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TheHeretic -> RE: Anti-Obama Group Rolls Out New Birther Informercial In 7 States (9/26/2009 4:50:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Claiming that Bush was an illegitimate president who murdered millions of people for profit doesn't even come close? Seriously... [8\|] No..................seriously. When Obama's supposed socialist policies were compared to the New Deal, many on these boards argued that FDR had ulterior motives for entering WWII. Johnson's escalation in Vietnam has long been questioned (the Gulf of Tonkin incident). The Bush administration's primary reason for war was proven false. So they were either lying or seriously incompetent. The point being, all these charges had some basis in fact. The claims of Obama's Kenyan birth and Clinton being a drug dealer and murderer are pure bullshit dreamed up by right wing whack jobs. How about Ronald Reagan's secret deal with Iran to keep the hostages until after the election? Got some basis in fact there, or was it just "pure bullshit dreamed up by left wing whack jobs?" There is absolutely nothing unique in a crazy minority with a crazy claim about a President they didn't vote for. What is interesting here is the attempt to smear the entire opposition with it, and of course, the fucking racist assertion that we are supposed to treat President Obama differently because of his race.

kittinSol -> RE: Anti-Obama Group Rolls Out New Birther Informercial In 7 States (9/26/2009 4:57:04 PM)
Of course, if racism and xenophobia are fair play in your world, enjoy playing with them - I thought there were important things to solve here, you know, but let's not the real issues interfere with your partisan game-playing. How tough for the far right... it's so unfair that they should be called what they really are. My heart bleeds for them.

mnottertail -> RE: Anti-Obama Group Rolls Out New Birther Informercial In 7 States (9/26/2009 5:02:43 PM)
yeah, well I remember how you were not going to talk about Bush as a standing president , but when he got off the shit hole, it was gonna be all over. One difference would be a fuckin guy called Ollie North.......unless you come up with a congressional hearing that finds the facts, you are a whacko. Heres why.........Member your cunt Nixon, and how you argued vehemenently that he was big cock because he never was really impeached? That made him virginal in the reasoned rights eyes? You and Firm can get together and call it unintended consequences, but I will go look the thread up and you guys can spin that. But, just recently, you were bemoaning that anything that didn't see the world in your goggles was off-topic, and I gotta tell you, Who gives a fuck about some fuck that has alzheimers running this country in the ground, you have never fielded better, and you are gonna get spanked.........end of joke, Bush was a republican hoo-fuckin-ha, right until he was out, but now it is 'Well, he wasn't a REAL republican....' so your hold the phone don't smear the shitbreathers dont hold up a bit. Seriously......LOL (I really cant get serious about this impudent and imbicile shit), Ron

TheHeretic -> RE: Anti-Obama Group Rolls Out New Birther Informercial In 7 States (9/26/2009 5:37:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol Of course, if racism and xenophobia are fair play in your world, enjoy playing with them Oh HELL no, Kitten. Don't even pull that bullshit out. The way I was raised, racist is when you treat people differently because of their skin color, exactly as you seem to be suggesting is the expected result here. By my standards, Kitten, YOU are the racist in this discussion, and Herself isn't likely to let me get away with telling you what you can do with such attitudes. Do feel free to guess, though.

kittinSol -> RE: Anti-Obama Group Rolls Out New Birther Informercial In 7 States (9/26/2009 5:49:10 PM)
So far, it is you and a handful of others that have defended the xenophobia. I suppose you would like the double standard you deplore in others to be applied to you: how very hypocritical [8\|] .

rulemylife -> RE: Anti-Obama Group Rolls Out New Birther Informercial In 7 States (9/26/2009 5:53:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Claiming that Bush was an illegitimate president who murdered millions of people for profit doesn't even come close? Seriously... [8\|] No..................seriously. When Obama's supposed socialist policies were compared to the New Deal, many on these boards argued that FDR had ulterior motives for entering WWII. Johnson's escalation in Vietnam has long been questioned (the Gulf of Tonkin incident). The Bush administration's primary reason for war was proven false. So they were either lying or seriously incompetent. The point being, all these charges had some basis in fact. The claims of Obama's Kenyan birth and Clinton being a drug dealer and murderer are pure bullshit dreamed up by right wing whack jobs. How about Ronald Reagan's secret deal with Iran to keep the hostages until after the election? Got some basis in fact there, or was it just "pure bullshit dreamed up by left wing whack jobs?" There is absolutely nothing unique in a crazy minority with a crazy claim about a President they didn't vote for. What is interesting here is the attempt to smear the entire opposition with it, and of course, the fucking racist assertion that we are supposed to treat President Obama differently because of his race. In Reagan's own words: Let's start with the part that is the most controversial. A few months ago I told the American people I did not trade arms for hostages. My heart and my best intentions still tell me that's true, but the facts and the evidence tell me it is not. As the Tower board reported, what began as a strategic opening to Iran deteriorated, in its implementation, into trading arms for hostages. (Reagan, Ronald (March 4, 1987). "Address to the Nation on the Iran Arms and Contra Aid Controversy)

mnottertail -> RE: Anti-Obama Group Rolls Out New Birther Informercial In 7 States (9/26/2009 5:54:55 PM)
Rule, thats no fair, that is the ramblings of a senile old man. Ron

TheHeretic -> RE: Anti-Obama Group Rolls Out New Birther Informercial In 7 States (9/26/2009 6:08:16 PM)
Ignorance, real or pretended, is no defense, RML. Not even a good attempt at changing the subject. Key word was "election." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_surprise_conspiracy_theory

mnottertail -> RE: Anti-Obama Group Rolls Out New Birther Informercial In 7 States (9/26/2009 6:12:38 PM)
So, is Reagan di minimous now? We knew he was senile, but we take the word of wiki as the codex instead of his what his handlers and teleprompters said to say? Come the fuck on, Rich, already, even with your tongue in cheek, you cant get one fucking living soul to help argue that can you? He was a cunt, sure, but not as big a fucktard as all that, was he? Ron

TheHeretic -> RE: Anti-Obama Group Rolls Out New Birther Informercial In 7 States (9/26/2009 6:14:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol So far, it is you and a handful of others that have defended the xenophobia. I suppose you would like the double standard you deplore in others to be applied to you: how very hypocritical [8\|] . Are you suggesting I am siding with these birther morons, Kitten? I'd love to see you back such an assertion. I'm just calling "BULLSHIT" on those who can't handle having a President they like, talked about the same way they talked about one they didn't like. Might that include you, miss "calls others hypocritical?" Bed - make- sleep [:D]

TheHeretic -> RE: Anti-Obama Group Rolls Out New Birther Informercial In 7 States (9/26/2009 6:17:19 PM)
Ron, I expect what I expect from others, and I expect what I expect from you. Are you going to put your own credibility on the line to suggest that whacko conspiracy stories about Presidents are the exclusive domain of the right? Wiki is quite adequate for a stupid little story like the one RML is trying to pretend doesn't exist.

rulemylife -> RE: Anti-Obama Group Rolls Out New Birther Informercial In 7 States (9/26/2009 6:18:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic Ignorance, real or pretended, is no defense, RML. Not even a good attempt at changing the subject. Key word was "election." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_surprise_conspiracy_theory No, actually the key words in this discussion were "basis in fact". I'm not going to get in a debate whether or not this was intended to influence the election, been there done that. You said that this claim has as little basis in fact as Obama's birthplace and that is clearly not the case.

mnottertail -> RE: Anti-Obama Group Rolls Out New Birther Informercial In 7 States (9/26/2009 6:22:44 PM)
Hold the phone Rich. I was not 'getting' that it was proffered that whackos only exist on the right, because as you well know, there are a spate of whackos on the left, and you aint even gotta come from a position across the aisle to pencil that out. If that is part and parcel of what you are arguing ie; Totally fucktard whackos exist at both extremes (liberal and conservatives) of both the democratic and republican parties in the US, then I am on your side without let or hinderance. Maybe the rhetoric was above me here, and I missed that point. Ron

TheHeretic -> RE: Anti-Obama Group Rolls Out New Birther Informercial In 7 States (9/26/2009 6:23:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife You said that this claim has as little basis in fact as Obama's birthplace and that is clearly not the case. From the link you obviously didn't read (or did, and are hoping to get away with telling a stupid lie): both houses of the US Congress held separate inquiries and concluded that the allegations lacked supporting documentation. That would be the "basis in fact" you seem to be claiming exists. Done.

rulemylife -> RE: Anti-Obama Group Rolls Out New Birther Informercial In 7 States (9/26/2009 6:23:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic Ron, I expect what I expect from others, and I expect what I expect from you. Are you going to put your own credibility on the line to suggest that whacko conspiracy stories about Presidents are the exclusive domain of the right? Wiki is quite adequate for a stupid little story like the one RML is trying to pretend doesn't exist. No one suggested they are rhe exclusive domain of the right, but the example you offered doesn't meet the criteria. You do remember Iran-Contra right? It was hardly a "stupid little story".

rulemylife -> RE: Anti-Obama Group Rolls Out New Birther Informercial In 7 States (9/26/2009 6:28:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife You said that this claim has as little basis in fact as Obama's birthplace and that is clearly not the case. From the link you obviously didn't read (or did, and are hoping to get away with telling a stupid lie): both houses of the US Congress held separate inquiries and concluded that the allegations lacked supporting documentation. That would be the "basis in fact" you seem to be claiming exists. Done. Again, not the point. The point is this was not some contrived controversy by fringe political opponents if it was taken seriously enough to be investigated by Congress. Edited to add: Done? You do watch too much Southpark because you constantly keep pulling a Cartman whenever you get backed into a corner. "Screw you guys, I'm going home"

TheHeretic -> RE: Anti-Obama Group Rolls Out New Birther Informercial In 7 States (9/26/2009 6:28:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Hold the phone Rich. I was not 'getting' that it was proffered that whackos only exist on the right, because as you well know, there are a spate of whackos on the left, and you aint even gotta come from a position across the aisle to pencil that out. If that is part and parcel of what you are arguing ie; Totally fucktard whackos exist at both extremes (liberal and conservatives) of both the democratic and republican parties in the US, then I am on your side without let or hinderance. Maybe the rhetoric was above me here, and I missed that point. Ron LOL. I figured there had to be a disconnect somewhere, Ron. (post 106 will summarize). It's that reaction you have to Reagan's name. Maybe some therapy? Watching his speech at the Brandenburg Gate while getting blowjobs, perhaps?

mnottertail -> RE: Anti-Obama Group Rolls Out New Birther Informercial In 7 States (9/26/2009 6:29:41 PM)
it was a speech and had no more effect than the one given by kennedy at berlin

TheHeretic -> RE: Anti-Obama Group Rolls Out New Birther Informercial In 7 States (9/26/2009 6:32:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife The point is this was not some contrived controversy by fringe political opponents if it was taken seriously enough to be investigated by Congress. LOL. That's right. And they found no basis for the charges. Remember, Reagan accomplished everything he did with the opposing party in control of Congress. That's for another thread, though.

mnottertail -> RE: Anti-Obama Group Rolls Out New Birther Informercial In 7 States (9/26/2009 6:39:32 PM)
yes, and remember that 'with the opposing party in congress' the largest tax cut in history was enacted. so the democrats gave you the tax cut, making all republicans whacko taxers, and destroyers of america. you cannot argue they didnt and out of the other side of your mouth say that George Bush was a tool and that the democratic congress fucked it up. So either Reagan brought down the wall (and not much more) or George Bush is a fucktard of the highest order and republicans shouldnt be elected, you may choose whichever you want, but only one. any other spin is a lie, and not miscable.

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