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Rule -> RE: God's Gays (10/5/2009 5:13:31 AM)
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ORIGINAL: Esinn
Those who believe in evolution/creation do so by necessity. This absolute BS is necessary because any person who does not wish to be marginalized by the majority has been slammed into the corner by the evidence(facts) of evolution.
God has not presented a shred of modern evidence to remotely suggest he is responsible for evolution. Although this science might have existed a little before Darwin it is less than 300 years old. Christians (mostly catholics I would venture) are forced to accept evolution if they wish to be taken seriously. The options is to admit their god is flawed or dig deep for BS. Modern day BS presented by a theist that proclaims to be savvy is their god(not yours) is responsible for both evolution and creation. This simple fact clearly violates an established and documented 2,000 year old view of judeao religions: Their god(not yours) created everything in it's present form using magic.
Theology evolves. The incarnate gods change their opinions when presented with new facts and experiences. Surely the Creator (and his predecessors) and his successors created everything by using magic - and the Divine complied, making it real. It would be like me saying to an engineer "I want light", knowing nothing about electricity nor physics, and him presenting me with a light bulb. Of course the Divine created the evolution algorithm - and Darwin was its prophet, yes: perhaps even its creator. If so, then factually it is correct that evolution has occurred during the past 3.8 billion years, whereas theologically it is correct that Darwin created it magically only 160 years ago.
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ORIGINAL: Esinn
Modern science has pushed ancient religion so far into the dark ages most people, even the most dedicated object to: Talking snakes/donkies, man eating fish, zombies, the right to own slaves, the right to kill someone for working on the sabath or the right to kill homosexuals. However, the theists wishes to hold onto their fairytale. This is a story, that is a mistranslation, that is not true, this is how it was or this is an interpretation and this(what I say) is what it means.
Well, obviously there are donkies that are animals and donkies that talk; everybody (ought to) know(s) that.
As for the snake, I presume that you are referring to that business with Eve? I assume that the snake speaking was allegorical or in any case not true.
Man eating fish? Sharks? Or are you referring to the few cases known from folklore in which a fish did swallow a human? (I know about one case in Japan; the monster washed up dead on the shore of the lake; presumably the snack was too big for its digestion. I also vaguely recall a second case.)
Zombies are Haïtian; they involved poisoning someone (often a criminal) by a witch doctor.
The right to own slaves: forced labor is still alive and well in USA prisons
The right to kill someone for working on the sabath: is what Jews do; I have never heard of a single case of Christians killing another person for doing so.
The right to kill homosexuals: again, this is what Jews do. (Though I do recall that there may have been persecutions of homosexuals in The Netherlands some centuries ago; I could not find a reference, though.)
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ORIGINAL: Esinn
Seriously what kind of a pathetic god uses evolution to create his masterpiece? When he pushed evolution into action what did he do for the next 15billion years? What the hell did he do for the 100trillion before that? But, this is the last shadow for the theist to hide in: Suggest his god is responsible.
A very smart Divine that created its masterpiece in such a way that it would improve on itself by the process of evolution through natural selection (and its various forms).
The Divine, being 'outside' our universe, is not limited by time as we know it.
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ORIGINAL: Esinn
Now you did say there is only one god.
How do you know this? Is this one god the one you believe in? It is not the one literally billions of others believe in. They will tell you only their god is real all others false, this "1" you speak of too. What information are you privy to 'they' are not?
There is the Divine and there are the incarnate gods, and there is the perception of the Divine and the perception of one or more of the incarnate gods. Fact and perception are two different things.
There is only one Divine and there have been (and perhaps still are) various incarnate gods. Theologically, we may or indeed must, extrapolate the words of the incarnate gods to the Divine. It is known from Egyptian mythology that the Creator created the other incarnate gods and man because he was lonely. Extrapolated to the Divine, this implies that there is only one Divine.
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