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Kirata -> RE: Polanski Arrested. (9/27/2009 9:10:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Marc2b

She was under the age of consent and therefore a crime was committed. Period.

Agreed. But when does a human (female in this case) stop being a "child". Is sexually molesting a six year old no different from partying with a willing 13 year old? A violation of law is a violation of law, but it does not seem to me unreasonable to consider that differing facts and circumstances merit different sentences.

K.





tazzygirl -> RE: Polanski Arrested. (9/27/2009 9:10:54 PM)

Part of the missing element is that he will be tried under the laws that existed at the time of the incident... unless i am mistaken.



Sanity -> RE: Polanski Arrested. (9/27/2009 9:20:55 PM)


Moral, or emotional.

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

Then you are both making a moral argument, not a legal one.




tazzygirl -> RE: Polanski Arrested. (9/27/2009 9:22:10 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: Marc2b

She was under the age of consent and therefore a crime was committed. Period.

Agreed. But when does a human (female in this case) stop being a "child". Is sexually molesting a six year old no different from partying with a willing 13 year old? Is some kind of switch thrown on our 18 birthday? And if you move to a different state, then they throw it when you're 16? And then, poof! you're not a "child" anymore. I commend you for seeking a reasonable position, and I agree that violations of law are violations of the law. But we distinguish between simple battery and murder, and it does not seem to me unreasonable to apply the same reasoned policy in this area too.

K.





If that is the position you wish to take, Master Kirata...

a young boy in georgia was sentenced to 10 years in prison for aggravated child molestation and statutory rape, Marcus Dixon. She was three months shy of 16... he was 18. and it was a blow job.

Now, based upon those findings... what would you consider just for a 40 something year old man who drugged, raped and sodimized a "just shy of 14" year old girl?



Marc2b -> RE: Polanski Arrested. (9/27/2009 9:24:01 PM)

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Agreed. But when does a human (female in this case) stop being a "child". Is sexually molesting a six year old no different from partying with a willing 13 year old? A violation of law is a violation of law, but it does not seem to me unerasonable to consider that differing facts and circumstances merit different sentences.


That's another topic for another thread (if it doesn't violate TOS). My point is that in situations like this we have to set our emotions aside and go with the law. If the law said she was under the age of consent, then Polanski committed a crime. I will say this, however: whatever anyone thinks the age of consent should be, any reasonable, decent person would have to agree that 13 is way to young.



FatDomDaddy -> RE: Polanski Arrested. (9/27/2009 9:26:24 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy

and I'll to Spinner's statement...

NO MATTER WHAT THE AGE OF CONSENT WAS IN CALIFORNIA AT THE TIME!

Just out of curiosity, at what age do you consider a female to be capable of giving consent?

And just in case kittin is onto something, does it matter if the guy is French?

K.


That would depend on the other party. I believe as the laws are now in the United States a person upon reaching the age of sixteen can consent to a sexual relationship with any person under the age of twenty and a person upon reaching the age of seventeen can consent to anyone under the age of twenty-one. Thus a minor under the age of eighteen, cannot have consensual sex with anyone over the age of twenty-one...That seems about right.

You disagree?



Kirata -> RE: Polanski Arrested. (9/27/2009 9:30:23 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Now, based upon those findings... what would you consider just for a 40 something year old man who drugged, raped and sodimized a "just shy of 14" year old girl?

I don't consider that comparable to the Polansky case (see here). Do you?

K.



tazzygirl -> RE: Polanski Arrested. (9/27/2009 9:36:04 PM)

I dont either. I see it as two young adults in a sexual act. Polinski committed rape and sodomy. Are you suggesting Polinski's case isnt at least as bad as the other?



rulemylife -> RE: Polanski Arrested. (9/27/2009 9:47:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Marc2b

I will say this, however: whatever anyone thinks the age of consent should be, any reasonable, decent person would have to agree that 13 is way to young.



According to the sources I have seen, though I haven't been able to find documented proof, she was just days away from her fourteenth birthday.

Whether you agree that is too young or not doesn't change the reality of the law, as you said earlier.

If she was one day too young he is guilty, but the reality is many states had 14 as the age of consent until relatively recently and I'm sure the fact she was so close to that age was a factor in the plea bargain.





Kirata -> RE: Polanski Arrested. (9/27/2009 9:48:23 PM)


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ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy

That would depend on the other party. I believe as the laws are now in the United States a person upon reaching the age of sixteen can consent to a sexual relationship with any person under the age of twenty and a person upon reaching the age of seventeen can consent to anyone under the age of twenty-one. Thus a minor under the age of eighteen, cannot have consensual sex with anyone over the age of twenty-one...That seems about right.

You disagree?

Yes. I think the age of the other party depends on the expectations that the circumstances give rise to. With respect to the very young, where the other party is an adult there is an implicit violation of trust. With those who are more mature, having reached an age in the neighborhood of the age of consent (it varies so much that I have to be fuzzy) it depends more on the role of the other party vis a vis themselves. If the other party is a parent or a teacher or such as that, then it would constitute a similar violation of trust. But with an older guy who is not in that role, who the girl just happens to take a liking too, and with whom she has consensual relations, age becomes more just a number. Hell, some people still freak at seeing a 60 year old guy with a 30 year old woman on his arm. Shameful! She must be a whore, and he must be a fool! But it's pure ageism. If they're happy, they're happy. And frankly, given that both are over the age of consent, there is no reason why either of them should give a rats ass what "seems about right" to you or anybody else.

K.



FatDomDaddy -> RE: Polanski Arrested. (9/27/2009 9:54:01 PM)

He was over thirty years her senior and she was thirteen! Not sixity and she was thirty!

The more I read your defense of him the more I keep thinking of those creeps who defended the taking of Rosemary's Baby in his movie!!!



DavanKael -> RE: Polanski Arrested. (9/27/2009 9:54:43 PM)

Fascinating...Atkins is dead and Pulanski is arrested. 
This is going to stir up a bunch of new and renewed interest in the Manson murders. 
Davan



Kirata -> RE: Polanski Arrested. (9/27/2009 10:04:38 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Polinski committed rape and sodomy.

I don't know that. I'm not sure how you could, either. Had the girl ever had champagne before? Had she ever done ludes before? Was she out partying as usual, or did he "drug" a naive girl without her knowledge and (literally, not statutorily) rape her? I just don't know. He only pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual intercourse, not rape. The findings were that the sexual activity was consensual, and it was the girl's own mother who requested that the other charges be dropped.

K.



Kirata -> RE: Polanski Arrested. (9/27/2009 10:09:46 PM)


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ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy

He was over thirty years her senior and she was thirteen!

So it comes down to the age thing with you, eh? Well I understand. If he was some 15 year old deliquent who fucked her in the dirty back seat of a car somewhere, it wouldn't be so bad.

K.






kiyana -> RE: Polanski Arrested. (9/27/2009 10:10:44 PM)

I havent read all of the posts involved in this. But sadly I have read that the victim in this case wants nothing more than all charges to be dropped. It neither makes it right or wrong what happened, but she has since collected a large sum of money from him, made her own family and moved on. The horrors of this incident being brought up so many years later have only stirred up the memories for her. So rather than debating the brutality or wrongness in this I ask, and my apologies if that has been brought up in prior posting. Should all charges be dropped at the victims request?



rulemylife -> RE: Polanski Arrested. (9/27/2009 10:12:12 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl


...a young boy in georgia was sentenced to 10 years in prison for aggravated child molestation and statutory rape, Marcus Dixon. She was three months shy of 16... he was 18. and it was a blow job.



His sentence was reversed a year later by the Georgia Supreme Court and now he's playing for the Dallas Cowboys.



Kirata -> RE: Polanski Arrested. (9/27/2009 10:14:28 PM)


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ORIGINAL: kiyana

I ask, and my apologies if that has been brought up in prior posting. Should all charges be dropped at the victims request?

It has been, and you can see the result. The morality of the righteous doesn't give a damn about her, or even about the facts and circumstances of the matter. They want Polansky dead (or in prison for life) and everybody who disagrees with them excommunicated from the "Society of Decent Folk".

K.






Lucylastic -> RE: Polanski Arrested. (9/27/2009 10:17:41 PM)

I thought he was a dirty old bastard  wayyyyyyyy back then and
now I just think hes an dirty old bastard who thought he got away with it
I like the swiss bank conspiracy angle too[;)]
should be interesting to watch this unfurl, at least for a while
Lucy



FatDomDaddy -> RE: Polanski Arrested. (9/27/2009 10:53:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: kiyana

I ask, and my apologies if that has been brought up in prior posting. Should all charges be dropped at the victims request?

It has been, and you can see the result. The morality of the righteous doesn't give a damn about her, or even about the facts and circumstances of the matter. They want Polansky dead (or in prison for life) and everybody who disagrees with them excommunicated from the "Society of Decent Folk".

K.



Two answers here..

One, its about more than the victim and her wishes, especially as an adult and especially with a likely large sum of cash in her account.

There are thousands of victims who never got a chance to settled nor were ever compensated for a adolesence lost.

Second... for that last statement, I want Polanski to stand for his crimes and be punished thusly. I do not feel he deserves the death penalty (ftr, I am opposed to capital punishment) nor do I feel he should spend his life in prison (unless he actually is convicted of rape.) But as I said...it is time for him to stand before a judge and answer.




tazzygirl -> RE: Polanski Arrested. (9/28/2009 4:40:00 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: kiyana

I ask, and my apologies if that has been brought up in prior posting. Should all charges be dropped at the victims request?

It has been, and you can see the result. The morality of the righteous doesn't give a damn about her, or even about the facts and circumstances of the matter. They want Polansky dead (or in prison for life) and everybody who disagrees with them excommunicated from the "Society of Decent Folk".

K.







I want him convicted of the crimes he plead guilty too. And you appear to want to give him another award for making it with a 13 year old lolita.



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