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EasyE -> RE: Updates (3/26/2006 12:50:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: angelic i had an e-mail from EasyE this morning. he asked me to be one of his safe calls. i've never spoken to him before, and without reading through the thread, i think this is even the first time i've posted to this thread. i asked for more specific information from him before i give him my phone number. i just found it odd. EasyE i am not trying to embarrass you, but i found your e-mail a bit disturbing. :( i am happy to help another in any way i can; however, i am also very leary about giving my phone number out to anyone, most particularly ones i've never even spoken to. LOL you told me to run a while ago I think you were the first. That is why I emailed you. You seemed very concerned so I figured willing to help.

BitaTruble -> RE: Updates (3/26/2006 1:00:16 AM)
quote: LOL you told me to run a while ago I think you were the first. That is why I emailed you. You seemed very concerned so I figured willing to help. You're not going to listen to the good advice you've received here, are you? Just going to go ahead and meet up with a stranger in a hotel wearing a blindfold even though you haven't been able to verify a single word of what you've been told. I hope this is only one mistake of many which you'll make through a long and healthy life.. and not the last mistake you'll ever make. Hopefully, you've let someone who's actually in the same state as you're going to be safe net you. The police are fussy about checking out information from sources outside their jurisdiction. Celeste

EasyE -> RE: Updates (3/26/2006 1:12:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SimplyV quote: ORIGINAL: EvilGeoff quote: ORIGINAL: thetammyjo You are being a very generous person, Angelic. Very kind to someone who may not be making very wise decisions with his life... or maybe his pulling our collective leg as EvilGeoff has called. Hi tammyjo, I was calling bullshit on the "brother Master" stuff, not the OP. Though it is certainly possible that EasyE is yanking our collective chains. I would rather err on the side of caution, and give EasyE the benefit of the doubt (ignorance, inexperience and naivety can be forgiven and corrected, stupidity or malice, not so much). That being said, how many times do you think someone has to be told "don't do that!" before they should start thinking "that might not be such a good idea" ? ? ? Personally, I think the almost unanimous chorus here ought to be telling EasyE "buy a clue, bubba." YIK, - Geoff I am the "other" person who volunteered to be a safecall.. I don't really care if I give out my phone number if it means keeping someone safe. What's he going to do with just a phone number anyway? Phone me to death? Sign me up for MCI? He has trusted me to read his correspondence with this "Master" and even his former "Master". (Still not sure why people trust me so easy, must be that Jedi mind control I'm working on) I'm pretty certain that EasyE is not yanking our chains. He seems pretty guillible and innocent (in a lot of ways), due to his lack of experence and an overwhelming desire to serve. But there are tons of emails, all dated over months on a reliable web email address which would be incredibly hard for him to "fake date" them, and how weird and desperate would you have to be to fake this.. do it over months.. just to get some girl's phone number? The whole thing is extremely fishy. the "Masters" talk the same, make the same typos, use the same verbage (Anyone else use "obiescence"?). They don't even give out their location. Not even "I'm in California near San Francisco". They also seem to take "ownership" without a collaring even happening, and both "Masters" seem to be into the same things/activities, rules, restrictions, body modification. If they aren't the same person, then this is some type of BDSM "gang" or "underground" where the same rules apply to everyone in the group. Which would make me run scared anyway. Btw, the "Brother" won't give him the new "Masters" email. He's having no direct contact with this new "Master".. their first contact will be when they meet at the hotel. I can't say strongly enough to EasyE.. to RUN!! I just hope he listens. V A lot to quote. I can't run. He knows my face and my school. If they wanted to nab me and were that desperate there is nothing I can do now. I can be smart as to where I meet. I am going to try to get the new MASTER's email. Hopefully I can get a background check from him. I know this isn't literal but something to consider. I know MASTER JAKE (dead one + Father, Son and....) was either from Marquette or somewhere else as he asked me how far I was from two cities in the UP. I am going to try and get in touch with a local in the lifestye to spy/join if new MASTER agrees on the first meeting. That way there would be someone there no matter what happens. I feel a deep devotion to my MASTER'S memory and that is why I do not wish to quit. I can't quit but I can find someone different if this thin stays fishy. For people's reference MASTER JAKE is dead. His brother MASTER JAMES is who I serve now. Close names I know but if just skimming easy to figure out. NOT SUICIDAL but NOT ready to quit on this one yet.... I have 4 months and my head in this. I am not ready to throw away the rest of my life but not willing to let something like this slip away. I am not making any of this up. I can't stand the fact that my head may be being played with and would never do that to someone else. Just thought thats what you all were getting at. I have been away the last two days and havent been replying sorry. A question to ponder: Do, if HE is a nabber or whatever,.... they... work with you for 5 months before you meet write emails everyday, and spend this much work on someone unless they were really interested in you specifically... I am not that unique why would someone want me so bad?

BitaTruble -> RE: Updates (3/26/2006 1:22:16 AM)
quote: I am not that unique why would someone want me so bad? Because you are easy and gullible and young. Celeste

EasyE -> RE: Updates (3/26/2006 1:25:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BitaTruble quote: LOL you told me to run a while ago I think you were the first. That is why I emailed you. You seemed very concerned so I figured willing to help. You're not going to listen to the good advice you've received here, are you? Just going to go ahead and meet up with a stranger in a hotel wearing a blindfold even though you haven't been able to verify a single word of what you've been told. I hope this is only one mistake of many which you'll make through a long and healthy life.. and not the last mistake you'll ever make. Hopefully, you've let someone who's actually in the same state as you're going to be safe net you. The police are fussy about checking out information from sources outside their jurisdiction. Celeste Don't you people get it, I am listening that's why I am not meeting anyone until I get this sorted out... come on I am not all that stupid just didn't realise how suspicious things were until I let you all in. The red flags are up I KNOW!!! But that doesn't mean it isn't for real. I have to give this person the benifit of the doubt and carry a huge stick. Backup/shadow when I meet, phone calls whatever it takes if I am in my heart conviced. If I were not listening I would have gone without giving it much thought any further. I am so disgusted with the possible, lies, and people thinking I am a fucking idiot that I almost don't care anymore. Well I fell a little better [&:] Not to offend people but give me a smidge of credit. Otherwise I wouldn't have asked and be gone by now anyway. Probably wouldn't have lived to be this old. BitaTrubble You are just being hurtful now. The name is a nickname from high school thank you very much. I do not want this to be a flame war because I want opinions not asswholes. Edited: Font downsized Mod15

BitaTruble -> RE: Updates (3/26/2006 1:38:58 AM)
::deleted because I'm letting my grief get the best of me::

EasyE -> RE: Updates (3/26/2006 2:12:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BitaTruble ::deleted because I'm letting my grief get the best of me:: Sarcastic or serious, lets talke this to PM if we continue to flame/ you just want to talk and I am being defensive.

boy43 -> RE: My master just passed (3/26/2006 2:50:59 AM)
So sorry to hear it. Hope you recover soon of this lost. Anyway, All U/us will pass one moment of another, and that should make us think about make happy the ones we love...while W/we are able to. hugs enrique

sonsei -> RE: Updates (3/26/2006 3:24:41 AM)
Hi Edward, I'm really glad to hear that you're holding off on meeting anyone. I agree with you - there's lots of red flags, but that doesn't mean that it's not all for real. I was friends with a Dominant online for approx a year. The relationship became more, and as several months passed, it was accepted and expected between us that we would become Master/slave. He lived in the western U.S. and I lived in the eastern. We made plans for me to fly out for a week to evaluate whether it would be appropriate for me to spend the summer there before making a permanent move. He was 'killed in an accident' the day before I was to fly out. His 'best friend' wrote a blanket letter to his friends in the chatroom where he was a regular. He wrote a special letter to me, inviting me to write back to him or catch him on messenger if I needed to talk. I bought it hook line and sinker and bawled my eyes out. Ironically, my husband, who never went to chatrooms, was the one who was suspicious immediately and I was indignant and defensive. (husband and I were still living together temporarily and in name only for financial reasons). I never could find an online obit. I did chat with the best friend a few times using messenger, and altho I don't know it beyond all doubt, I suspect it was the Dominant that I was chatting with. I was very new to the lifestyle and that was an eyeopener, altho by far not the last, unfortunately. So I hope you can see why some people have doubts about the veracity of your recent experience. The faking of a death has become so commonplace that often when someone's telling of an experience and they get to the part where they almost met but didn't, a listener will say, "they got killed in a car accident?" I can't know the truth of your Master's situation. I do know this, without a doubt - it would be extremely dangerous for you to meet someone you don't know well in a hotel. Worse is meeting them blindfolded. I feel lucky to be here because I did that very thing. I'd known him online and by phone for a couple of months. He insisted that I meet him naked, on my knees, facing away from the door, blindfolded, leaving the door unlocked. I said but my god - you could bring a BUNCH of people in here with you! And he just chuckled and said, yep. Stupidly, I did it. Luckily, nothing bad happened. It would have been bad to meet him in that room without his stipulations, but at least with my clothes on, standing and prepared to run or fight if necessary, with the ability to see who was coming in and what was in their hands - at least I had somewhat of a fighting chance. But the way I agreed to do it? Not a chance in hell. No matter what the truth of your situation is, I'm sorry you're going through it. I'm sure it must be painful and confusing. I'd also guess it's doing some damage to your trust. Please be wise and make safe decisions. btw Edward, I'm not at all sure that given the circumstances under which this person wants to meet that a safe call would be much help if you're in trouble. Not lecturing. Just giving my experience and thoughts and hoping you'll stay safe. Sincerely, sonsei

thetammyjo -> RE: Updates (3/26/2006 7:10:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: EasyE A lot to quote. I can't run. He knows my face and my school. If they wanted to nab me and were that desperate there is nothing I can do now. I can be smart as to where I meet. I am going to try to get the new MASTER's email. Hopefully I can get a background check from him. I know this isn't literal but something to consider. A question to ponder: Do, if HE is a nabber or whatever,.... they... work with you for 5 months before you meet write emails everyday, and spend this much work on someone unless they were really interested in you specifically... I am not that unique why would someone want me so bad? Two responses: First, of course there are things you can do. The first is to get more involved in your local community, make friends outside of the kinky world, and you can even go to the police if you think these are the sorts of folks who migth nab you. Why you'd even consider seeing someone who would think they had the right to kidnap you is really far beyond my comprehension. As to why you'd be targeted when you aren't that unique... That's exactly why! Abusers and users target people with low self-esteem, few friends and family, and few ties to the world because it will take some time for that target to be missed. Targeting someone with many ties is pointless unless you want to get money for a ransom. I'm getting the strong feeling that you have been set up from the start. I know you have a lot of emotional ties to your deceased master but you have a responsiblity to yourself first and foremost and it does not read to me like you took very many commonsense precautions at any level of your online BDSM life. shakes head in both sorrow and frustration

thetammyjo -> RE: Updates (3/26/2006 7:19:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: EasyE Don't you people get it, I am listening that's why I am not meeting anyone until I get this sorted out... come on I am not all that stupid just didn't realise how suspicious things were until I let you all in. The red flags are up I KNOW!!! But that doesn't mean it isn't for real. I have to give this person the benifit of the doubt and carry a huge stick. Backup/shadow when I meet, phone calls whatever it takes if I am in my heart conviced. Edited: Font downsized in quote Mod15 You have to protect yourself. You do not owe anyone you've never meet the benefit of a doubt. I understand that you have had a taste of being a slave and it can be highly appealing but valuable slaves protect themselves that is part of what gives them value. I know our concerns and our words are painful, I know they hurt but this hurt is far less than if something is bad about these men. That sort of bad could kill you or maim you or mess up your head for years. Many of us giving you advice and chiding you are coming for years of experience and we don't want to read about in some newspaper or see you on some local newschannel going to the hospital or being carried out of a motel in a body bag. You are in pain and you are grieving. You need to slow down and grieve, really grieve and get in tune with yourself. Another master will not make the grieving stop. A worthy master would know that and give you the time and support to grieve; he'd encourage you to take these precautions, hell, he'd insist upon it. ACK! Wounded puppy -- I'm being sucked in again. Knock it off, TammyJo!

TNstepsout -> RE: Updates (3/26/2006 9:10:02 AM)
I have been checking this thread a couple of times a day just to see if we hear from you. You have got people here genuinely concerned for you. We/I am not doing it out of a sense of being a nosy busybody, but out of a very real sense of caring. No one here is telling you that you've been played to hurt you or make you feel foolish. It's being said because we've ALL been played before. I bet everyone here can tell a story of a time when they were lied to and manipulated, and how much it hurt, and they didn't want to believe it, and they desperately clung to the lies they were being told because the truth was more painful. I'm sure, as painful as it is, that's it's vastly easier to believe your Master is dead, than to believe he manipulated and took advantage of you. Either way, he IS dead. You are not honoring your former master by meeting with this one. You are clinging to the hopes and dreams you had that you still want so desperately to fulfill. You are clinging to the memory of how wonderful you felt when you thought he was in your life and he loved you and cared for you. Who can blame you, I'm sure we've all done it. But we also can't sit by and watch you do something so potentially dangerous without saying something. We have also ALL heard stories of terrible things happening to people who didn't take proper precautions. A man I chatted with for a time knew a woman from this site who had been badly beaten in a hotel room. Her jaw and arm were broken and she spent several weeks in the hospital. She lost her job due to her injuries and was barely getting by financially. Previously she had been a strong independant woman. These things really do happen. You ask why he would take so long to set you up? Because that's what worked and it's all part of the game. He's the hunter, you are the prey. Hunters can be infinately patient. Yes, you DO have strength and sense. Use it. Tell this man you will only meet him publicly for a first meet and will not consider an intimate meeting until you know more about him. If he will not accept your terms there is something seriously wrong and you will have your answer. TN

EvilGeoff -> RE: Updates (3/26/2006 10:20:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: EasyE Do, if HE is a nabber or whatever,.... they... work with you for 5 months before you meet write emails everyday, and spend this much work on someone unless they were really interested in you specifically... I am not that unique why would someone want me so bad? Let me try to explain this if I can, from my own file of life experiences. I once had a girl in collar, the relationship was progressing but we reached a point of stagnation. I wanted to progress to a 24/7 relationship, however, she was not willing to relocate to me, and I, for financial and familial reasons, was not able to relocate to her. We quarreled a bit, and in the meantime, someone began paying attention to her. A LOT of attention. She became enthralled with this person, hanging on his every word, spending hours in chat with him. For all my efforts (and they were considerable, at the time I was a law enforcement officer with access to a lot of resources) I was not able to verify ANY information about the man. I warned her that _everything_ he told her was untrue, nothing that he said was verifiable. In the end, I released her because she continued her relationship with this man. Over time they continued their relationship. She called him, spoke on the phone with him, fell in love with him, made plans to meet with him... Fast forward a year. A YEAR mind you. The day they were supposed to meet was almost upon my former girl. And this man, who she was so desperately in love with, who she called her soul-mate, finally, finally came clean. He, was in fact, a she. Married, playing head games with my former girl, hell her husband was in on it, he was the man she spoke to on the phone, professing her love and devotion to... it was ALL a lie. It was nothing more than online role-playing fantasy cyber bullshit to this woman and her husband. It was the world to my former girl and it crushed her heart to discover she had been played like that. Edward, _you_ are being played. There is no maybe. There is no but.... There is no what if... You are being played. Why? Because you _can_ be played. That's what the predators and users want. It isn't anything unique about you, it's the fact that you are NOT demanding verification. It's not because you are exceptional, it's because you are NOT being safe. It's not because you are hot or hunky, it's because you took the bait, hook, line and sinker. Let me direct you to another, perhaps more forceful reminder about what we are talking about here. The story of John Edward Robinson. Online he was known as slavemaster. Over a period of years, he lured in and killed several women. One of those women, Suzette Trouten, was my friend. And she did everything by the book. Safe calls, safety net, met this man SEVERAL times before going to be with him. And she ended up in a 55 gallon drum. You can find more about this man here: http://www.courttv.com/trials/robinson/index.html and here: http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/predators/john_robinson/14.html Please note these are NEWS sites, not blogs, not personal websites, not urban legends, this man is for real and only one example (perhaps the most widely known one but not the only) of the kinds of predators that are out here, and of the time, care, planning and intelligence used to lure in victims from the internet and other places... Edward, you can find a Master. But take responsibility for your safety. DEMAND PROOF from these people. You do not want to be raped, your money taken from you, find yourself used and discarded, or worse, murdered, because you believed their bullshit claims about slaves being blindly obedient, slaves have no rights, you belonged to my brother, now you belong to me... etc etc. etc. One Suzette Trouten in my life is more than enough. You owe nothing, absolutely nothing to this "brother". You owe yourself your life and safety and health. You are not responsible to this "brother". HE is responsible to you to provide any and all information necessary to satisfy your curiousity, and need for safety. This "brother" DOES NOT OWN YOU. PERIOD. Except in his own imagination. Unless YOU decide to let him, and consent to that ownership. And consent can be withdrawn at anytime the "brother" fails to meet his responsiblity. You have the advice of a Dominant and owner. I can not claim to be "Old Guard" (Hello, I'm straight, not gay, and I'm not a World War II or Korean War vet or at least of that age...) nor can I claim to be from some "secret noble Eurpean BDSM house with a history going back 20 generations". I have only my own learning and experience of the last 8 - 9 years to share with you. And 17 years as a cop. I have absolutely no interest in cutting you away from these people except that I hate seeing someone being set up to be hurt. You are not mine to order, guide or direct, regardless of your internal desire to be a slave, at this time, you are a free person, able to make your own decisions. Choose wisely, choose safely. - Geoff

BitaTruble -> RE: Updates (3/26/2006 12:11:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: EasyE quote: ORIGINAL: BitaTruble ::deleted because I'm letting my grief get the best of me:: Sarcastic or serious, lets talke this to PM if we continue to flame/ you just want to talk and I am being defensive. Thanks for the offer. It would have been nice if you had actually done that instead of write to my Master to tell him that I was disrespectful to you. From what I read of all your forum posts, you never said that you had no intention of meeting in a hotel room with a stranger while being blindfolded. You even went so far as to ask several questions about blindfold color and other things. From what I read, you had every intention of following through on your plans. I commented on that and got back a bold, black font, screaming post which included you basically calling me an asshole. I called you easy, young and gullible because that's the impression I have of you. It had nothing to do with your nickname. I call it like I see it. If you don't like it, tough. Grow some balls and get a thicker skin. You're about to enter a world where you can get seriously hurt. If you want a mommy to cuddle you and tell you everything is going to be all right, don't post to public message forums. As for being sarcastic when I deleted my post.. my Uncle just died. He's being buried today. Is that serious enough for you? I wrote to you on the other side, and now I'm done. Do what the hell you want. I don't care a whit about you. Celeste

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Updates (3/26/2006 8:56:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BitaTruble As for being sarcastic when I deleted my post.. my Uncle just died. He's being buried today. Is that serious enough for you? I wrote to you on the other side, and now I'm done. Do what the hell you want. I don't care a whit about you. Celeste I'm really sorry to hear that, I know cyber words won't mean much but I hope things are going as well as they can. Maybe it will be some sort of wake up call, if the situation is even real, which I have thought from the very first post that it was drama games. Sad to say, but "fake cyber deaths" happen far more often than gets discussed. And I think the idea of having a "safecall" be someone you've never even met, not someone local to you is completely ridiculous. The safety that a safecall provides is already pretty darn useless- making it someone you don't know, someone who isn't local just seems pointless.

EasyE -> I am an idiot (3/26/2006 11:16:56 PM)
I have not had time to read all of the responses I brought upon in my rave. That was out of line and brought on by being frustaed and having a lot of things going wrong in life at once. This post is no about me. It is a public appology to BitaTruble. I should never have called here an "asswhole" or taken offence to her comments. It was a missundertanding and a mistake. Here edited posts out of grief awoke me as you can see that I was unsure as to her level of sarcasm/truth. I know now that I was kicking her while she was down and that is the worst thing I could have done. I am sorry for ruining her name by getting her involved in this and by making such a bad impression of myself. I love this community and want to be here through the good and the bad. I don't want to be hated or stir up a bee's nest. I will see if I can get the moderators to remove my disrepectful post to try and limit the damage. To make sure we are clear: I am truly sorry for what I said. I went to far and lost control and should have bit my cruel tounge. I am pursiuing this further with SimplyV from now on because it is too hard to keep the facts straight with this many people and still trying to keep privacy at a maximum.

BitaTruble -> RE: I am an idiot (3/26/2006 11:24:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: EasyE This post is no about me. It is a public appology to BitaTruble. I am truly sorry for what I said. I went to far and lost control and should have bit my cruel tounge. Thank you, Easy E. That was the mark of a gentleman and I appreciate it. Apology accepted and I'm sorry as well. I shouldn't have gone off on you just for some bold font and a name. I have thicker skin than that myself. I hope you find what you're looking for.. but, hey.. be careful anyway, ok? Celeste

BitaTruble -> RE: Updates (3/26/2006 11:32:55 PM)
quote: I'm really sorry to hear that, I know cyber words won't mean much but I hope things are going as well as they can. Thank you, LA. Your words are very much appreciated, cyber or not. Celeste

EasyE -> RE: I am an idiot (3/27/2006 5:25:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BitaTruble quote: ORIGINAL: EasyE This post is no about me. It is a public appology to BitaTruble. I am truly sorry for what I said. I went to far and lost control and should have bit my cruel tounge. Thank you, Easy E. That was the mark of a gentleman and I appreciate it. Apology accepted and I'm sorry as well. I shouldn't have gone off on you just for some bold font and a name. I have thicker skin than that myself. I hope you find what you're looking for.. but, hey.. be careful anyway, ok? Celeste I am in your debt BitaTruble... I am glad you are not completely turned off to this great place. BTW I know how easy it is to let your emotions get the best of you when you are down. If you ever want to spend a PM on me I would be interested as to what you 'found out' in your digging as it would give me an idea of how crappy security is on the int. maybe a wakeup call. As ot the rest of the readers: As I have said the details are being trusted only to SimplyV so they can stay strait and in confidence. I will not get myslef killed/kidnapped I promise you all. I know you won't believe that but it is my oath to try and keep it. I am new to this world and don't want my first experiences to be my last. I have a great life and wish you well. You can expect a post closer to April 15th and after to give the worry worts some closure.

MHOO314 -> RE: I am an idiot (3/27/2006 5:58:12 AM)
and we think this drama is real--why?

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