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FatDomDaddy -> RE: Polanski Arrested. (9/27/2009 5:22:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales

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I sincerely hope you are prepared to be held to those words.
ORIGINAL: Kirata




That will not be a problem. There are some things that are so evil, such a blight upon the world that there is no compromise to be made with them. This subject is one of them.




Ya know... I totally believe you, regardless of that SN of yours.

I also believe there is something more sinister in the defense of Polanski.




servantforuse -> RE: Polanski Arrested. (9/27/2009 5:34:27 PM)

Every once in a blue moon every thing seems at odds to me. Tazzy seems to be leaning to the 'right' on this topic, and I agree 100 % with Spinner. Go Figure...
Mike




Arpig -> RE: Polanski Arrested. (9/27/2009 6:39:15 PM)

~Fast reply~
Didn't read all the way the way through, but it isn't, to me at least, a matter of revenge, but his deal was rejected (or at least looked like it was going to be) by the judge so as far as I know his only legal option was to be sentenced to whatever the judge wanted and then to appeal. Also, as far as I know, a judge overturning a plea bargain after the plea is entered would pretty much have guaranteed an appeal, and that's what he should have done...and presumably what he is going to have to do if he is extradited...but now its going to be worse for him in his appellate hearing because he fled for 30 years.
He was dumb to run, and now its biting him in the ass. Such is life. It has nothing to do with the victim (who received an undisclosed sum...probably quite substantial) and now doesn't want the case to be public...perhaps revealing the settlement she took...who knows, she may not have paid taxes on it for all we know...the permutations are endless, and in the end her wishes are irrelevant, in a case of child molestation, the State pursues in loco parentis...they do it if the victim wants to press charges or not...much like domestic abuse, in this case the wishes of the victim have no legal standing.




rulemylife -> RE: Polanski Arrested. (9/27/2009 7:12:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales

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The probation report indicated that she consented.
ORIGINAL: Kirata




Not only as a matter only of law but of right, a 13 year old cannot "consent" to what was done to her.



While I don't want to get into a morality argument, the age of consent in California at the time was 14 and it's my understanding she was just shy of that.








Kirata -> RE: Polanski Arrested. (9/27/2009 7:29:12 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Aylee

Hence the illegal sex with a minor and not the rape, I would assume.

Exactly. It reads to me like her sharp-eyed mother jumped her when she came home, knowing full well that her daughter had already been showing off her boobies the first time 'round and recognizing a guilty look when she saw one, and the girl stammered out a defensive "he made me do it". I suspect the mother got to the bottom of that fairly quickly, after the initial shock wore off, because she was the one who asked that all of the charges be dropped except unlawful intercourse with a minor. This is not a case of some poor girl being found curled up in a fetal position, bruised and half out of her mind after a violent forcible rape. The folks screaming for the guy's death need to get a grip.

K.









SpinnerofTales -> RE: Polanski Arrested. (9/27/2009 7:34:08 PM)

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Exactly. It reads to me like her sharp-eyed mother jumped her when she came home, knowing full well that her daughter had already been showing off her boobies the first time 'round and recognizing a guilty look when she saw one, and the girl stammered out a defensive "he made me do it". I suspect the mother got to the bottom of that fairly quickly, after the initial shock wore off, because she was the one who asked that all of the charges be dropped except misdemeanor intercourse with a minor. This is not a case of some poor girl being found curled up in a fetal position, bruised and half out of her mind after a violent forceful rape. The folks screaming for the guy's death need to get a grip.
ORIGINAL: Kirata




Sorry, Kirata, but that very much like the "Dressed like she was, she was asking for it" defense of rape. It doesn't matter if this girl took off her clothes and begged for it. She was a kid. Maybe she was a stupid kid. Maybe she was a kid who was precocious in this area and "testing out her moves'. It doesn't matter. It is not the responsibility of UM's not to arouse the desire of adults. It is the responsibility of adults to know that UM's are not to be used in that way. If they can't, it is the responsibility of society to remove them permanently from it's midst.

This was not an indiscretion. This was an obscenity.




petmonkey -> RE: Polanski Arrested. (9/27/2009 7:38:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy

Good!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090927/ap_on_en_mo/eu_switzerland_polanski


Interesting that this happens around the same time that one of the murderers of his baby and Sharon died.  The universe has an interesting sense of timing.

edit to add a missing "the"




Kirata -> RE: Polanski Arrested. (9/27/2009 7:51:24 PM)


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ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales

This was not an indiscretion. This was an obscenity.

Jeeeez, she wasn't a six year old ferchrissake. She was underage, yes, but if RML is correct only barely (no pun intended). A few or whatever months later, and there'd be no grounds for charges at all. I agree that he shouldn't have. But I'll bet you dollars to donuts the storm that erupted over it was more traumatic for her than the nookie.

K.





SpinnerofTales -> RE: Polanski Arrested. (9/27/2009 8:02:49 PM)

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Jeeeez, she wasn't a six year old ferchrissake. She was underage, yes, but if RML is correct only barely (no pun intended). A few or whatever months later, and there'd be no grounds for charges at all. I agree that he shouldn't have. But I'll bet you dollars to donuts the storm that erupted over it was more traumatic for her than the nookie. ORIGINAL: Kirata




She was 13. That's not a few months. That's a flat out case of molestation.




FatDomDaddy -> RE: Polanski Arrested. (9/27/2009 8:08:26 PM)

and I'll to Spinner's statement...

NO MATTER WHAT THE AGE OF CONSENT WAS IN CALIFORNIA AT THE TIME!







Sanity -> RE: Polanski Arrested. (9/27/2009 8:10:23 PM)


Spinner is r,r,r,r,...

If he did what was reported I agree that he should be jailed for life.




Kirata -> RE: Polanski Arrested. (9/27/2009 8:10:46 PM)


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ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales

She was 13. That's not a few months. That's a flat out case of molestation.

You obviously didn't bother to read RML's post. He said the age of consent in California was 14 at the time. As she was 13, I am confident that the time until her 14th birthday would be measured in months (if not weeks or days).

K.













lusciouslips19 -> RE: Polanski Arrested. (9/27/2009 8:12:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


And Obama is dependent on Hollywood's support.

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic
Don't assume it is over yet, Serv.  The U.S. still has to pursue the extradition.  That moves this up the political ladder.  Hollywood loves Polanski.



Can you talk about a topic without throwing Obamas Name in it? No, I dont think you can.




kittinSol -> RE: Polanski Arrested. (9/27/2009 8:26:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


And Obama is dependent on Hollywood's support.

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic
Don't assume it is over yet, Serv.  The U.S. still has to pursue the extradition.  That moves this up the political ladder.  Hollywood loves Polanski.



Can you talk about a topic without throwing Obamas Name in it? No, I dont think you can.


Seriously [8|] . 

Anyway, it's obvious that Polanski's crimes are all because of the French.





Sanity -> RE: Polanski Arrested. (9/27/2009 8:36:37 PM)


Being a partisan is out now, hmm? 

I'm sure that will all change in about three years.






Marc2b -> RE: Polanski Arrested. (9/27/2009 8:56:27 PM)

Random thoughts after perusing the thread:

Few topics generate more heated controversy, more unwavering positions, or more emotion, than child molestation.

I was a victim of child rape myself when I was quite young so my own emotions are very high on this. I would personally love to line up every single child molester and gun them down.

Such intense emotion is all the more reason to assert rationality and the rule of law. Lines have to be drawn somewhere and if we keep making excuses and granting exceptions for those who cross such lines then the lines are meaningless. The girl was below the age of consent. It doesn’t matter whether she was a year under, a few months under or even three minutes under. She was under the age of consent and therefore a crime was committed. Period.

Spinner, in post number 57 said:

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I have nothing against giving an accused molester a fair trial and giving him every chance to prove his innocence.

[Emphasis Mine]

Spinner, I understand the raw anger, I really do, but we cannot let our emotions get the better of us so that we become advocates for injustice. Even accused child molesters deserve the presumption of innocence.

Fortunately, that’s not a problem in this case since the man admitted his guilt in a court of law. What should the proper punishment be? Like I said, I can understand the desire to inflict the death penalty but since I remain opposed to the death penalty I’d settle for life in prison. This is necessary to protect future potential victims. Sometimes it is not so much about punishment but just about keeping sick and evil bastards away from the rest of us. For that reason the victim’s desire not to see Polanski prosecuted really has no bearing on the situation. Her (apparent) desire not to relive a past trauma is understandable but for the protection of other minors, Polanski must be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law and – presuming a conviction after due process – given the longest sentence possible.

Something like this shouldn’t be used for political fodder but, unfortunately, we all know that it will be. No matter what President Obama says (or any particular Hollywood star) some on the Right will twist it around to make it look like President Obama and “the Hollywood Left” love child molesters. Meanwhile, some on the Left will come to the defense of this slimeball because he “is a great artist,” or some such nonsense. Accusation and counter-accusations will fly until the next great scandal (real or imagined) comes along. And the whirly-gig goes on.

Truth be told there is little, if anything, anyone of us can do except wait and see how it all plays out.




Kirata -> RE: Polanski Arrested. (9/27/2009 8:57:45 PM)


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ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy

and I'll to Spinner's statement...

NO MATTER WHAT THE AGE OF CONSENT WAS IN CALIFORNIA AT THE TIME!

Out of curiosity, at what age do you consider a female to be capable of giving consent?

And just in case kittin is onto something, does it matter if the guy is French?

K.









rulemylife -> RE: Polanski Arrested. (9/27/2009 9:04:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy

and I'll to Spinner's statement...

NO MATTER WHAT THE AGE OF CONSENT WAS IN CALIFORNIA AT THE TIME!



Then you are both making a moral argument, not a legal one.




tazzygirl -> RE: Polanski Arrested. (9/27/2009 9:04:45 PM)

~FR

Just home from work. Im all caught up with the posts here, i havent had a chance to read those on the other thread, Level. I will get to that in a moment.

When i said "let him hang" i didnt mean kill him. he needs to face his crime and accept his sentence.

Having thought about this tonight, some questions popped into my head.

First, the willingness of the mother to accept the plea. Cound it be possible there was money exchanged? or the realization that she could be held culpable for not monitoring the situation? what mother allows her daughter to go take "pictures" with a man she didnt know at a private residence?

Second... alot of this case smacks of political interference... how else did he get out of the psych ward so early?

Third... all the agreements then.. and since... why? Who was behind all that?

This is a man who committed a crime... got off light... then ran from it all, thumbing his nose at our justice system.

oh, and the final question... the victim sued and was awarded a private, undisclosed settlement... what happens to that if she doesnt testify and he walks away scott free?




Tantriqu -> RE: Polanski Arrested. (9/27/2009 9:09:17 PM)

He drugged, raped and sodomised a 13 yr old, thirty years younger than himself.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/polanskicover1.html
That's not 'just sex with a minor' or where a 15 yr old plus one month boy is caught consensually fooling around with a 14yr less one month old girl. What part of his crime is defensible?
Dudes, try to draw a line between being a troll and being sociopathic, and download some empathy by thinking of yourself in Grade 7 in Colorado being ass-raped by, say, a basketball superstar. Should she have been left alone with an adult male? Absolutely not. But why blame the victim? Do you blame a white adult male who gets hit on his head and his pocket picked while walking to his car in a shopping mall parking lot, or a kid who gets his iPod stolen? I bet you don't, because you think it might happen to you.
Guilty, guilty, guilty.




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