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SpinnerofTales -> RE: Chicago Olympics 2016...Not all Chicagoans seem happy (10/1/2009 10:56:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth Appreciate that you have no issues with the priority the President is giving to his roots. The 2016 Olympics are the most critical issue facing the Presidency and the nation. Sorry - I can't get behind you on that. Either you didn't read or didn't choose to notice my posting, long before this, saying that I thought the President should stay in the white house and didn't really need to go to Copenahgan for this matter. Personally, I think that there are more important things to be worried about at this moment. And as for your previous comment, yes, there are reasons that the POTUS and FLOTUS don't fly together, children among them just as there are reasons the POTUS and VPOTUS can never travel together. It's called security protocols and I think they're a pretty good idea. Just as I think and stated long previous to this conversation, I think the president has more important things to do than try to get the Olympics for the USA in general or Chicago in particular. Likewise, I think we have more important issues than whether he should go on a business trip with the white house air planes or if he should be talking with Bill Shatner to get tickets from priceline.com. Oh..and the reason there aren't a lot of alternate citations of the cost of this thing is ......ready for this..it isn't news. The only sites that are dealing with this are the right wing isn't it amazing how many "libertarian independents" end up quoting from those) sites that make MSNBC look like....well, a news organization. (Isn't it amazing how many self styled "libertarian independents" end up quoting from those?)

Mercnbeth -> RE: Chicago Olympics 2016...Not all Chicagoans seem happy (10/1/2009 10:59:29 AM)
quote: POTUS and VPOTUS can never travel together. Michelle was named VP for this trip? quote: ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth Appreciate that you have no issues with the priority the President is giving to his roots. The 2016 Olympics are the most critical issue facing the Presidency and the nation. Sorry - I can't get behind you on that. Either you didn't read or didn't choose to notice my posting, long before this, saying that I thought the President should stay in the white house and didn't really need to go to Copenhagen for this matter. Personally, I think that there are more important things to be worried about at this moment. And as for your previous comment, yes, there are reasons that the POTUS and FLOTUS don't fly together, children among them just as there are reasons the POTUS and VPOTUS can never travel together. It's called security protocols and I think they're a pretty good idea. Just as I think and stated long previous to this conversation, I think the president has more important things to do than try to get the Olympics for the USA in general or Chicago in particular. Likewise, I think we have more important issues than whether he should go on a business trip with the white house air planes or if he should be talking with Bill Shatner to get tickets from priceline.com. Oh..and the reason there aren't a lot of alternate citations of the cost of this thing is ......ready for this..it isn't news. The Christian Coalition website, Merc? I kind of expected better from you. You forgot a critical clause regarding this not being news; "in my opinion". Wasting resources seems to be news when it suits the agenda of the media; the global warming religious zealots, or is contingent on the party doing the wasting. The source represented the cold numbers of cost. Care to correct them? Or is this another use of the "when you can't attack the facts - attack the source"? Why wasn't there the same risk assessment for other trips made together by the Obama's? When they went to London, or to NYC for a night at the theater; they traveled together. Where's the consistency? Three of four jets for a 5 minute presentation. Maybe they should have considered this.

tazzygirl -> RE: Chicago Olympics 2016...Not all Chicagoans seem happy (10/1/2009 11:04:26 AM)
From your own link... quote: But not all Republicans were critical of the president. Mitt Romney, who ran the 2002 Winter Games in Salt Lake City and is considered a possible Obama rival in 2012, said he supports Obama’s trip. “I think it’s the right thing for him to do. And I think with him going, the prospects are very good,” Romney told POLITICO. “Had he not gone, we most likely would have lost.” Political experts also said that there are several potential side benefits to the Chicago effort that could outweigh any political risk. First, Obama will dominate the headlines with a foreign trip with a nonpolitical and popular goal. That will push the contentious health care debate and tricky decisions on how to win the war in Afghanistan, at least for a few hours, out of the news cycle. And if he wins, voters will associate Obama with making the closing argument for the successful deal. ... The president will be just one member of a Chicago bid team that includes prominent past Olympians and the entertainment mogul Oprah Winfrey. The Chicago team will get 45 minutes to present, and Livingstone suspects Obama’s portion may come to only as much as five minutes of speaking time. Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0909/27677_Page3.html#ixzz0ShwYUBVR From another source quote: Still, the White House clearly wanted to send a high-power emissary. It has become increasingly common for national leaders to lobby for their cities. In 2005, Tony Blair, Britain’s prime minister at the time, went to Singapore to lobby successfully for London’s bid to host the 2012 Games. In 2007, Vladimir V. Putin, then Russia’s president, went to Guatemala, where he won the right to host the 2014 Winter Games in Sochi. http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/11/first-lady-not-president-will-present-chicagos-olympic-case/ Him going isnt precedent setting at all. quote: Mr. Obama will leave Washington late Thursday for the overnight flight, arriving in the Danish capital just in time to make a presentation on behalf of Chicago’s bid to the voting members of the International Olympic Committee on Friday morning. After also meeting with Danish leaders, he will then fly directly back to Washington on Friday. ... But the decision to make the trip comes at an exceedingly busy time for Mr. Obama. His plan to overhaul the nation’s health care system is reaching a critical juncture in Congress, he is in the midst of deciding whether to send more troops to Afghanistan and he is trying to rally the international community to stand firm against Iran’s nuclear program. In fact, multi-nation talks with Iran open on Thursday, even as Mr. Obama jets across the Atlantic. http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/28/a-presidential-olympic-bid/ Now, while you and others may not agree with his decision, its his decision to leave the First Lady there to deal with the Olympic issue while he returns home to deal with others. Growing up, i remember being told.. "pick and choose your battles" I think many need to take that phrase to heart. When someone whines about every move, nothing they say is taken seriously.

Mercnbeth -> RE: Chicago Olympics 2016...Not all Chicagoans seem happy (10/1/2009 11:13:07 AM)
Tazzy, You again mistake me for a Republican. Mitt Romney wouldn't represent himself as a hypocrite criticizing Obama when he made a few of these trips on behalf a Utah. It was a waste of resources then - it is a bigger and more expensive waste of resources now. In another thread you were against politics as usual; now you use them as a rationalization for supporting this 5 minute presentation? quote: When someone whines about every move, nothing they say is taken seriously. Only the waste and no requirement to take them anywhere. However personally I would miss being entertained by the rationalizations coming from the very people who condemned similar actions in the past. It's fun to watch 'true believers' rationalize actions they used to condemn; and I'll admit doing so generates a selfish, sadistic pleasure.

tazzygirl -> RE: Chicago Olympics 2016...Not all Chicagoans seem happy (10/1/2009 11:16:56 AM)
Im not mistaking you for any such thing. I personally dont think you wish to attribute your "allegiance" to any party in case that party ever fails. You appear to me like most wealth of america... your party is green... and not ecology wise. I am completely against politics as usual. As i said.. pick and chose your battles. Some i can see a possibility of winning, others really arent that important to me. and others are too far ingrained in people like to you to be seen as anything other than normal. Congrats, you made it [;)]

rulemylife -> RE: Chicago Olympics 2016...Not all Chicagoans seem happy (10/1/2009 11:18:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth ............. her husband is flying on "Air Force One," the hugely-expensive 747 jumbo jet Imagine that. The President flying on the "hugely-expensive 747 jumbo jet" called Air Force One. Who would have believed such an egregious waste of money would happen? After all, I clearly remember Bush flying in coach on Delta.

housesub4you -> RE: Chicago Olympics 2016...Not all Chicagoans seem happy (10/1/2009 11:22:30 AM)
It's one of those "you're dammed if you do and You're dam if you don't" things people like to jump on. So if he goes people are pissed, if he does not people are pissed. If we get the dam thing people will say he had nothing to do with it, if we don't it will be all his fault. personally, I think we need all the Good Will we can get around the world and if this helps great. I mean he will be gone less than 18 hours, some people are only happy when they can find fault in what others are doing (not directed at you MB, just a open statement with some of the crap I have heard on the news).

Thadius -> RE: Chicago Olympics 2016...Not all Chicagoans seem happy (10/1/2009 11:23:21 AM)
Fast Reply Of course there is nothing in this trip for the Obama's or their close personal friends (and or advisors). The $2 BILLION that is to be spent on purchasing property and building the various sites, would be up for 'fair and open" bids... Nevermind, the fact that Valerie Jarrett's company (I mean the company she was CEO of prior to going to work for the White House) Habitat, owns most, if not all, of the property that would be purchased for this purpose. I mean there is no need to worry about the appearance of a conflict of interest, or any sort of personal gains to be made.... after all the White House even provided an "ethics waiver" for Ms. Jarrett. I love this new transparency in our federal government, it reminds me of home, Chicago. There are enough different sources out there to read up on this specific issue. Just do a search for Valerie Jarret, Grove Park, Habitat in Chicago, etc... I figure allowing you the reader to look up the info from whatever site you trust, it takes the whole political spin debate out of the equation. I did some point by point connections last year around this time, in a post on these boards, and just want to remind folks that this development firm was also involved with another close friend of the Obama's, Mr. Rezko.... just another coincidence... I wish you all well, Thadius

Thadius -> RE: Chicago Olympics 2016...Not all Chicagoans seem happy (10/1/2009 11:33:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth ............. her husband is flying on "Air Force One," the hugely-expensive 747 jumbo jet Imagine that. The President flying on the "hugely-expensive 747 jumbo jet" called Air Force One. Who would have believed such an egregious waste of money would happen? After all, I clearly remember Bush flying in coach on Delta. I agree, presidents and their spouses have done this for as long as I can remember. Michelle was scheduled to go with the Chicago envoy, for quite some time now. My only concern is the way it was decided to have the president go... it just seems a bit like some political favors being paid back to the folks back home, and possibly to some financial backers... quote: http://www.chicagobusiness.com/cgi-bin/article.pl?page_id=2308&plckController=Blog&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3a1daca073-2eab-468e-9f19-ec177090a35cPost%3a17036ecb-70be-406c-91ef-18472538b67b&sid Ms. Jarrett said the president several days ago personally communicated his desire to be in Copenhagen to Mayor Richard M. Daley. "The president has been an ardent supporter from the beginning," Ms. Jarrett added. "He cares passionately about bringing the Olympics to Chicago. . . .It's good for the U.S. and it's good for Chicago. We talk about it every day." Ms. Jarrett did not say when a final decision would be made. But that is likely by this weekend or very early next week, sources familiar with the matter said. At least in tone, Ms. Jarrett's comments were strikingly different from those of a few days ago, when the White House first announced that the president "at this time" would not be able to attend, and then Mr. Obama himself flatly said he would not go to Copenhagen. Both Ms. Obama and Ms. Jarrett are expected to be in Copenhagen on Sept. 30, two days before the IOC is scheduled to decide whether to award the Olympics to Chicago, Rio de Janeiro, Madrid or Tokyo. Maybe, I am just a bit jaded when it comes to Chicago and the way political favors are handled. It is now becoming more clear, why Mr. Jarrett was not interested in being considered for the Senate seat that was left open by Pres. Obama. As many around here have said for years, follow the money. I wish you well, Thadius

Mercnbeth -> RE: Chicago Olympics 2016...Not all Chicagoans seem happy (10/1/2009 11:39:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth ............. her husband is flying on "Air Force One," the hugely-expensive 747 jumbo jet Imagine that. The President flying on the "hugely-expensive 747 jumbo jet" called Air Force One. Who would have believed such an egregious waste of money would happen? After all, I clearly remember Bush flying in coach on Delta. You should take up this argument with the quoted source. It was their editorializing on the issue, not mine. quote: and others are too far ingrained in people like to you to be seen as anything other than normal. Congrats, you made it Made what tazzy? Usually I can follow your thought line, but don't understand what I made. I want to know what I should be celebrating. quote: I personally dont think you wish to attribute your "allegiance" to any party in case that party ever fails. You appear to me like most wealth of america... your party is green.. Wrong again! Although I appreciate being considered part of the "wealth of america"; I have nowhere near the wealth of anyone flying to Copenhagen. Truly that group of Chicago politicos is wealth and political power or else they wouldn't have the ability to send the President to shill for them. Although I enjoy generating 'green'; my ambition is to represent pragmatism. Were I to wear a label to represent my politics or my religion it would be pragmatic. I recommend everyone try it, at least for a few days. What's good/bad isn't party based it's result/action based. Integrity it much easier to maintain if you are not spending most of your time rationalizing waste and stupidity. Looking at things on a pragmatic basis instead of agenda, eliminates a lot of land-mind issues where you come across as a hypocrite. Not that I don't have an agenda; but that too is pragmatic. I don't want to contribute any more taxes than I have to legally going to waste. Sorry if you think that's a bad thing; but unlike those who once upon a time used to condemn any example of the misuse of resources who are now silent, I can speak up. How many tons of carbon were put in the environment for a 5 minute Presidential speech for the Chicago Olympics? But the religion of global warming seems to be on holiday too.

tazzygirl -> RE: Chicago Olympics 2016...Not all Chicagoans seem happy (10/1/2009 11:45:32 AM)
Perceptions and assumptions are often wrong. congrats again!

Mercnbeth -> RE: Chicago Olympics 2016...Not all Chicagoans seem happy (10/1/2009 12:15:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Perceptions and assumptions are often wrong. congrats again! Agreed! Which is why when they are correct, as in the case of this Administration's actions and results to date, it's satisfying to point them out. Appreciate the accolades!

SpinnerofTales -> RE: Chicago Olympics 2016...Not all Chicagoans seem happy (10/1/2009 12:19:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth Agreed! Which is why when they are correct, as in the case of this Administration's actions and results to date, it's satisfying to point them out. Appreciate the accolades! Does this trip to Copenhagen mean you might not vote for Obama in '12, Merc?

Mercnbeth -> RE: Chicago Olympics 2016...Not all Chicagoans seem happy (10/1/2009 12:41:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth Agreed! Which is why when they are correct, as in the case of this Administration's actions and results to date, it's satisfying to point them out. Appreciate the accolades! Does this trip to Copenhagen mean you might not vote for Obama in '12, Merc? My question would be, other than the votes generated by the Daly Chicago machine; did it generate any? However, your question assumes he'll be on the ticket. Unlike the apologists on the CM boards there is much discontent with this Administration in the general public and within the Democratic party. Without a dramatic change I'll maintain my anyone but an incumbent voting record. But you know that Spinner, so I take it this is another example of your humor? You know what's amazing about this thread? Not one denial from anyone concerning the facts of the matter; the cost, the time, the focus, the prioritizing. One weak attempt at establishing precedent but the facts of that occurrence support the exceptional status of this trip. More telling is the lack of denial of this trip being an indicator of Obama's Chicago political machine connections; which is often used to define corrupt city politics. I was amazed to find out that all the expense, time, and pomp and circumstance is going for a 45 minute presentation of which Obama's part is going to be 5 minutes. Nobody else seems to have second thoughts that maybe this wasn't a good idea. I would hope for the sake of his image that someone made a back room deal assuming that Obama comes back with a victory. If he can't convince the Olympic committee to side with him and the USA; what hope is there for building an international coalition for Afghanistan, Iran, or the potential ongoing occupational force necessary to maintain the security of Iraq? Or was this Obama's way of showing that he considers the US on par with Japan, Argentina, and Spain not only regarding the Olympics, but in all matters? BTW - just in case someone wants to read more into that than intended, that's a neutral question not an accusation.

Vendaval -> RE: Chicago Olympics 2016...Not all Chicagoans seem happy (10/1/2009 3:21:50 PM)
Fast Reply - I would like to see Chicago host the Olympic games. There are plenty of people out of work in the US that would be grateful for jobs and the entire region would gain an economic boost. In regards to the Obamas flying in separate planes, I agree with the posters that have stated this is a security issue.

lusciouslips19 -> RE: Chicago Olympics 2016...Not all Chicagoans seem happy (10/1/2009 3:33:41 PM)
Im a Chicagoan. Call me Miss gloomy but all I can think about is the downtown gridlock and already lack of parking issues. I just dont know how the city will deal with this onslaught and transportation nightmare in an effective way.

DomKen -> RE: Chicago Olympics 2016...Not all Chicagoans seem happy (10/1/2009 3:45:34 PM)
Of course there will be traffic problems. Although with most events being on the south side along the red line it shouldn't be that bad. We have huge shows at McCormick Place all the time, Housewares show is around 100k attendees, and we don't grind to a halt.

lusciouslips19 -> RE: Chicago Olympics 2016...Not all Chicagoans seem happy (10/1/2009 5:24:15 PM)
I believe this will be a bit bigger than that.

tazzygirl -> RE: Chicago Olympics 2016...Not all Chicagoans seem happy (10/1/2009 10:01:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Perceptions and assumptions are often wrong. congrats again! Agreed! Which is why when they are correct, as in the case of this Administration's actions and results to date, it's satisfying to point them out. Appreciate the accolades! my my, you do think highly of yourself... wasnt it a recent past president who spent most of his first year in office on vacation... well.. more than any other president? didnt see anyone bitching about his lack of attention to the nation then... as much as you may try to deny, your republican, to your toes. you whine and moan about what Obama is doing, yet when its pointed out how its been the norm in the past, without a whimper, you want to try and sling out the... but im not a republican either. my grandpa would have said to you... son, shit or get off the pot, but take your lies elsewhere.

Mercnbeth -> RE: Chicago Olympics 2016...Not all Chicagoans seem happy (10/1/2009 10:15:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Perceptions and assumptions are often wrong. congrats again! Agreed! Which is why when they are correct, as in the case of this Administration's actions and results to date, it's satisfying to point them out. Appreciate the accolades! my my, you do think highly of yourself... wasnt it a recent past president who spent most of his first year in office on vacation... well.. more than any other president? didnt see anyone bitching about his lack of attention to the nation then... s much as you may try to deny, your republican, to your toes. you whine and moan about what Obama is doing, yet when its pointed out how its been the norm in the past, without a whimper, you want to try and sling out the... but im not a republican either. my grandpa would have said to you... son, shit or get off the pot, but take your lies elsewhere. Sorry to have hit such a sensitive nerve. However it is good to see we agree fundamentally that there is no change from any past President. I've been saying that since January. I'll continue to be critical, if for no other reason, to see this reaction.

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