: whether the things that inevitably attract us to someone thoroughly (the intangible chemistry that so often either clicks or doesn't) isn't actually the base upon which we mold and adjust our own personalities to mesh better with partners who awaken that intoxication in us. The very core concept of the eternally equitable "compromise" is based on the very notion that something (whether the individuals wish to call it "love" or anything else) transcends even our normal traits to where it is considered emotionally viable to conform so as to fit a relationship with someone who has flipped our switch. At least from personal experience, looking back, I can't actually say that the exes of mine who have had that intangible ability to rev my inner engine necessarily possessed qualities that I would consider in line with ideal preferences.

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ORIGINAL: Bimtrain

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ORIGINAL: NihilusZero

Once the motivation and commitment is there, the pliancy would follow.


Indeed it would! I'm very flexible.

I was actually talking about the slave being pliant...but we are all pliant, I suppose, regardless of our dynamic roles, to a situation that fulfills us in the deepest of personally valuable ways.




Ialdabaoth -> RE: Too Picky??? (9/21/2009 8:41:58 PM)


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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19

Heres you perfect fuck doll. Now your life will be complete.[:)]

http://www.realdoll.com/


Ugh. Let me run down the problems with that:

BESIDES the fact that I can't actually truss her up and take her out on my arm to show off my status, like some beautifully absurd dog-and-pony show, there's the problems of the more intimate reactions (or lack thereof):

1. She doesn't cry when I make her feel ashamed - she's just plastic.
2. She doesn't blush when I make her feel embarrassed - she's just plastic.
3. She doesn't look at me with pathetic, frustrated helplessness when I remind her that she's a worthless sex toy - she's just plastic.

Some of us don't just want a sex doll; we want a high-class "trophy girl", that we can have fun dressing up and parading in public, and then dressing down and degrading in private.




Lockit -> RE: Too Picky??? (9/21/2009 8:44:34 PM)

I didn't realise that a big pair of tit's signified a class act. lol Shall we consider men with big cocks a class act?




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