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tazzygirl -> RE: Man killed in church after stone altar falls on him (9/25/2009 7:24:15 AM)


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ORIGINAL: xoxkittenxox

I believe that it was a sign from Zeus, telling that we are to worship him, and not this fictional, "omniscient" god. It is punishment.


ROFLMAO

sorry kitten

i worshipped Zeus... the only thing he wants worshipped is his cock... he could care less who dies or not



xoxkittenxox -> RE: Man killed in church after stone altar falls on him (9/25/2009 7:31:32 AM)

Oh come on, and thats not sign enough that he is the true God of the Universe?! I mean... Humans are perverted, and our "god" isn't. What kind of a match is that? We need a God that is more like us. Each of the Olympians have qualities of each human being on this planet. It just makes SENSE that we were designed after them, and not some "Adam and Eve ate an apple from a forbidden tree" thing! Come oooon! What is thaaaat? The Gods and Goddesses of Olympia create a check and balance for each decision. And you're "god" makes these decisions by himself. "Whatever I say, goes". At least, with all the faults of humanity, we have the Olympian Gods to blame for being of human thought and logic! With YOUR "god", all we can say is... Oh, well he was just taking a break from protecting, or oh, he was proving a point that you cannot do bad things, or OH, he FORGOT someone. What kind of god is this? My Gods and Godesses may make mistakes, but at least they have ample reason for the mistakes. THEY ARE THE MISTAKES OF HUMAN THOUGHT! Not some "omnipresence" with a sick sense of HUMOR!



tazzygirl -> RE: Man killed in church after stone altar falls on him (9/25/2009 8:43:00 AM)

LOL

sorry kitten... its an inside joke of sorts.. cant explain... i just thought your reference to Zeus extremely amusing for reasons you cannot understand... and im not poking fun at you.



thishereboi -> RE: Man killed in church after stone altar falls on him (9/25/2009 8:52:01 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

To some people, yes they do.

Unh, obviously. But my question is, how precisely do you get from the one to the other?

K.


Now that I could not tell you. Usually when I hear things like that said, its not coming from the person who supposedly believes it, but from someone else trying to project their ideas of what a "religous" person is supposed to believe.

Personally, I don't believe God follows me around and protects me at every turn. Still, there have been times, in my wilder days, when I had to wonder how I made it home alive without someones help.



GotSteel -> RE: Man killed in church after stone altar falls on him (9/25/2009 9:14:20 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Louve00

Just a guess...I can't speak for Orion, of course.  But when you asked originally "I'm wondering how people who believe that theirs a benevolent, omnipotent and omniscient deity at work in the world around us explain this.", Orion's quote from the bible might explain it.  Not saying Orion's religious, or even that I am.  But for anyone who believes, well....those were the Lord's words.  So if you wonder, maybe thats how they can explain it? 

*Editted to add...I think it was an appropriate quote to your question. 


"24And Jacob was left alone; and there wrestled a man with him until the breaking of the day.  25And when he saw that he prevailed not against him, he touched the hollow of his thigh; and the hollow of Jacob's thigh was out of joint, as he wrestled with him.  26And he said, Let me go, for the day breaketh. And he said, I will not let thee go, except thou bless me.  27And he said unto him, What is thy name? And he said, Jacob.  28And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.  29And Jacob asked him, and said, Tell me, I pray thee, thy name. And he said, Wherefore is it that thou dost ask after my name? And he blessed him there.  30And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.  31And as he passed over Penuel the sun rose upon him, and he halted upon his thigh."
Genesis 32:24-31



GotSteel -> RE: Man killed in church after stone altar falls on him (9/25/2009 9:34:35 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Ownerofscatgirls

This is obviously "God's" will. If a miracle happens, it's "God's" will. Or if a child dies inexplicably, it's "God's" will. So obviously "God" was aiming for him. God is the Christian answer to everything, therefore, it's "His" fault.


I've heard that answer before the difference in this case is that to a certain sort of believer it shows two directly opposing miracles happening, one immediately after the other to the same person. I'm wondering how that's rationalized.



GotSteel -> RE: Man killed in church after stone altar falls on him (9/25/2009 9:42:10 AM)

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

To some people, yes they do.

To answer the op's question. Not hard to explain at all. The altar was old and it fell. Not a real big mystery here, shit falls down all the time. It just sucks for the guy who was under it at the time.



That would be my interpretation of events as well. But I'm an atheist, my interpretation isn't that of the majority, so I was curious to hear what everyone else had to say.



Kirata -> RE: Man killed in church after stone altar falls on him (9/25/2009 9:49:38 AM)


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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

there have been times, in my wilder days, when I had to wonder how I made it home alive without someones help.

Whew, I know that one well. I often wonder if there may be capacities inherent in our nature that we do not recognize or know how to connect with or relate to except as a "something greater" that we cannot define.

I am the power, and I am the silence...
I am the brightly shining lamp of knowledge, dwelling within thy being

~Bhagavad Gita

K.






mnottertail -> RE: Man killed in church after stone altar falls on him (9/25/2009 9:50:58 AM)

Perhaps, since God is without sin, he merely cast the first stone.

Ron



GotSteel -> RE: Man killed in church after stone altar falls on him (9/25/2009 3:19:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Perhaps, since God is without sin, he merely cast the first stone.

Ron


Then why would Yahweh have saved him when the elevator failed?



mnottertail -> RE: Man killed in church after stone altar falls on him (9/25/2009 3:21:34 PM)

The 'goddammit I am lucky to be alive comment' as he recounted the story to his wife?

R



GotSteel -> RE: Man killed in church after stone altar falls on him (9/25/2009 3:58:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

The 'goddammit I am lucky to be alive comment' as he recounted the story to his wife?

R


Do you actually think that reality works like that?



mnottertail -> RE: Man killed in church after stone altar falls on him (9/25/2009 4:01:39 PM)

Of course not. There is no god, that is a reality I am absolutely sure of. A rock fell off a building, cakked a guy just after he got away clean on another caper......timing and whimsical circumstance.

Ron



Musicmystery -> RE: Man killed in church after stone altar falls on him (9/25/2009 4:13:05 PM)

Not just in matters of religion--people commonly accept coincidence as proof.

Explaining/demonstrating how this flies in the face of logic is to no avail--they "know" what they "know."



Kirata -> RE: Man killed in church after stone altar falls on him (9/25/2009 4:55:27 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Not just in matters of religion--people commonly accept coincidence as proof.

Explaining/demonstrating how this flies in the face of logic is to no avail--they "know" what they "know."

With respect, logic is hardly the final arbiter of human experience. Our feelings and emotions aren't "logical" but, we wouldn't be human without them. Intuition, that "gut feeling" we sometimes get, isn't logical either, but neither is it entirely "coincidence". Our gut and our brain develop from the same clump of embryonic tissue during gestation. One part turns into the central nervous system, the other into the enteric nervous system. There are approximately as many neurotransmitters in the gut as there are in the brain. Not everything that is true is "logical". And I think that we often go most wildly astray when our need to understand causes us to invent bizarre schemes of reality, fantastic beings, or other nonsense to "explain" something that isn't logical in the first place, or, alternatively, when we simply deny out-of-hand the reality of anything that isn't "logical".

K.






Musicmystery -> RE: Man killed in church after stone altar falls on him (9/25/2009 5:36:59 PM)

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And I think that we often go most wildly astray when our need to understand causes us to invent bizarre schemes of reality, fantastic beings, or other nonsense to "explain" something that isn't logical in the first place, or, alternatively, when we simply deny out-of-hand the reality of anything that isn't "logical".


I agree with you here.

Noting that coincidence doesn't establish proof doesn't posit logic as the source of all learning.

People, however, do strive to connect dots, and will invent the connections if they aren't apparent, as you've noted.

As I mentioned earlier (and linked to), the 1755 Lisbon earthquake is a dramatic example--people struggled and struggled with this, sparking explanations and rethinkings that contributed to Voltaire, Leibniz, Kant and others. Poets and artists have struggled with similar issues along with theologians and scientists.

In common misuse, however, coincidence gets frequent citation as assumed causation.




Raiikun -> RE: Man killed in church after stone altar falls on him (9/25/2009 5:41:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

To some people, yes they do.

To answer the op's question. Not hard to explain at all. The altar was old and it fell. Not a real big mystery here, shit falls down all the time. It just sucks for the guy who was under it at the time.



That would be my interpretation of events as well. But I'm an atheist, my interpretation isn't that of the majority, so I was curious to hear what everyone else had to say.



As a Christian, I'd have to say that's my interpretation as well.



Raiikun -> RE: Man killed in church after stone altar falls on him (9/25/2009 5:48:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Kirata
 And for an omnipotent God, he seems to need too much help with the dirty work.


And I always thought people got hung up on the word "omnipotent" hehe.  Read the Bible closely and you'll see there are "rules" with how God's power works...



pyroaquatic -> RE: Man killed in church after stone altar falls on him (9/25/2009 6:13:50 PM)

All of these little things lead up to big things...

but the little things can still kill you.

Good Day.



mnottertail -> RE: Man killed in church after stone altar falls on him (9/25/2009 6:17:57 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Raiikun

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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

To some people, yes they do.

To answer the op's question. Not hard to explain at all. The altar was old and it fell. Not a real big mystery here, shit falls down all the time. It just sucks for the guy who was under it at the time.



That would be my interpretation of events as well. But I'm an atheist, my interpretation isn't that of the majority, so I was curious to hear what everyone else had to say.



As a Christian, I'd have to say that's my interpretation as well.


Well, thats kinda what the book of Job was about, if one remembers the fairytale.....had to do with a man being struck from walking under a tree and a branch fell on his head and killed him.......Job questioned it, and the old one pretty much said......Shit happens.

Oh, it's in there.

OneSpicyMeatball



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