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Termyn8or -> RE: God's Gays (10/5/2009 11:59:56 AM)
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"What the hell makes you so damn special over all these other people who have had to fight to gain the respect from the "heterosexual white male"?"
I hope that was meant in unity with me rather than directed at me. If the latter is true, I did not mean it that way, it was directed at those who engage in judging others based on things which are none of their business. However if it was directed at me for whatever reason, the answer is absolutley nothing.
Don't mistake this for equality. I have never "believed in" equality, racial or otherwise. I am perfectly willing to admit that some races are better than mine in certain things. Shaping metal was my Father's life and clain to fame sort of, but the Germens and Swiss could run circles around him. Just the way it is. In the same way a crackhead welfare Mother is not equal to an engineer, or other professional. If they were equal there would be no reason for one to excel. None of this really has to do with race, everybody's blood is pretty much equally red. The measure of a person is not based on race, neither should it be based on their beliefs.
I didn't set out for a Judeo-Christian bashing thread, but some things are inevitable. Like regular people, we all hate people who are "always right". Their way is the only true way and only they see the one true light. I couldn't care less what race someone is, if they are limited like that, I say there is something wrong with that.
When anyone believes it is OK to kill or otherwise punish someone for their beliefs and ways despite the fact that they have hurt none, they are looking at those victims as sub human. I submit that these brainwashed hypcrites are the sub humans.
And don't get me wrong about this either, there have been responses from those of the Christian faith of course right here, and they have been non-condescending, well put together and readable. The people I mention are the ones who would come here and preach the old fire and damnation routine, with brimstone as well. But the way, just what the hell is brimstone ? Never mind, I'll just wiki it.
Anyway, to me equality is equal in opportunity and treatment in society. Not some magical thing which is bestowed at birth. We The People owe everyone what the Constitution says we owe. Not one iota more or less. To me the idea is more that everyone is on a level playing field. What they do with their opportunities is up to them.
Now to deem yourself qualified to judge others because of your faith (my God is better than your God) is the epitome of hubris. Throughout history there has been alot of that going on. However this is only in a certain context. You are not required to like everyone, nor to believe what they do. You make a judgement as to whether you want any given person as a friend, SO or whatever. These options do not include hanging, beheading or burning at the stake. (always remember to hang first, then behead and then burn, otherwise you make a big mess)
I've also found that many religious types externalize everything, from success to failure. Giving God the credit for one's successes apparently enables them to blame God for their failures. I've seen this in person. Not for me. I take credit for my accomplishments, but on the other hand of course I must take the blame for my failures. God or no God.
This whole sitation reminds me of the Salem witch trials. For one if you lived through the trial, you were guilty. The innocent are dead. And to see it my way, if there were indeed witches in Salem, is it not their right to be witches ? If they hurt none, it is none of our business that they sit in a five sided polygram and chant, or even burn goats or whatever. Please kill the goat first, to do otherwise is cruel. Other than that I don't have a damn thing to say about it. Neither do you. Of course what happened was a bit different, with people just being nuts or unbalanced in some way, or simply a criminal, they would try to use being 'bewitched' as a defense. Even if witches truly did exist, where was the evidence that this particular one bewitched this person to steal or do something else against the Law ? There is none, for if they even do exist, there would be no proof. Try the witch down the street in other words. They should've been able to look a constaple right in the eye and say "Sure I am a witch, but I didn't do it". That would be equal treatment under the Law, which I thought was the actual idea, or ideal whichever one prefers.
Of course like anything else that includes human nature or psychology, the subject is highly convoluted and almost impossible to figure out completely. Such is life. All I know, if not for that book, many things would be different. For better or worse ? I don't know.
And I still don't like baseball.
And popster, I am gaining weight so don't be too disappointed. I am not as cute as I once was.
T
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