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pahunkboy -> RE: Chicago Olympics 2016...Not all Chicagoans seem happy (9/29/2009 2:00:49 PM)
http://larouchepac.com/lpactv?nid=11931 larouce pac comments on Obama going to Copenhagen to lobby for Chicago.

Sanity -> RE: Chicago Olympics 2016...Not all Chicagoans seem happy (9/29/2009 2:18:03 PM)
Those LaRouche people are kinda freaky, even by the far left's standards.

pahunkboy -> RE: Chicago Olympics 2016...Not all Chicagoans seem happy (9/29/2009 2:21:53 PM)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/29/2016-olympic-games-who-sh_n_303226.html?slidenumber=1#slide_image Ok- I bet it will NOT be Madrid.... or Rio. It will BE Chicago or Tokyo. Note the recent election in Japan...so it is a toss. The olympics is very political.

pahunkboy -> RE: Chicago Olympics 2016...Not all Chicagoans seem happy (9/29/2009 2:23:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Those LaRouche people are kinda freaky, even by the far left's standards. He wants a restore of glass stegal. as well as a 4 powers agreement. This means casino debts that we have absorbed would be null and VOID. The Olympics planning in the vid is on an assumption that we HAVE an economy.

SpinnerofTales -> RE: Chicago Olympics 2016...Not all Chicagoans seem happy (9/29/2009 4:30:48 PM)
Ok...hold onto your hats...but I have to say something here. It's all well and good that Chicago want's the Olympics. And I understand that the president carries his office wherever he goes (he's the first with both a laptop and a blackberry, add the "football" and we're covered) but I think going to Copenhagen to lobby for the games is a bit much. I still like the guy, I still think he's doing a good job with what he has to work with. Still, I haven't seen such a case of over exposure since Vanilla Ice.

pahunkboy -> RE: Chicago Olympics 2016...Not all Chicagoans seem happy (9/30/2009 11:03:03 AM)
I am sort of hoping Chicago gets it. I had a great life out there when I lived there. Things are good here- time and place changes. We never outlive the "2nd city" thing. Which to a Chicagoan- we do things as well and at times even better then they do in New York! It is a mentality. If someone says you cant do that- you say watch me and do something big. (people who lived there take that with them no matter where they later move to)

pahunkboy -> RE: Chicago Olympics 2016...Not all Chicagoans seem happy (9/30/2009 12:27:40 PM)
http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=54762 cut 1/2 way down here. The first lady- and Mayor Daily is there too. hmm. One thing it WOULD do- is energize people toward a larger goal and that is needed in where ever we are going as a country and such.

Mercnbeth -> RE: Chicago Olympics 2016...Not all Chicagoans seem happy (10/1/2009 7:55:16 AM)
Well, glad to see that the nonsense of carbon footprints and global warming is no longer a consideration. The Obama's took separate jumbo jets to shill for Chicago. Apparently the rumors of the decline of power of the 'Chicago Machine' are not true. Daly says - we got you in the white house - go get us the Olympics and, damn any other issue, its off to Copenhagen! Today, the First Lady took one of the White House's giant jumbo jets to fly to Copenhagen, Denmark, just one day before her husband is flying on "Air Force One," the hugely-expensive 747 jumbo jet -- think big carbon prints for two jumbo jets -- so that they can both lobby the International Olympic Committee to award Chicago the 2016 Olympics later this week in Copenhagen. Wish there was a better source to cite to document that two jumbo jets were used at taxpayer expense, but (surprisingly?) it seems that the same media calling for a reduction of carbon footprints is silent when it comes to this example.

SpinnerofTales -> RE: Chicago Olympics 2016...Not all Chicagoans seem happy (10/1/2009 8:49:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth ! Well, glad to see that the nonsense of carbon footprints and global warming is no longer a consideration. The Obama's took separate jumbo jets to shill for Chicago. Apparently the rumors of the decline of power of the 'Chicago Machine' are not true. Daly says - we got you in the white house - go get us the Olympics and, damn any other issue, its off to Copenhagen! Today, the First Lady took one of the White House's giant jumbo jets to fly to Copenhagen, Denmark, just one day before her husband is flying on "Air Force One," the hugely-expensive 747 jumbo jet -- think big carbon prints for two jumbo jets -- so that they can both lobby the International Olympic Committee to award Chicago the 2016 Olympics later this week in Copenhagen. Wish there was a better source to cite to document that two jumbo jets were used at taxpayer expense, but (surprisingly?) it seems that the same media calling for a reduction of carbon footprints is silent when it comes to this example. I think you're off base on this one, Merc. It seems obvious to me why they took two planes. Had both the president and Mrs. Obama been on airforce one and it had for any reason gone down, they would be leaving two young children without parents. I know of a number of parents with children who will not take long flights together for just that reason. Security concerns seem to also dictate that neither the presedent nor the first lady book a flight on expedia.com to keep the burden off the taxpayers. This is a common tactic to use against a president and a tempest in a teapot. The president gets to travel well, his family gets to travel well when with him. He gets to take a vacation when he chooses. The perks go with the job. I would expect you had better things to point out and consider. You usually do. On the other hand, it's nice to see that snarky, sarcastic side of you come out again. It makes me feel so much less alone. Write on.

pahunkboy -> RE: Chicago Olympics 2016...Not all Chicagoans seem happy (10/1/2009 8:53:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth Well, glad to see that the nonsense of carbon footprints and global warming is no longer a consideration. The Obama's took separate jumbo jets to shill for Chicago. Apparently the rumors of the decline of power of the 'Chicago Machine' are not true. Daly says - we got you in the white house - go get us the Olympics and, damn any other issue, its off to Copenhagen! Today, the First Lady took one of the White House's giant jumbo jets to fly to Copenhagen, Denmark, just one day before her husband is flying on "Air Force One," the hugely-expensive 747 jumbo jet -- think big carbon prints for two jumbo jets -- so that they can both lobby the International Olympic Committee to award Chicago the 2016 Olympics later this week in Copenhagen. Wish there was a better source to cite to document that two jumbo jets were used at taxpayer expense, but (surprisingly?) it seems that the same media calling for a reduction of carbon footprints is silent when it comes to this example. What? Why didn't Oprah go? ....................................... foot stomp!! Now that settles it- should Chicago lose the bid- it is Oprahs fault. I cant find the words for it- but Chicago corruption is different then DC corruption. Things manage to get done in Chicago- so that is a big reason why the people put up with it. It could be a simple item like garbage or snow-

pahunkboy -> RE: Chicago Olympics 2016...Not all Chicagoans seem happy (10/1/2009 8:54:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth ! Well, glad to see that the nonsense of carbon footprints and global warming is no longer a consideration. The Obama's took separate jumbo jets to shill for Chicago. Apparently the rumors of the decline of power of the 'Chicago Machine' are not true. Daly says - we got you in the white house - go get us the Olympics and, damn any other issue, its off to Copenhagen! Today, the First Lady took one of the White House's giant jumbo jets to fly to Copenhagen, Denmark, just one day before her husband is flying on "Air Force One," the hugely-expensive 747 jumbo jet -- think big carbon prints for two jumbo jets -- so that they can both lobby the International Olympic Committee to award Chicago the 2016 Olympics later this week in Copenhagen. Wish there was a better source to cite to document that two jumbo jets were used at taxpayer expense, but (surprisingly?) it seems that the same media calling for a reduction of carbon footprints is silent when it comes to this example. I think you're off base on this one, Merc. It seems obvious to me why they took two planes. Had both the president and Mrs. Obama been on airforce one and it had for any reason gone down, they would be leaving two young children without parents. I know of a number of parents with children who will not take long flights together for just that reason. Security concerns seem to also dictate that neither the presedent nor the first lady book a flight on expedia.com to keep the burden off the taxpayers. This is a common tactic to use against a president and a tempest in a teapot. The president gets to travel well, his family gets to travel well when with him. He gets to take a vacation when he chooses. The perks go with the job. I would expect you had better things to point out and consider. You usually do. On the other hand, it's nice to see that snarky, sarcastic side of you come out again. It makes me feel so much less alone. Write on. I tend to think there was a reason for 2 planes. It sounds wasteful- but then so is all of the govt....

pahunkboy -> RE: Chicago Olympics 2016...Not all Chicagoans seem happy (10/1/2009 8:59:33 AM)
http://www.chicago2016.org/ wow- hours to go...

tazzygirl -> RE: Chicago Olympics 2016...Not all Chicagoans seem happy (10/1/2009 9:06:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth Well, glad to see that the nonsense of carbon footprints and global warming is no longer a consideration. The Obama's took separate jumbo jets to shill for Chicago. Apparently the rumors of the decline of power of the 'Chicago Machine' are not true. Daly says - we got you in the white house - go get us the Olympics and, damn any other issue, its off to Copenhagen! Today, the First Lady took one of the White House's giant jumbo jets to fly to Copenhagen, Denmark, just one day before her husband is flying on "Air Force One," the hugely-expensive 747 jumbo jet -- think big carbon prints for two jumbo jets -- so that they can both lobby the International Olympic Committee to award Chicago the 2016 Olympics later this week in Copenhagen. Wish there was a better source to cite to document that two jumbo jets were used at taxpayer expense, but (surprisingly?) it seems that the same media calling for a reduction of carbon footprints is silent when it comes to this example. You act like this is the first time this has happened with any president, Merc... surely you arent implying that...

Mercnbeth -> RE: Chicago Olympics 2016...Not all Chicagoans seem happy (10/1/2009 10:09:27 AM)
quote: You act like this is the first time this has happened with any president, Merc... surely you arent implying that... It isn't? You can find a Presidential comparison to this situation; occurring with little or no media scrutiny? Bringing the games to the Windy City is Chicago Mayor Richard M. Daley's "vision." The entrenched Democratic powerbroker in office since 1989 would like to cap off his graft-haunted tenure with a glorious $4 billion bread-and-circuses production. The influential Daley machine backed Barack Obama for the presidential primary. Obama lavished praise on Daley's stewardship of the city. Longtime Daley cronies helped pave Obama's path to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. Now, they're returning the favor for their hometown boss. You're representing there would there be a similar silence for a Dallas 2016 push made by a sitting President Bush? The head of the Chicago 2016 bid committee is Patrick Ryan, chairman of the Aon Corp. and a co-chair of Obama's presidential inaugural committee. Also on both of those committees: Obama confidante Penny Pritzker, who, in addition, chairs the Olympic Village subcommittee and is president of Pritzker Realty Group -- a mega-developer in Illinois that could reap untold millions in project work if the Daley machine/White House campaign succeeds. Former Pritzker executive and Obama campaign treasurer Martin Nesbitt is also on the bid committee -- and serves as Daley's chairman of the Chicago Housing Authority. Another bid committee member, Michael Scott Jr., is "trying to develop a for-profit real-estate project that would sit within feet of the cycling venue if Chicago wins the 2016 Summer Games," according to the Chicago Tribune. It takes a crony-filled White House to raise a Chicago Olympic village. Daley and Obama will get the glory. America will get stuck with the bill. Some under the table AON bailout or a payback? Here are the details, again - if you find a conflicting source for cost and allocation of assets please provide it. The cost of Obama�s trip will not be close to $1 mil. It is well over $10 mil if it is a dime. The figures you quoted (accurately) are for flying a VC-25 (Presidential 747). Presidential trips require both 747s, as one is a backup. However, the costs soar when you realize that from the moment a POTUS indicates he wants to go somewhere, dozens, if not hundreds of people start preparing every detail. These details include security, communications, protocol, logistics that boggle the mind and transportation that most people never see. Several Air Force cargo planes of equipment are loaded and flown to the destination with armored limos, security personnel from the Secret Service and the relevant military branches, fuels specialists, etc. A National Airborne Operations Command Post 747 from Offutt AFB, NE will accompany him to keep POTUS in constant communications in case of national or word emergency . . . We are now up to three 747s, multiple cargo planes and costs for personnel who fly commercial ahead of POTUS. If FLOTUS flies separately, add a C-32 (757) for her and her staff, entourage, hangers-on etc, with attendant security, logistics, etc. Add a few more million dollars, though many personnel in Denmark will cover preparations for both POTUS and FLOTUS. Please When has a sitting President used two jumbo jets to shill for anything short of signing a major trade treaty or announcing "peace in our time"? Two entourages of dignitaries; one for Michelle, one for Barack. Truly, you feel this is a good use of resource; time, expense, focus, now, in this economy, for the USA? quote: Had both the president and Mrs. Obama been on airforce one and it had for any reason gone down, they would be leaving two young children without parents. This must be an example of your "sarcastic side". It must - right? Please don't represent this as a serious comment to justify the use of another jumbo jet in consideration of their children. quote: ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales This is a common tactic to use against a president and a tempest in a teapot. Really? Considering the Chicago connection and the payoffs for campaign contributors and local Chicago politicians, it could be a 'Teapot Dome' tempest. Appreciate that you have no issues with the priority the President is giving to his roots. The 2016 Olympics are the most critical issue facing the Presidency and the nation. Sorry - I can't get behind you on that.

DomKen -> RE: Chicago Olympics 2016...Not all Chicagoans seem happy (10/1/2009 10:11:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth Well, glad to see that the nonsense of carbon footprints and global warming is no longer a consideration. The Obama's took separate jumbo jets to shill for Chicago. Apparently the rumors of the decline of power of the 'Chicago Machine' are not true. Daly says - we got you in the white house - go get us the Olympics and, damn any other issue, its off to Copenhagen! Today, the First Lady took one of the White House's giant jumbo jets to fly to Copenhagen, Denmark, just one day before her husband is flying on "Air Force One," the hugely-expensive 747 jumbo jet -- think big carbon prints for two jumbo jets -- so that they can both lobby the International Olympic Committee to award Chicago the 2016 Olympics later this week in Copenhagen. Wish there was a better source to cite to document that two jumbo jets were used at taxpayer expense, but (surprisingly?) it seems that the same media calling for a reduction of carbon footprints is silent when it comes to this example. Because it is required by law that the POTUS and FLOTUS travel on government transport? Because that same law requires that official travel by either also include a press pool, staff and secret service details? Because the Secret Service prefers that POTUS and FLOTUS travel seperately for safety reasons? I am so bored with people trying to use this stuff to make hay. Bush may have sat for 7 minutes in that school on 9/11 because that is what the Secret Service wanted. Obama flies around in the most secure passenger aircraft ever built because that is what the Secret Service wants. Who volunteers to argue with the guys whose job it is to stand between the President and a bullet?

tazzygirl -> RE: Chicago Olympics 2016...Not all Chicagoans seem happy (10/1/2009 10:20:41 AM)
quote: After a short picture-taking session with the players, Bush and first lady Laura Bush headed for Kiawah Island and a closed-door reception with the Republican National Committee. It drew up to 100 people. The appearance was part of a $1.4 million fundraising haul at Kiawah, the RNC said Friday. In all, the Bushes were on the ground a few hours. The president and the first lady arrived in separate planes about 10 minutes apart Friday afternoon as Bush was traveling on Air Force One from a fundraiser in Florida. He spoke in support of a free Cuba. http://blog.rehava.com/president-george-w-bushs-visit-in-charleston 2 planes, including Air Force One, to congratulate the little league softball world series winners.

Mercnbeth -> RE: Chicago Olympics 2016...Not all Chicagoans seem happy (10/1/2009 10:27:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: After a short picture-taking session with the players, Bush and first lady Laura Bush headed for Kiawah Island and a closed-door reception with the Republican National Committee. It drew up to 100 people. The appearance was part of a $1.4 million fundraising haul at Kiawah, the RNC said Friday. In all, the Bushes were on the ground a few hours. The president and the first lady arrived in separate planes about 10 minutes apart Friday afternoon as Bush was traveling on Air Force One from a fundraiser in Florida. He spoke in support of a free Cuba. http://blog.rehava.com/president-george-w-bushs-visit-in-charleston 2 planes, including Air Force One, to congratulate the little league softball world series winners. Good for you tazzy! A stop on the way to going someplace else; however, on point. Where else is Obama and Michelle going to/from? Oh - and there is one other big difference. As a political trip, it was paid for partially by the RNC. Is Chicago picking up any of this tab?

tazzygirl -> RE: Chicago Olympics 2016...Not all Chicagoans seem happy (10/1/2009 10:34:30 AM)
No clue, dont care. Many presidents have used seperate planes for5 trips, vacations, political fund raising. And, honestly, do you have any proof that the trip was paid form, even in part, by the RNC? Costs havent changed that drastically from Bush to Obama, yet no one squealed like a stuck pig when Bush and Laura traveled seperately. Why? Perhaps some people understand its all part of the cost of running this country. If we paid Obama like some CEO's you always insist earn their money, then i would expect him to pay all his own way... yet.. wait... the CEO's dont either. The corporation does.. and no one blinks an eye.

Mercnbeth -> RE: Chicago Olympics 2016...Not all Chicagoans seem happy (10/1/2009 10:45:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl No clue, dont care. Many presidents have used seperate planes for5 trips, vacations, political fund raising. And, honestly, do you have any proof that the trip was paid form, even in part, by the RNC? Costs havent changed that drastically from Bush to Obama, yet no one squealed like a stuck pig when Bush and Laura traveled seperately. Why? Perhaps some people understand its all part of the cost of running this country. If we paid Obama like some CEO's you always insist earn their money, then i would expect him to pay all his own way... yet.. wait... the CEO's dont either. The corporation does.. and no one blinks an eye. They do in the Corporations I've been associated. A stop on the way to/from someplace else as opposed to this expense for 5 minutes of speaking time. The Chicago team will get 45 minutes to present, and Livingstone suspects Obama's portion may come to only as much as five minutes of speaking time. The military wants more troops in Afghanistan, there is a new secret nuclear site in Iran, unemployment is the highest it's been for a generation, and the health care bill can't get out of committee; but the priority is bringing back the Olympics to Mayor Daly and the Chicago political machine. You support the decision. Wow - just wow! What argument can be discussed considering that perspective?

SpinnerofTales -> RE: Chicago Olympics 2016...Not all Chicagoans seem happy (10/1/2009 10:50:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth quote: Appreciate that you have no issues with the priority the President is giving to his roots. The 2016 Olympics are the most critical issue facing the Presidency and the nation. Sorry - I can't get behind you on that. Either you didn't read or didn't choose to notice my posting, long before this, saying that I thought the President should stay in the white house and didn't really need to go to Copenahgan for this matter. Personally, I think that there are more important things to be worried about at this moment. And as for your previous comment, yes, there are reasons that the POTUS and FLOTUS don't fly together, children among them just as there are reasons the POTUS and VPOTUS can never travel together. It's called security protocols and I think they're a pretty good idea. Just as I think and stated long previous to this conversation, I think the president has more important things to do than try to get the Olympics for the USA in general or Chicago in particular. Likewise, I think we have more important issues than whether he should go on a business trip with the white house air planes or if he should be talking with Bill Shatner to get tickets from priceline.com. Oh..and the reason there aren't a lot of alternate citations of the cost of this thing is ......ready for this..it isn't news. The only sites that are dealing with this are the right wing (isn't it amazing how many "libertarian independents" end up quoting from those) sites that make MSNBC look like....well, a news organization.

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