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Should Male Transvestites Be Allowed To Disguise Their Birth Sex?


Do you feel it is okay to disguise your birth sex?
  44% (17)
Do you feel it is not okay to disguise your birth sex?
  55% (21)


Total Votes : 38
(last vote on : 9/30/2009 5:32:56 PM)
(Poll ended: 10/2/2009 1:00:00 PM)


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Lockit -> RE: Should Male Transvestites Be Allowed To Disguise Their Birth Sex? (9/28/2009 6:26:14 PM)

Wow, I wish you had known all that when you threatened me with legal action. lol




MsLeslieBabydoll -> RE: Should Male Transvestites Be Allowed To Disguise Their Birth Sex? (9/28/2009 6:27:26 PM)

All of My posts, within this thread, are My personal opinion, and My opinion alone.  Any reference, by any other party, other than Myself, concerning My posts in this thread, that does not recognize My prior statement, is an invalid reference, and therefore, not a valid statement about My opinion!  [:D]




Lockit -> RE: Should Male Transvestites Be Allowed To Disguise Their Birth Sex? (9/28/2009 6:28:51 PM)

ROFL...




purepleasure -> RE: Should Male Transvestites Be Allowed To Disguise Their Birth Sex? (9/28/2009 6:30:06 PM)

yeah, pretty amazing how a set of standards doesn't apply to everyone.




MsLeslieBabydoll -> RE: Should Male Transvestites Be Allowed To Disguise Their Birth Sex? (9/28/2009 6:30:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lockit

Wow, I wish you had known all that when you threatened me with legal action. lol


You'll have to do something illegal against Me to make it worthwhile to pursue a legal case against you!  I am patient though, so, do your best!  Carpe' Diem!  [:D]




MsLeslieBabydoll -> RE: Should Male Transvestites Be Allowed To Disguise Their Birth Sex? (9/28/2009 6:32:16 PM)

It is AMAZING the lengths that people go to just to show that they can have a clique and have them write post after post giving atta boys and atta girls to the person that posts a rude or offensive remark!  Geez, so that is what it is like here all the time?  I NEVER KNEW!  [:D]




LadyPact -> RE: Should Male Transvestites Be Allowed To Disguise Their Birth Sex? (9/28/2009 6:33:08 PM)

I did happen to answer your poll.  In fact, I made My opinion clear on it in the other thread.  I'll repost that comment here to make it easier on you:

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact

It's entirely possible that the OP is still around and has just hidden her profile.  After being called on a couple of points, such as her saying in her posts that she is married, but it wasn't listed on her profile (I'm so tempted to say pot meet kettle) and some of the personal exchanges that were prompted in cmail over this thread, it wouldn't surprise Me a bit if it's either hidden or deleted.

Whichever the case, I read the whole thread and I'm still responding to it.  The thread will be on the site long after a lot of folks close their profiles.

For the record, I have never studied gender or sexual psychological issues.  I'm a layman on the subject.  In fact, I would probably best be described as ignorant.  That being said, there are a few comments that I have.

After the long post/rant by the OP, I do agree with one thing.  In My personal opinion, it is unethical to misrepresent yourself.  If you are male, female, trans, or any other thing that identifies you, that is how you should present yourself.  I realize this may not be entirely easy for some with the boxes that are available to check.  Yet, that is what a person's profile can be used for.  Say for example, a person was born genetically male but is currently in transition, you could click any box.  It does seem appropriate to Me to list your circumstances in the body of the profile to say something such as where you are in your transition.  I feel that is the most honest thing to do.  Granted, this may reduce your chances to be involved with those who have a preference for only those born genetically female.  The reality is it that is probably in your own best interest to avoid such situations anyway.

As for the original post itself, it seemed to Me that it was a rather long winded tirade on what boils down to the chromosome debate.  In other words, the XX people are and always will be 'more' female than the XY people, no matter whether they have gone through transition or not.  Now, that is something that I think everyone is entitled to their personal opinion about.  Yet, while you are free to express such an opinion, you can not control whether it is shared by others or not.  This is especially true when it comes to their own lives, of which you are not a part.  That's as far as you get with that one.

When it comes to society, community, or any other thing, your opinion is only equal to that of any other individual.  It is common throughout the BDSM community at female only events that trans females are seen as females and have every right to attend.  I'll happily walk in the door with them to see that they are treated the same as any other female and have said so here on theads past.  They are female whether they are pre op or post op. 

It seems to Me that since the OP has been born with her particular birth defect (I hope that is the right term) that she has had issues with some that she doesn't see 'as female' as her.  The opinion that is coming across loud and clear is that she sees those born with the XY deal as less of a female than her.  My suggestion would be, don't get involved in a personal relationship with anyone who identifies as such.  Problem solved.

As for the silliness that TV/TS/CD folks are a danger to anyone on CM, I would honesly like to know how.  Can the OP bring even one instance of where a person was somehow sexually abused by someone else when they were sitting somewhere else on the other side of the screen?  Accusing a category of folks of criminal behavior to help substantiate your personal case of hatred for them is nothing more than rhetoric.  Unless you can come with reliable sources for facts, I would suggest that you don't throw around such statements.



Now that I've answered your question, perhaps you'll answer one of Mine.  Exactly how has anyone harmed you by misrepresenting their birth gender on the internet?  This seems to be a huge point that you would hope to convey, but unless it's been an experience in your personal life, meaning your real one and not just what you see on your screen, or something that happened to someone else (i.e., your family members) how is it doing you harm?


ETA.  In lieu of answering that question, I do have another for you.  Exactly why did you close down your profile just to start up another one?




purepleasure -> RE: Should Male Transvestites Be Allowed To Disguise Their Birth Sex? (9/28/2009 6:33:08 PM)

welcome to collarme, the home of the cliques




dcnovice -> RE: Should Male Transvestites Be Allowed To Disguise Their Birth Sex? (9/28/2009 6:34:34 PM)

quote:

Geez, so that is what it is like here all the time?


No, sometimes we get nasty.




stella41b -> RE: Should Male Transvestites Be Allowed To Disguise Their Birth Sex? (9/28/2009 6:36:36 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MsLeslieBabydoll

I really could care less about your history;  it is not valid in the discussion of My poll today.  Off topic alert!



That's what you would say on the boards, isn't it? Then you make your personal attacks by private message. My opinion of course, but when you put 'be allowed to disguise' in the title, one could infer that honesty and openness is part of the topic, right?

But then you're defining honesty and openness different from me, so okay. I don't need to go behind people's backs to say what I really think. It's said here, openly, for all to see.

quote:

ORIGINAL: MsLeslieBabydoll

Why don't you just stop now before you embarrass yourself further?  [:D]



I already posted that your opinion of me doesn't mean jack shit (to me). I mean it. That goes for the rest which isn't quoted.

And I'm quite happy for others to read what is posted and draw their own conclusions.




Wolf2Bear -> RE: Should Male Transvestites Be Allowed To Disguise Their Birth Sex? (9/28/2009 6:36:49 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MsLeslieBabydoll

It is AMAZING the lengths that people go to just to show that they can have a clique and have them write post after post giving atta boys and atta girls to the person that posts a rude or offensive remark!  Geez, so that is what it is like here all the time?  I NEVER KNEW!  [:D]


Ya amazing how a bunch of straight folks and a couple of fags managed to teach a dyke something new eh? I mean hey....you call us girl or boy without consent, I calls ya a dyke.




purepleasure -> RE: Should Male Transvestites Be Allowed To Disguise Their Birth Sex? (9/28/2009 6:37:02 PM)

so very true, dc. and then when the person realizes that they MIGHT just be wrong about something, we sometimes forgive, and go on with our cliqueish commeraderie.




WyldHrt -> RE: Should Male Transvestites Be Allowed To Disguise Their Birth Sex? (9/28/2009 7:13:17 PM)

quote:

Male transvestites are NOT genetic, birth sex females.  A female IS NOT a male transvestite.  Pre-operation, pro-operation, and non-operation transsexuals, whether they are Male to Female, or Female to Male, are NOT females, WHATSOEVER.

I just gotta ask.... so, if a Female to Male transsexual is NOT female WHATSOEVER, despite the existence of female DNA and reproductive organs.... what is xhe? Does this mean that M to F transsexuals are NOT males, WHATSOEVER? If so, by whose standards?




Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: Should Male Transvestites Be Allowed To Disguise Their Birth Sex? (9/28/2009 7:20:45 PM)

No you'd just get yourself and others who followed your lead banned permanently and the fakes will still continue to come in while you're now kicked out for good for trying to black list people you think are fake and should be blacklisted.


quote:

ORIGINAL: MsLeslieBabydoll


You know sissy, it is nice to see that you don't have a problem being honest with the type of person that you are, or signing up to this site with your actual sex listed as your sex on the profile.  Hopeless?  Well, not exactly.  If enough MEMBERS were to OUT THE PLAYERS on this site, then it is not hopeless at all; not even in the least.  O




MsLeslieBabydoll -> RE: Should Male Transvestites Be Allowed To Disguise Their Birth Sex? (9/28/2009 7:21:20 PM)

Three family members have been harmed by the types of behavior that I have described in today's poll.  The amount of money spent by those family members on mental health care has been truly extraordinary.

I had to build a new profile because I had too many threats issued through My email account that was originally tied to the other profile.  I take the safety of Myself and My family VERY SERIOUSLY.  It isn't the first time that someone threatened My life over My opinions.




MsLeslieBabydoll -> RE: Should Male Transvestites Be Allowed To Disguise Their Birth Sex? (9/28/2009 7:25:17 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: WyldHrt

quote:

Male transvestites are NOT genetic, birth sex females.  A female IS NOT a male transvestite.  Pre-operation, pro-operation, and non-operation transsexuals, whether they are Male to Female, or Female to Male, are NOT females, WHATSOEVER.

I just gotta ask.... so, if a Female to Male transsexual is NOT female WHATSOEVER, despite the existence of female DNA and reproductive organs.... what is xhe? Does this mean that M to F transsexuals are NOT males, WHATSOEVER? If so, by whose standards?



Whether you are male or female is dependent on the type of DNA that is present; NOT what kind of sex organs someone has, at the time of your birth.  Birth sex is still the determinate in all 50 states in determining your sex at birth, based on DNA results.  I don't make the standards, the medical community makes those standards.  If you want different standards, perhaps your complaint is with the American Medical Association, and not Me.




MsLeslieBabydoll -> RE: Should Male Transvestites Be Allowed To Disguise Their Birth Sex? (9/28/2009 7:27:08 PM)

and your point is?  [:D]




Lockit -> RE: Should Male Transvestites Be Allowed To Disguise Their Birth Sex? (9/28/2009 7:28:48 PM)

I didn't know they did dna test on newborns. They pull that lil titty sucker out and say... ahh... it's a boy or its a girl. And then you wrap them up in pink or blue. Unless someone could see a problem... I have never heard of babies being dna tested.




MsLeslieBabydoll -> RE: Should Male Transvestites Be Allowed To Disguise Their Birth Sex? (9/28/2009 7:31:50 PM)

quote:



one could infer that honesty and openness is part of the topic, right?



Yes, the honesty and openness of male transvestites is the subject of the opinion poll.  That is correct!  [;)]




MsLeslieBabydoll -> RE: Should Male Transvestites Be Allowed To Disguise Their Birth Sex? (9/28/2009 7:34:52 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lockit

I didn't know they did dna test on newborns. They pull that lil titty sucker out and say... ahh... it's a boy or its a girl. And then you wrap them up in pink or blue. Unless someone could see a problem... I have never heard of babies being dna tested.


Wow, you did not know that DNA testing was ongoing from conception to well after birth with most birth mothers in 2009?  You really need to spend more time researching a subject, like actually calling a maternity hospital, to confirm this, before you go and make statements that seem, well, just plain old uneducated!  However, that is not really related to the subject of the poll, which has to do with the honesty of male transvestites concerning the sex they say they are on their Collar Me profiles, now is it?  [:D]




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