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ORIGINAL: NihilusZero

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

Note: I see little evidence of anyone trying to demean her. Her guy, on the other hand, is another matter  .

You mean apart from what implications her staying with a "sickening" person make innuendos for?

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

I kindly ask that you don't misquote me.

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

What her guy does is sickening (if, indeed, her accounts are authentic - there is no evidence that we aren't discussing a whole bunch of extreme fantasies here): is he sickening? I have no idea.

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ORIGINAL: porcelaine

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ORIGINAL: angelikaJ

I admit reading what thornhappy wrote makes me wonder if you (daddysprop) have a complete understanding of the difference.

Clearly he is everything to you and it is my hope that you are safe and happy.
If things seem ambiguous, you are not being disloyal to him by seeking clarification.

what i wonder is why one persons allegations warrant comments at all. or are we staring at each other in some cyber cafe i know nothing about? because it is totally impossible that this person might have it wrong and may have misstated something that other people are jumping on right?

i can't believe the diatribe i'm reading. this isn't a clinic and no one knows what the heck is or isn't taking place. she's a slave. the definition and parameters of her enslavement are not mine or anyone else's to judge or validate. before we start pushing pamphlets and having a kumbaya moment, have a peek in your own backyard beforehand.

porcelaine

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ORIGINAL: NihilusZero

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

I kindly ask that you don't misquote me.

I didn't.

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NZ

You mean apart from what implications her staying with a "sickening" person make innuendos for?

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

There is a lot of documentation on this website alone that might enlighten you. Just use the search function, and you'll understand where thornhappy and angelika are coming from.

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

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ORIGINAL: NihilusZero

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

I kindly ask that you don't misquote me.

I didn't.

You did. You wrote:

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NZ

You mean apart from what implications her staying with a "sickening" person make innuendos for?

It's quite obvious that I never said such a thing, and therefore you did misquote me, and now you are being verbose. It's actually quite tedious. Obviously, there are people who think very differently from you and who believe a man has no business breaking the bones of his companion, whether she begs him to or not, and especially not when she is his ward!

If you don't understand this, the dichotomy between you and others is such that there is little point discussing anything any further.

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ORIGINAL: NihilusZero

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

Note: I see little evidence of anyone trying to demean her. Her guy, on the other hand, is another matter  .

You mean apart from what implications her staying with a "sickening" person make innuendos for?

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ORIGINAL: NihilusZero

Some people have a devout conviction of needing to save people, even from themselves. prop normally has two flavors of detractors: 1) the type that have read previous honest admissions of some extreme instances of her past and decided they know better than she what is best for her and deal with any similar topics in such an armchair psychology sort of way (to the plain disregard for that whole consent thing), and 2) people who get upset because they think she keeps describing herself a more of a slave than others (which is odd considering that she is at one of the farther extremes of surrender that I have encountered., so it's true in most cases. It's just that some people equate her more extreme degree of slavery to mean she's trying to say she's "better", which is usually just a reflection of their own coupling of the two, for personal reason).

She is the sort of person who can get the emotional projectory-empaths coming out of the woodwork.

This is all, though, just another area that merits heavy introspection and understanding of how malleable and fluid human psychology is (particularly with how "disorder" is defined) and what the base foundations for respect of choice and respect of life should be.

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ORIGINAL: porcelaine

it would be most helpful if you tried that before suggesting i did. it would seem that the archives only cover a certain duration of time. as such, the posts are no longer available for perusing. thank you.

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ORIGINAL: Amaros

Did I mention you're full of shit?

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ORIGINAL: Amaros

There is a clear legal standard here, namely, "danger to oneself or others" - it may mean little to you lying alone in your bed at night with a jar of Vaseline in your D&D fantasy world, but it means a great deal to people fighting in court at this moment because they sell floggers or to the women I've talked to who've been put in the hospital with broken bones, ruptured spleens, bruised livers, punctured lungs and broken jaws because some "dom" thinks BDSM is a license to take out all of his suppressed hatred of his mother on some woman looking for a little kinky release.

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ORIGINAL: Amaros

It sets a precedent - I doubt any of this will make one shit of difference to DP if she's intent on committing suicide by dom - it might make a difference to rest of the women in here that have not abrogated their right to make choices in their lives.

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ORIGINAL: Amaros

That's why the law is the way it is, because you take away the rights of one, and all rights are threatened. It isn't perfect, but that's how it works.

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ORIGINAL: Amaros

People like this are the reason those states define all kink as abusem, and that's another good reason to call bullshit in my book- if you don't know shere to draw the line, then the law will draw it for you - I prefer to draw my own.

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ORIGINAL: Amaros

You might think this is bullshit, but there it is - I know it's a shocker, but nobody is very likely to ask the opinion of the great Nihilus Zero.

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ORIGINAL: Amaros

You want another example of how the law applies in this instance?

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ORIGINAL: Amaros

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Subjects which are unacceptable regardless of circumstance include, but are not limited to - minors engaged in sexual activities, bestiality, incest, necrophilia, snuff and criminal activities. Any other questions of acceptability will be determined based on the content of the given essay.

Keep the discussions civil and mature, and do not insult the kinks, preferences, lifestyles, etc. of others.

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ORIGINAL: Amaros

I have a "preference" about not putting women in the hospital - which I happen to think is a little beyond a "kink".

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ORIGINAL: Amaros

You'll understand when you're older.

If the mods want to smite me for that then so be it.

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

http://www.collarchat.com/m_1060653/mpage_4/key_incompetent/tm.htm#1061204

http://www.collarchat.com/m_1279529/mpage_28/key_incompetent/tm.htm#1289364

http://www.collarchat.com/m_894401/mpage_2/key_incompetent/tm.htm#894681

http://www.collarchat.com/m_1279529/mpage_15/key_incompetent/tm.htm#1286530

http://www.collarchat.com/m_1350122/mpage_10/key_incompetent/tm.htm#1355347

And so on, and so on, and so on.

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ORIGINAL: thornhappy

I question his compassion, based on your past posts.  This is the man who's broken your bones, blackened both your eyes as a result of his discipline while you were at a hotel (and then advised you to pull down your baseball cap and wear sunglasses to mask them), and raped you immediately upon your return from a hospital.  Along with having you declared mentally incompetent, making you his ward, and not restored your legally independent status.

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ORIGINAL: NihilusZero

You can keep dressing up an appeal to emotion in prettier clothes and it won't change what it is. That you think your crusade to save the world's submissives from bad D-types and their own stupidity (or maybe just plain mistakes life comes with) somehow makes a real argument for deciding what people can or cannot do consensually with their own bodies is more the matter of fantasy books than any of the RPG literature on my coffee table.

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ORIGINAL: Amaros
I'm on a mission to save people I care about from violent psychopaths, I've already lost too many of them.

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ORIGINAL: NihilusZero
Yes, they're there. Go ahead, make another geek joke. It flatters your arguments so well.

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As do I. The difference is I don't think I have the magical power to tell that woman what she can and cannot do with her own body.

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ORIGINAL: Amaros
I'm on a mission to save people I care about from violent psychopaths, I've already lost too many of them.

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ORIGINAL: Ialdabaoth

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ORIGINAL: NihilusZero
Yes, they're there. Go ahead, make another geek joke. It flatters your arguments so well.

*mumbles something about THAC0 and Attacks of Opportunity*

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As do I. The difference is I don't think I have the magical power to tell that woman what she can and cannot do with her own body.

I do! It's called "persuasion".

... we now return you to your regularly scheduled program.

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ORIGINAL: NihilusZero

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ORIGINAL: Ialdabaoth

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ORIGINAL: NihilusZero
Yes, they're there. Go ahead, make another geek joke. It flatters your arguments so well.

*mumbles something about THAC0 and Attacks of Opportunity*

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As do I. The difference is I don't think I have the magical power to tell that woman what she can and cannot do with her own body.

I do! It's called "persuasion".

... we now return you to your regularly scheduled program.

50 points.

I would not have expected to get a hearty chuckle out of this thread at all tonight. Thank you.

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

*Shrug* I gave you the first stuff I found - I'm not the "libraire de service". There are dozens of posts out there about the physical abuse. It only takes a teeny bit of imagination to use the search function: it's all out there for those that want to find it.

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ORIGINAL: NihilusZero

50 points.