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tazzygirl -> RE: The crazies are coming out of the and they have radio to support them (10/10/2009 6:56:11 PM)
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ORIGINAL: MstrssScarlet
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
Those who live in Canada and post here have already voiced their opinions on the efficiency of their health care.... point blank.. for them.. it works a hell of alot better than ours does here. And part of the problem with our health care isnt the care we receive.. its the denial of access! Or are you so caught up in the politics that you cant see that?
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He's put us into more debt in the short time he's been in office than Bush did in eight years. He did that bailing out companies that should have been left to sink or swim.
I have posted on this as well. In the 8 years of Bush, between stimulus and Tarp, he costs the country over 1 trillion. Bush started some of the "capitalism" you are complaining about. I dont blame him, its just what had to happen to prevent our contry from financially going under. But, if you are going to complain that Obama was the cause, the one who implemented alot of that, then i have to call you on your bs.
The Canadian Prime Minister himself was on national TV talking about how the Canadian healthcare system was imploding and they had to do something soon. They don't like our system, but they can't support their own anymore either. I guess you'll deny that because I don't have a link - I just pay attention to the news. Right now they send patients to the US on a regular basis that can't be handled there. Where are they going to send them when we're in the same boat? Sounds to me like THEY are the ones being denied access. Even when my daughter had no insurance at all, she was always able to receive healthcare at one of the local hospitals if she needed it. Access is not the problem in America, cost is. There are polls being taken all the time (watch the news once in a while!) where people say they are basically happy with what we have but just want help bringing the cost down.
And if what you say is true, im sure Arpig, Lucy or one of the others will step in and say so. LOL.. and compared to the alternative.. which is NO insurance, many are happy. How happy are you that you are helping to pay MY health care bills each and every year, not only through taxes, but also your policy rates, assuming you have insurance, as well as the increased cost for Dr visits, hospital stays, ect.
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In your rush to condemn me (no suprise there), you misunderstood what I said. What I actually said was that letting companies sink or swim was just capitalism. I then went on to say that was what scared people - that Obama would not allow this to happen. Poor wording on my part perhaps but correct in what I said.
If its poor wording on your part, its not my misunderstanding, now is it. As far as condemning you, i didnt. I condemned what you said. Huge difference.
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There ARE extensive waits in the UK and Canada for health care. I don't know who's been posting here, but perhaps they don't know any better because that's all they know. No, they don't wait 12 months for cancer surgery, but their waits most defenitely are far longer than ours.
I had to wait 6 weeks for my knee surgery. About the equivelent someone else had to wait in Canada from another poster. Depending on where we live in the US, our waits can be long or short. Emergent care is never made to wait, neither here nor there.
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A link to prove what they're doing with the healthcare plan now? You people LOVE your links. Kinda like Obama - keeps you from having to think on your own. Just pull up a few links, post them, and scream to all who will listen that it's true, it's true! I'm not going to post any personal figures out here, but we pay a hell of a lot less than 10% of our annual salary for our insurance. You people really believe you're going to get totally FREE healthcare? How old are you? Nothing is free, especially if the government is involved. Medicaid will be broke in approximately 8 years and we haven't even fixed THAT yet. The money for startup of this new healthcare plan alone will be one hell of a tax.
Again, you are already being taxed for those who have no insurance. And gouged. And, guess what? Here is a novel idea? People who have access have better health! ~gasps~ unbelievable huh?
As far as free... no one wants a free ride.. especially me. I do want insurance i can afford that will pay for preventative care. Something beyond the sick day care of starbridge that most employers of lower wage jobs offer.
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What's gone wrong with Obama's policies? Where do I start? The first thing he did when he got in office was spend a trillion dollars to bail out companies who should never have been helped, but were big supporters during his campaign. His foreign policies are a bad joke. He snubbed the Queen of England while giving her an embarrassingly inappropriate gift. Then off to the Middle East where he bowed to one of their leaders.(Again, watch your news. It was right there for all to see.) He is going around the world apologizing for things we've done. Well, I don't feel like we need to apologize for anything and I resent him acting like we do. Unemployment rates are hanging around 8-10% with no end in sight. The current administration has actually said that we need to spend our way out of this situation! When you're out of money, the last thing you do is go out and spend. It's just common sense. On the personal side, you may think it's sweet that he takes his family everywhere he goes, but I don't happen to enjoy spending my tax money for his family to tag along on Air Force One. There are extravagant parties held in the Whitehouse every week. I spoke personally to someone attending one of those parties. Her mother got a small business award, so her entire family was being flown to Washington for the party. She had been shopping all day for the evening gowns she needed for all the different parties. Wow. My tax dollars at work - again.
The underline is mine. Which companies? Second underline is also mine. You honestly think its costs more to squeeze 4 extra people onto Air Force One? your kidding, right?
As far as the mother... do you have any proof government tax dollars are being spent on her? Or could it be possibly that their own money is being spent? Often things the more conservatives complain about it things they know nothing about. Even guests on Air Force One get a bill for their meals.
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Obama put us a trillion dollars in debt just since he got into office. Yes, Bush spent approximately the same amount while he was in, but the economy was in far better shape and it took him EIGHT YEARS to do it. He also had a democratic congress at the time and they are the ones who hold the purse strings. They're still holding them and once we got a democratic president in office, the money just poured out like never before. Now we're printing it like monopoly money.
Again, if your not too afraid to break a nail typing... who did he spend a trillion dollars on?
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I don't care how Maher worded it, it boiled down to the same thing. While America was still grieving for all the innocent people killed in 9/11, he thought he could get away with a totally insensitive and inappropriate remark. If it had been Glenn Beck (since someone mentioned him) who had made the remark, the outcry would have been 3 times as loud. The media wouldn't have stopped until he was crying and begging for mercy.
And i agreed with Maher.... they were many things, those people who crashed their planes... but they were not cowards.
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Yes, Bush went into Iraq after the bombing, but he did it after he had time to cool down and look over the situation. If he had done nothing, what kind of message would that have sent? Obama is in charge now and we are still there. The difference is I doubt if he knows his enemy and he is taking so long to make decisions that he's putting our troops in far greater danger than Bush did.
It's obvious that you've already had a sip of the kool-aid, so I won't bother to pursue this any further. I'll leave you with one quote from Magaret Thatcher (Go ahead- look it up): The only bad thing about socialsim is sooner or later you run out of other people's money.
Happy Shredding,
Mistress Scarlet
Ah dear miss scarlet... i didnt expect you to stay around in the deep end of the pool. [:D]
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