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RE: Religious conflict with bdsm relationships or fanta... - 9/26/2009 5:46:38 PM

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Grace to me is unwarranted consideration and it can include many things... forgiveness is one and it doesn't have to come from above so to speak. Add a little grace with love... wowza!

Tell me, L, are we not talking about two different things here? That is my sense. You are talking of Humanist grace - the kindness, compassion and/or forgiveness one fallable mortal extends to another. I am asking about the State of Grace in the literalist Biblical sense. I defer to your training and schooling on this, but if one is in a state of (Biblical) Grace, i.e. if one is right with Jesus in the sense of "that old time religion" that person would not be living this Lifestyle. Am i making sense here?

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RE: Religious conflict with bdsm relationships or fanta... - 9/26/2009 6:24:08 PM

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When someone does something wrong, whether there is punishment or not, there may be a result of that something wrong. We can still extend grace, although I am sure not as well as say... god... but we can show grace or forgiveness even if there is a result of our actions that may seem to be a punishment. Each situation and person is different. How they view things is different. My way of looking at things is different. I may show grace for some wrong and I may forgive, but in my humaness, I may at some later date emotionally react as if I didn't forgive or show grace. I might then need some grace. lol I didn't warrant that grace because of my actions or response to something, but I might be given that grace.

We all do things differently, but to me it is grace with someone gives you consideration, forgiveness and love, etc when you didn't deserve it. Like when someone has an accident through some faulty driving and they hurt someone or kill someone. Someone thinking of them and how they may feel, how they may not have intended it and forgiving them, not because they felt bad or asked but because they had a loving and graceful heart, would be showning unwarranted grace because the other person did nothing to earn that grace and forgiveness, but were given it anyway.

How it all works out for others is up to them, their belief's and how they live. In bdsm or any other thing. You can find conflict in just about anything, just as one can find justification or anything else. lol That would be a personal matter really. There are many things that one can argue that makes this or that right or wrong... but truely... one must live true to who they are and what they believe. No one else can answer for another really. We have to find our own answers. The answers of another may influence us or something, but still it is a personal choice. Some people could call fasting a sacrifice... a suffering with a purpose. There are lots of ways to look at things.

My grace is not sufficeint as the bible say's gods is... but it is still grace, even if not perfect grace. And I hope that in my tired state and with raging headache you will show me grace if I made no sense! lol

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RE: Religious conflict with bdsm relationships or fanta... - 9/26/2009 9:04:30 PM

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Very interesting thread. When I read the OP the first thing that came to my mind was, according to the Bible, one cannot serve two masters, so that would be god and the almighty $$. haha Then when I read some of the subsequent posts, I thought "Judge not, lest ye be judged" and, finally, I'm just so happy I'm a pagan. I was raised christian and tried out several different churches, but I just never felt right about all the dogma and the sin stuff. I live by "An it harm none, do what ye will." If it's all consensual and it's not hurting anyone, go for it. Yep. It's all good. :)

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RE: Religious conflict with bdsm relationships or fanta... - 9/27/2009 6:21:58 PM

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My grace is not sufficeint as the bible say's gods is... but it is still grace, even if not perfect grace. And I hope that in my tired state and with raging headache you will show me grace if I made no sense! lol

You made perfect sense, Lockit, as usual. I understand the compassion you describe and i applaude it. But i am convinced we are speaking of different notions of Grace. I am talking about the doctrine of being in Grace as opposed to say the doctrine of doing Good Works. As was explained to me, some believe they have to do good to gain God's grace while others believe they do good because they are in Grace. The latter would not be in this Lifestyle. The former might be and hence have a conflict.

But, i think i am drifting into deep waters here, so i shall just close up my mouth lest i say something really stupid. lol

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RE: Religious conflict with bdsm relationships or fanta... - 9/27/2009 6:30:47 PM

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I'm just so happy I'm a pagan. I was raised christian and tried out several different churches, but I just never felt right about all the dogma and the sin stuff. I live by "An it harm none, do what ye will." If it's all consensual and it's not hurting anyone, go for it. Yep. It's all good. :)

Good for you, sweetsub. If it works for you and brings you peace without conflict then you are fortunate as i feel i am without some frowning, disapproving Authority hovering over my shoulder.

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