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tazzygirl -> RE: Feminism (11/5/2009 5:38:47 PM)
quote: I especially like the one where you said I should be assaulted and essentially raped systematically for the rest of my life. Please, so show us all where i said that.

ShaktiSama -> RE: Feminism (11/5/2009 5:39:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Elisabella I also urge people to look at what I've written on this thread. Not what Shakti or Aidan have accused me of writing. What I have actually written. Anyone who would like to see what this woman ACTUALLY writes when she is not pretending to be sane, and wants the link to her blog? Feel free to PM me. I am done with coddling her disingenous bullshit. She wants to be judged on her own words? Fine. Limiting the context to a persona that she assumes on this thread so that she can manipulate people is NOT going to cut it.

ShaktiSama -> RE: Feminism (11/5/2009 5:44:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: I especially like the one where you said I should be assaulted and essentially raped systematically for the rest of my life. Please, so show us all where i said that. quote: sounds to me like she is aching to find a man strong enough to slam her to her knees and keep her there, Master Orion. despite her denials, i see a slave belly in there, waiting to burn for the right man. alas, silly Female that she is, she doesnt see the freedom in chains and spends so much time denying what she is instead of seeking out the truths within herself. This is the one. Too bad it's too late for you to edit it, isn't it? The fact that you would talk about a female dominant in the fucking Mistress forum like this is just beyond the veil of the disgusting and insane. I guarantee that if I went into the Gorean forum to troll about violating and abusing the male dominants there, and subjected them to fascist female supremacy rhetoric, I would be banned from this site in a heartbeat. Double standards indeed.

tazzygirl -> RE: Feminism (11/5/2009 5:45:46 PM)
I need no reason to edit it.. and stand by what i said. If you believe the only way a woman can be put to her knees is by force... meaning the physical kind... then you understand little about slavery and even less about gorean slavery. Nice try.

SimplyIsaac -> RE: Feminism (11/5/2009 5:50:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: ORIGINAL: SimplyIsaac Well, based on experience in these forums, the description does seem to fit with you on more than one occasion. Shakti's words in this forum have always been well articulated and food for thought. Yours, however, leave much to be desired here. Offering to kill someone is your example of articulation and food for thought? What food? How it can be done? What offers even more food for thought is why goreans (who aren't male supremacists, btw!) feel a need to hang out in "Ask A Mistress" and bitch about the evils of feminism. Could you please cite to me one example of how feminism has screwed up your life so much? I'm curious. ETA: Lest anyone be confused parenthetic comment spoken in all due sarcasm

tazzygirl -> RE: Feminism (11/5/2009 5:53:57 PM)
It hasnt screwed up my life. It actually liberated it. I am all for feminism... the ability and the right to choose my path. I have chosen it, i am happy with the results. The definition of feminism i use is as follows.... Belief in the social, political, and economic equality of the sexes. If we are all equal to choose our own path, then no path is better than the next. Feminism isnt evil. What is evil is the extremes some wish to take it.

SweetDommes -> RE: Feminism (11/5/2009 6:12:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl I need no reason to edit it.. and stand by what i said. If you believe the only way a woman can be put to her knees is by force... meaning the physical kind... then you understand little about slavery and even less about gorean slavery. Nice try. Ok, while I'm not a fan of where this thread has gone, you did say "slam her to her knees and keep her there" - which is stating blatently that it would be by force. Sorry, but you're wrong in this case.

tazzygirl -> RE: Feminism (11/5/2009 6:18:05 PM)
Actually, a woman can be slammed to her knees by something other than the brute force of a man. His love, her desire, fear, anger, betrayal... emotions can just as quickly slam a woman to her knees. Maybe i was wrong in assuming other women could feel that deeply.... i know some can, obviously some never have.

SweetDommes -> RE: Feminism (11/5/2009 6:20:52 PM)
Given the tone of this thread at this point, I would never even consider that you didn't mean by brute force, and I have a strong suspicion that, based on the language, no one else would either. When someone "slams" another, it's negative - it's either a verbal "slam" or it's physical force. Personally, I'd much rather our boys get on their knees willingly rather than being "slammed" by anything.

tazzygirl -> RE: Feminism (11/5/2009 6:25:54 PM)
~grins which is why.. ahem... never mind. Lets just say some of us females are a different breed. That doesnt mean our decisions or choices are any better or worse than the ones you have made yourself. But, frankly, on this thread, we are tired of being told how we are inferior to the supremacy of the Female Dommes who have posted such.

SweetDommes -> RE: Feminism (11/5/2009 6:31:55 PM)
Never said anyone was inferior - however, it's fairly universal that being "slammed" is negative. Being brought to one's knees doesn't have the same connotations as being "slammed" - perhaps that would have been a better way to phrase it? I'm disgusted by the entire mess that has occurred on this thread, and don't particularly want to be associated with any of it - but what you said offended me greatly, directed towards me or not.

tazzygirl -> RE: Feminism (11/5/2009 6:43:05 PM)
As i later pointed out, there was a reason for me saying what i did. Im sorry if you were offended, but im not sorry for what i said. After all, i am just a gorean whore who gives it away for free to any man who casts a look my way, right? Or could it possibly be that so many do not understand the differences.

LadyPact -> RE: Feminism (11/5/2009 6:56:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl ~grins which is why.. ahem... never mind. Lets just say some of us females are a different breed. That doesnt mean our decisions or choices are any better or worse than the ones you have made yourself. But, frankly, on this thread, we are tired of being told how we are inferior to the supremacy of the Female Dommes who have posted such. A few disclaimers first..... I have not read this thread. I have no intention of doing so. I have been on it once for a completely outside reference. Unless some unforeseen circumstance happens, I am probably not going to read this thread. What I've skimmed in the scrolls has been more than enough for the majority of the posts. It has always been My position that neither gender is superior. The fact that a person is either Dominant or submissive doesn't have anything to do with whether a person a person was born with inner bits or outer bits. With that said, no one of us, if they are following their beliefs for themselves, would be a fool not to understand, that other people feel differently. Some people are called to lead and some people are called to follow. Sure, it can be hard for someone to understand the inner workings of someone who is the opposite of their own inclinations. When you can't see yourself thinking or believing as the other person does. A person might understand it intellectually, but they feel a completely different thing inside. There are people of a different breed. Isn't that kind of a good thing? The fact that I am most likely (I'm very tempted here to say never) not ever going to submit, isn't that a positive in someone else's world? Doesn't that make Me a fit for someone who only ever wants submission and has no craving to be the authority figure? Wouldn't that supposed 'burning in My belly' kind of screw that up? No matter which side of the kneel you're on, isn't the fact that you feel like it's where you belong what's most important?

tazzygirl -> RE: Feminism (11/5/2009 7:01:36 PM)
Very true, LP. I could not argue with a single thing you have stated. We make our decisions based upon what is best for ourselves. No one has the right to say what is best for me without me giving up that right. Only one person has that right, and i sleep beside him every night.

Elisabella -> RE: Feminism (11/5/2009 7:17:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ShaktiSama I've never said any such thing, and in fact have affirmed the choices of submissive women in their personal lives MANY MANY TIMES in this thread. Bullshit. You've affirmed the choices of submissive women in their SEX lives many times. You've offered no respect for women who choose to be cheerleaders, which you consider a submissive role, and have in fact gone so far as to say that choosing to be a cheerleader is not a real choice at all. You have no respect for women who choose to be submissive in their personal lives unless they do it while getting fucked or using kink accoutrements.

Lucienne -> RE: Feminism (11/5/2009 7:20:33 PM)
I guess I'd like to state at this point that I think Elisabella's position is based on false premises. And while I disagree with Shakti's rhetoric, I understand how she got there. So, um... can we take it down on a notch on all sides?

Elisabella -> RE: Feminism (11/5/2009 7:20:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ShaktiSama quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: I especially like the one where you said I should be assaulted and essentially raped systematically for the rest of my life. Please, so show us all where i said that. quote: sounds to me like she is aching to find a man strong enough to slam her to her knees and keep her there, Master Orion. despite her denials, i see a slave belly in there, waiting to burn for the right man. alas, silly Female that she is, she doesnt see the freedom in chains and spends so much time denying what she is instead of seeking out the truths within herself. This is the one. Too bad it's too late for you to edit it, isn't it? The fact that you would talk about a female dominant in the fucking Mistress forum like this is just beyond the veil of the disgusting and insane. I guarantee that if I went into the Gorean forum to troll about violating and abusing the male dominants there, and subjected them to fascist female supremacy rhetoric, I would be banned from this site in a heartbeat. Double standards indeed. I've told you to quote me a couple times on this thread. Why do you go back and quote Tazzy but not me? Oh right because the things you said about me are complete lies you just randomly made up in order to try to bolster your argument. It must suck to have such a weak position that the only way you can defend it is to make stuff up and threaten to kill anyone who disagrees with you.

SomethingCatchy -> RE: Feminism (11/5/2009 7:20:42 PM)
quote: How do you view feminism? How does feminism affect your D/s and 'vanilla' relationships? What do you think about the above woman's conflicted love affair with her favorite game? No one ever bothered answering my questions. I thank you all for that. Instead, this has turned into one of the biggest, most embarrassing bitchfests I've ever seen on an ADULT forum. Quoting and then systematically breaking down every little word someone said just so you can whine and argue, accusing people of ridiculous things, and now accusing someone of saying a woman should be raped. Put down the keyboard and get some fresh air. Go walk your dog, or diddle yourself silly, but for crying out loud, stop beating that dead horse. It's an open forum, but this has gotten so far off topic it's pathetic. I can't believe the mods haven't at least moved this to another section.

Elisabella -> RE: Feminism (11/5/2009 7:25:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucienne I guess I'd like to state at this point that I think Elisabella's position is based on false premises. And while I disagree with Shakti's rhetoric, I understand how she got there. So, um... can we take it down on a notch on all sides? Shakti calls me a nazi, says I'm the type of person who runs death camps, then says she would have no problem systematically killing everyone who disagrees with her political views, including me, and you "understand how she got there"? Not to mention everything she's accused me of is a complete lie and misinterpretation. Sorry. No. Shakti owes me an apology and since she's too much of a self righteous lying hypocrite to give one, she's going to have to deal with me pointing out how every single one of her posts is based on lies and/or threat of violence.

Lucienne -> RE: Feminism (11/5/2009 7:29:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SomethingCatchy quote: How do you view feminism? How does feminism affect your D/s and 'vanilla' relationships? What do you think about the above woman's conflicted love affair with her favorite game? No one ever bothered answering my questions. I thank you all for that. Instead, this has turned into one of the biggest, most embarrassing bitchfests I've ever seen on an ADULT forum. Quoting and then systematically breaking down every little word someone said just so you can whine and argue, accusing people of ridiculous things, and now accusing someone of saying a woman should be raped. Put down the keyboard and get some fresh air. Go walk your dog, or diddle yourself silly, but for crying out loud, stop beating that dead horse. It's an open forum, but this has gotten so far off topic it's pathetic. I can't believe the mods haven't at least moved this to another section. Oh, for fucks sake. It's ok for women to enjoy the NFL. Several women, myself included, have expressed an appreciation for the NFL in this thread. Women can safely enjoy football. Happy now?

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