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Should Male Transvestites Be Allowed To Disguise Their Birth Sex?


Do you feel it is okay to disguise your birth sex?
  44% (17)
Do you feel it is not okay to disguise your birth sex?
  55% (21)


Total Votes : 38
(last vote on : 9/30/2009 5:32:56 PM)
(Poll ended: 10/2/2009 1:00:00 PM)


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Aylee -> RE: Should Male Transvestites Be Allowed To Disguise Their Birth Sex? (9/28/2009 7:55:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MsLeslieBabydoll

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ORIGINAL: CalifChick

I didn't say they WERE mandatory.  You made the statement about testing in "most birth mothers in 2009", and I'm saying back it up or shut up.  I don't need to ask my doctor about a statement YOU made.

Cali



Yeah, put up or shut up!  Where is your evidence that doctors are not doing ANY DNA TESTING ON ANY CONCEIVED CHILDREN?   where, where?!!!??!  So comical, I am throwing up at how funny you are!



Why is this an "ANY" or "MANDATORY ALL"?    And it is not even on "most."  Most parents do NOT need to go through genetic counseling during the pregnancy.




MsLeslieBabydoll -> RE: Should Male Transvestites Be Allowed To Disguise Their Birth Sex? (9/28/2009 7:55:36 PM)

Yes california chick, prove to us that newborns being tested for xx and xy DNA at birth, in all 50 states!  You brought it up!




CalifChick -> RE: Should Male Transvestites Be Allowed To Disguise Their Birth Sex? (9/28/2009 7:55:59 PM)

Okay, I'm done here.  The lengths you'll go to avoid a question only make serve to further undermine anything of merit you might have said.  I'm glad you're amused.  It doesn't appear that anyone else is.

Cali




MsLeslieBabydoll -> RE: Should Male Transvestites Be Allowed To Disguise Their Birth Sex? (9/28/2009 7:57:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: stella41b


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ORIGINAL: MsLeslieBabydoll

and your point is?  [:D]


Forget it. If you didn't get it the first or second time then there's no point in going over it a third time.

quote:

ORIGINAL: MsLeslieBabydoll

Yes, the honesty and openness of male transvestites is the subject of the opinion poll. That is correct!



Like it was in that thread you started with your previous profile. Too bad you screwed up there by picking on me. Only this 'research' and 'opinion poll' doesn't offer clear definitions or even a clear context but just seems to be picked from the air.

You want to be drawn into a personal flaming thing, I'm refusing to be drawn. I'm through.

Now you can deceive yourself (but not many others, from what I can see) through having fun with your 'truth mission' don't let me stop you or spoil your fun.

And seeing that you need something to be upset about, I would suggest that you work out your own anger issues before bothering yourself with what others here are doing.

Happy now? You can vent all you like, flame me, call me all the names under the sun. I won't be here to read it.

Have fun.

I wish you well.


Oh I wish you well sweetie!  geez, it must REALLY BE IN THE WEE HOURS OF THE MORNING OVER THERE IN GMT LAND!




purepleasure -> RE: Should Male Transvestites Be Allowed To Disguise Their Birth Sex? (9/28/2009 7:57:32 PM)

I was addressing the question to you, Leslie.




MsLeslieBabydoll -> RE: Should Male Transvestites Be Allowed To Disguise Their Birth Sex? (9/28/2009 7:58:20 PM)

HA!  I AM AMUSED BY YOU!




purepleasure -> RE: Should Male Transvestites Be Allowed To Disguise Their Birth Sex? (9/28/2009 7:59:41 PM)

aha, and another obvious attempt to avoid backing up your statements with fact, that is not your opinion




MsLeslieBabydoll -> RE: Should Male Transvestites Be Allowed To Disguise Their Birth Sex? (9/28/2009 8:00:14 PM)

oh so funny!  Good night, sweet dreams to all!




CarrieO -> RE: Should Male Transvestites Be Allowed To Disguise Their Birth Sex? (9/28/2009 8:01:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MsLeslieBabydoll

Why don't you just stop now before you embarrass yourself further?  [:D]


OP, it would behoove you to follow your own advice.




purepleasure -> RE: Should Male Transvestites Be Allowed To Disguise Their Birth Sex? (9/28/2009 8:03:21 PM)

mm-hmmm. just like a coward, cut and run when you can't handle being called on your own words.




WyldHrt -> RE: Should Male Transvestites Be Allowed To Disguise Their Birth Sex? (9/28/2009 8:11:16 PM)

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Male transvestites are NOT genetic, birth sex females.  A female IS NOT a male transvestite.  Pre-operation, pro-operation, and non-operation transsexuals, whether they are Male to Female, or Female to Male, are NOT females, WHATSOEVER.

You said this ^
quote:

I just gotta ask.... so, if a Female to Male transsexual is NOT female WHATSOEVER, despite the existence of female DNA and reproductive organs.... what is xhe? Does this mean that M to F transsexuals are NOT males, WHATSOEVER? If so, by whose standards?

I asked this ^
quote:

Whether you are male or female is dependent on the type of DNA that is present; NOT what kind of sex organs someone has, at the time of your birth.  Birth sex is still the determinate in all 50 states in determining your sex at birth, based on DNA results.  I don't make the standards, the medical community makes those standards.  If you want different standards, perhaps your complaint is with the American Medical Association, and not Me.

You took a hard left and completely avoided the question. ^
I'll ask it again. If a F to M transsexual "is not a female, whatsoever" (your words), then what is xhe?

Oh, I helpfully bolded the part where you state that birth sex is determined by DNA results in all 50 states. Maybe now you will answer the questions others asked about this?






purepleasure -> RE: Should Male Transvestites Be Allowed To Disguise Their Birth Sex? (9/28/2009 8:30:20 PM)

Thanks for posting that Wyld.




WyldHrt -> RE: Should Male Transvestites Be Allowed To Disguise Their Birth Sex? (9/28/2009 8:52:31 PM)

I live to be helpful, Purpley One [:D]




Aylee -> RE: Should Male Transvestites Be Allowed To Disguise Their Birth Sex? (9/28/2009 8:54:53 PM)

You know what people?  Having to go through genetic counseling for your unborn is NOT a happy fun experience.  It really PISSES me off that some jerk is claiming that it is common place and used by hospitals and doctors so that eventually, perhaps, the child can be discriminated against by said jerk.  WTF people? 




creamgirl -> RE: Should Male Transvestites Be Allowed To Disguise Their Birth Sex? (9/28/2009 8:54:58 PM)

hello




purepleasure -> RE: Should Male Transvestites Be Allowed To Disguise Their Birth Sex? (9/28/2009 8:58:49 PM)

hi creamgirl, if you really want to introduce yourself on this particular thread, bless your heart. Actually, there is a whole section of forums for just that thing. If you go to All Forums, there's a section titled Introductions. You'll make a great first impression from there.




purepleasure -> RE: Should Male Transvestites Be Allowed To Disguise Their Birth Sex? (9/28/2009 9:04:48 PM)

I agree with you Aylee. Unless there's a possibility of a problem with the fetus, imo, it's safer to wait until the child is born.




lusciouslips19 -> RE: Should Male Transvestites Be Allowed To Disguise Their Birth Sex? (9/28/2009 9:20:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MsLeslieBabydoll

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ORIGINAL: KYsissy

I noticed you do not have male or female in your profile.  You identify as transexual. Is this preop or post op? you do not specify, this is in my opinion, also deceptive.

But I don't really care. You are in Minnesota and the chance that we will ever have any contact beyond CM is slim to none.



You know, I was not disrespectful on the bulletin board to you.  I chose to simply communicate with you privately one time prior to this, to address a point that you had made about Me, that was wholly inaccurate, in public on the bulletin board.  However, if you want to get into a contest of wills, I am intelligent enough to draw you out into a debate, then slowly take you down, one word at a time, until you have no credibility left.  Now, we could go down that path, or, you can stop now before you have embarrassed yourself AGAIN into non-relevance, apologize to Me for your transgressions, and we can both move on.

You see, instead of making grand, unsubstantiated statements about My sex, you should take the time to learn about Me.  Since you can't, or won't, ask Me privately, I will simply straighten you out publicly, right here on the bulletin board. 

Here is from another public posting that I have made on Collar Me.  Please take the time to read, so that you will not further insult Me on the public bulletin boards:

"I am not a "Pre-Op MtoF or FtoM Transsexual".  I am not a "Post-Op MtoF or FtoMTranssexual".  I am not a "Non-Op MtoF or FtoM Transsexual". Technically, and medically, I am a "Genetic Transsexual", and the type of genetic transsexual that I am is classified as "female mosaic"; however, under a standard DNA test, I test out completely at 100% female, every time.  There are approximately 1 in 500 million people in a similar genetic circumstance with Myself.  Because I have a miniscule amount (less than .05% of my total genetic material, and only in my DNA) of genetic material of a sex that does not show up on any conventional gender test, it is totally accurate to state that I am a "mosaic", which is a genetically transgendered person; therefore, stating that my gender is transgendered is a simple way to explain it to someone who does not have my understanding, or depth of knowledge, about human genetics, that I do.  My base RNA is 100% GENETICALLY FEMALE, my chemical requirements for my cells are for that of a genetic female, therefore, I am a genetic female.  However, because .05%, out of 100 trillion of the cells in My body, are not genetically xx cells (they are xy), in the spirit of transparency, I DO NOT CLAIM THAT MY SEX IS FEMALE IN MY COLLAR ME PROFILE, EVEN THOUGH I MAY LAY A LEGITIMATE LEGAL CLAIM TO DO SO!"  I am 100% accurate about the representation of Myself to ALL PERSONS, AT ALL TIMES.

This is what you wrote a few minutes ago on the bulletin board to Me:

"I noticed you do not have male or female in your profile.  You identify as transexual. Is this preop or post op? you do not specify, this is in my opinion, also deceptive.

But I don't really care. You are in Minnesota and the chance that we will ever have any contact beyond CM is slim to none."

Why you wrote this, I have no idea, except to prove that you can be one very rude person.  And if you would care to do so, you are more than welcome to join My husband and I for a wonderful meal, at a relatively inexpensive restaurant of your choice, in your home city.  I will pay for your meal.  Then, after that meal, I believe that you would have an obligation to come right back here to Collar Me and then take the same amount of time, as you have taken tonight to attempt to discredit Me (because, apparently, you were unhappy that I brought up an issue with credibility involving numerous male transvestites on the CM website), to be able to say "I made a mistake about you.  I am sorry for it, and am adult enough to take responsibility for it, and say that I was wrong.  Will you forgive me?"

I will gladly meet you in any public setting, anytime, anywhere.  I am a VERY public person; let's see how public you are too.  I did not deserve the crap you wrote about Me tonight.  And if you cannot be admit that you were wrong, at the very least, admit that you made a mistake about Me.



Stella is a genetic Mosiac also. So I expect that you would apologize publically for insulting her and saying she was a cross dresser..




DarkSteven -> RE: Should Male Transvestites Be Allowed To Disguise Their Birth Sex? (9/28/2009 9:32:31 PM)

OP, I've got a problem with your question as written.  I consider it sorta wrong for a TV to present as the opposite sex, but I really don't like the work "allowed".  That implies an enforcement mechanism which I cannot figure.

It's the Internet, and people on the Internet are not always what they seem...




LanceHughes -> RE: Should Male Transvestites Be Allowed To Disguise Their Birth Sex? (9/28/2009 9:36:32 PM)

Folks, let's just let MsLeslie alone.  The moderators have been here twice (at least, that I know of) and I'm tired of dealing with a person that won't listen to any advice (much less take it.)  She is argumentative, and yet doesn't conduct her side of the discussion in a fair nor logical manner.

I think the best way to handle an attention pig is to ignore them.

<As Lance again walks away, he shakes his head to clear it of the thought that maybe, just maybe this thread might have risen above what it became shortly after it started.  Flaming, inneudo, and illogic, not to mention bad science posing under the guise of "personal research">




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