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RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! - 3/6/2006 8:21:22 AM   
MrDiscipline44


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Status: offline 		Well this is a first for us true. I accept your apology and will have you know that I don't take it lightly. I also want to thank you for being adult enough to offer it publicly something else I don't take lightly. As we say back where I come from, You get mad props for that, girl.

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RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! - 3/6/2006 10:25:38 AM   
BeeQueen


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Status: offline 		reminds me what i been thinking about a cpl of those profils

abuse under cover of bdsm
non of his ideas is made for a real life
noone..slave or sub ..can bee foreced to give away human rights
no one should confuse a fantasie of beeing treaten as an animal with really impersonating an animal
no one should bee aloud to deprive u from contact with others-social contacts r vital
no one should give a shit about so called slave contracts - they r not worth the paper they r written on (of couse if u like it as a roleplay pls go ahead if it helps u to get into the mindset but its NOT REAL)
no one should abuse another beeing as *workslave* only
BDSM is sexual fantasies - might involve fucking doesnt have too but is based on trust and responsibility - therefor if the *owner* doesnt take the responsibility of making ur life good in exchange for ur submission than its not bdsm

i hope male and female submissives do know that some things r just good in the fantasie but never will work in a real life
i hope male and female dominants do know that some things r good in fantasie but should never bee forced on someone in reallife

it might not bee abuse, but seriously i d not cut someone a finger off just couse he/she thinks that will thrill him/her. and i still hope that dominants use common sense when taking responsibility for another life. not all a sub may ask for is good for him/her. and not all a dominant orders is good for the submissive (no, ur not a bad sub if u say no to certain orders that might damage u physically or emotionally)
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< Message edited by BeeQueen -- 3/6/2006 10:30:54 AM >

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RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! - 3/6/2006 10:38:00 AM   
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what kind of baggage does a person that WANTS what the PROFILER wants carry? These are things i think about... what has a person gone through that brings them to that point in their life where they say 'ok, isolate me' because i am not worthy to be treated better?


Now, see that is just not my business.

i have been reading this thread since yesterday and felt compelled to throw in my two bits. angelic, i personally think that your own personal issues may be clouding your reluctance to be open minded about some practices of WIITWD. One of the things that i love about this lifestyle is that there is room in it for everyone's type of kink.
I have read previous post and threads that you were on, so i can see where Mr. Discipline would get that opinion that you had some issues because i got that same opinion as well but i also recognize that i do not know you either. i just know what i read. However, if there are some unresolved issues, please deal with them before finding your ONE just speaking from someone who has been there. i did not want to leave the lifestyle alone either but in order to be able to fully embrace it with fresh eyes and mind, i had to step away from it to heal. i am not judging you just trying to give you some food for thought.

peace and respect,
ns

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RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! - 3/6/2006 10:41:58 AM   
angelic


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Status: offline 		ok this is the weirdest thing... this thread was GONE... now POOF it's back...

lol and i see once again opinions about me personally are being created...

which is OK...

*lumbers along dragging her baggage with her*

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RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! - 3/6/2006 10:49:29 AM   
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ORIGINAL: angelic



*lumbers along dragging her baggage with her*


Puts rollers on angelic's baggage... to help ease the dragging


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RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! - 3/6/2006 10:50:25 AM   
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ORIGINAL: nslut4whtmaster

WIITWD.


Excuse me, but what exactly is "WIITWD"?

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RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! - 3/6/2006 10:51:58 AM   
angelic


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ORIGINAL: nslut4whtmaster

quote:

what kind of baggage does a person that WANTS what the PROFILER wants carry? These are things i think about... what has a person gone through that brings them to that point in their life where they say 'ok, isolate me' because i am not worthy to be treated better?


Now, see that is just not my business.

i have been reading this thread since yesterday and felt compelled to throw in my two bits. angelic, i personally think that your own personal issues may be clouding your reluctance to be open minded about some practices of WIITWD. One of the things that i love about this lifestyle is that there is room in it for everyone's type of kink.
I have read previous post and threads that you were on, so i can see where Mr. Discipline would get that opinion that you had some issues because i got that same opinion as well but i also recognize that i do not know you either. i just know what i read. However, if there are some unresolved issues, please deal with them before finding your ONE just speaking from someone who has been there. i did not want to leave the lifestyle alone either but in order to be able to fully embrace it with fresh eyes and mind, i had to step away from it to heal. i am not judging you just trying to give you some food for thought.

peace and respect,
ns


even if i was absolutely PERFECT in every way (which btw and thank Kharma, i am not)... my opinion would still be as it is.


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RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! - 3/6/2006 10:52:10 AM   
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RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! - 3/6/2006 10:53:06 AM   
angelic


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ORIGINAL: truesub4u

quote:

ORIGINAL: angelic



*lumbers along dragging her baggage with her*


Puts rollers on angelic's baggage... to help ease the dragging



spewed my coffee damnit, true... but thank you for the rollers... now i can run rather than lumber!


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RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! - 3/6/2006 11:05:09 AM   
caitlyn


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Status: offline 		It's par for the course angelic. About half of these posts that contain the word "abuse" turn into various sorts of quazi-flames, aimed at anyone voicing an opinion that is outside the lifestyle norm.

I'm going to agree with you in part, in that while I don't think persay that the very words spoken are abusive, I do think this is an abusive relationship waiting to happen.

I completely differ with the notion expressed by some, that someone responding to this ad, and entering into this sort of relationship, knows exactly what they are getting into. To me (and this is only my opinion) that is good old SSC speak. People might want to remember that just because you are sane (generic "you" not representing anyone in particular), that doesn't mean others are ... and if you are a sane consentual person, you just can't see the point of view of those with a little more clouded thought process. In effect, you (again, a generic you) are judging from a point of view that probably doesn't exist in some minds.

Simply put ... it may seem SSC to them, but really isn't, because the voice of reason, for them, really doesn't exist. Rational people can't see this for what it is, which is why we have the really off-point attempt to relate/rationalize this to spanking, and healthy name calling, and what the vanilla world thinks. These examples are not applicable, and the very fact that only non-applicable examples are used, shows the lack of understanding for the whole issue.

Since angelic has probably been flamed enough in this post, maybe some can be drawn away. Any hint of abuse, of any kind, needs to be exposed and that person ostracised. To say that "the person knows what they are getting into" is just a morally bankrupt position.

This moves error on the side of caution, nothing more, and nothing less. I know that isn't a popular position, but sometimes doing what is right, is just not popular.

There needs to be a clear understanding that the satanically evil fucks that do the most dreadful of things, are usually the same evil fucks that are best at playing it off as discipline, training and a lifestyle.

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RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! - 3/6/2006 11:22:46 AM   
angelic


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ORIGINAL: caitlyn

It's par for the course angelic. About half of these posts that contain the word "abuse" turn into various sorts of quazi-flames, aimed at anyone voicing an opinion that is outside the lifestyle norm.

I'm going to agree with you in part, in that while I don't think persay that the very words spoken are abusive, I do think this is an abusive relationship waiting to happen.

I completely differ with the notion expressed by some, that someone responding to this ad, and entering into this sort of relationship, knows exactly what they are getting into. To me (and this is only my opinion) that is good old SSC speak. People might want to remember that just because you are sane (generic "you" not representing anyone in particular), that doesn't mean others are ... and if you are a sane consentual person, you just can't see the point of view of those with a little more clouded thought process. In effect, you (again, a generic you) are judging from a point of view that probably doesn't exist in some minds.

Simply put ... it may seem SSC to them, but really isn't, because the voice of reason, for them, really doesn't exist. Rational people can't see this for what it is, which is why we have the really off-point attempt to relate/rationalize this to spanking, and healthy name calling, and what the vanilla world thinks. These examples are not applicable, and the very fact that only non-applicable examples are used, shows the lack of understanding for the whole issue.

Since angelic has probably been flamed enough in this post, maybe some can be drawn away. Any hint of abuse, of any kind, needs to be exposed and that person ostracised. To say that "the person knows what they are getting into" is just a morally bankrupt position.

This moves error on the side of caution, nothing more, and nothing less. I know that isn't a popular position, but sometimes doing what is right, is just not popular.

There needs to be a clear understanding that the satanically evil fucks that do the most dreadful of things, are usually the same evil fucks that are best at playing it off as discipline, training and a lifestyle.


thank you caitlyn... you said it 150% better than i. i would like to state tho i have not taken offense to anything said to me, here. i kneejerked at the get go which, i in hindsight should not have done.

i haven't gotten angry, belligerent or any assortment of things that i could have done.

Those that do not know me...well.... do not know me and i can find no fault with that.

i stand fast in my opinion on that profile though... i have yet to be convinced i should do otherwise.

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RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! - 3/6/2006 11:28:45 AM   
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ahhhhhhh, thank you!

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RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! - 3/6/2006 11:31:01 AM   
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ORIGINAL: angelic


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ORIGINAL: truesub4u

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ORIGINAL: angelic



*lumbers along dragging her baggage with her*


Puts rollers on angelic's baggage... to help ease the dragging



spewed my coffee damnit, true... but thank you for the rollers... now i can run rather than lumber!





hehehehe........... my pleasure...

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RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! - 3/6/2006 11:41:47 AM   
ExistentialSteel


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Status: offline 		This is not in response to any post other than Caitlyn’s. To see those messed up enough to ask why others care if someone is abused is in itself a wonder. The thing about D/s is that there is nothing more likely to cause a style of behavior to catch on with newcomers than a flamboyant bad example of a Dom who thinks his brain works in synapses that others can't appreciate. Yeah, right. 99% of subs cross the threshold the wrong way and most will tell you their first experiences were nothing more than abuse when they look back. D/s is no exception to the rules of life.

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RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! - 3/6/2006 11:45:33 AM   
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the one that the OP refers to specifically STATES NO OUTSIDE CONTACT... that means a person is isolated... completely... no family... no job... no friends... no one to turn to... ABUSE in the 1st degree imho.


If someone responds to this ad, they WANT this type of living arrangement. It is agreeable to all concerned. How can that be abuse? It is consentual.



IF the well-being of a person (Emotional, Intellectual, Physically and/or Spiritually) suffer and is harmed for being in the relationship... It doesn't matter that the person consented to it! Harm is harm regardless of consent.


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RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! - 3/6/2006 11:46:22 AM   
Lordandmaster


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Status: offline 		Who decides what's "abuse" (not to mention "any hint of abuse")? You're free to stop communicating with anyone you'd like, but it's not really ostracism unless the whole world shuts the person out, and I don't think you're going to find enough of a consensus about what constitutes "abuse" for that ever to happen.

"Abuse" is quickly turning into one of those words (like "Hitler") that immediately prevents a thread from moving forward. Abuse is bad. What more is there to be said about it? Let's move on.

(My own view--in case people aren't sure--is that it's the purest form of bullshit to label someone else's relationship as "abusive" just because it's not something you'd like to be involved in. But I also believe that adults are adults, which means that they're responsible for their own actions.)

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ORIGINAL: caitlyn

Any hint of abuse, of any kind, needs to be exposed and that person ostracised.


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RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! - 3/6/2006 11:52:10 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster
"Abuse" is quickly turning into one of those words (like "Hitler") that immediately prevents a thread from moving forward.


Brother, believe me I can relate to that one....if anyone remembers that thread.


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RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! - 3/6/2006 11:57:39 AM   
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Who decides what's "abuse" (not to mention "any hint of abuse")? You're free to stop communicating with anyone you'd like, but it's not really ostracism unless the whole world shuts the person out, and I don't think you're going to find enough of a consensus about what constitutes "abuse" for that ever to happen.

"Abuse" is quickly turning into one of those words (like "Hitler") that immediately prevents a thread from moving forward. Abuse is bad. What more is there to be said about it? Let's move on.

(My own view--in case people aren't sure--is that it's the purest form of bullshit to label someone else's relationship as "abusive" just because it's not something you'd like to be involved in. But I also believe that adults are adults, which means that they're responsible for their own actions.)

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ORIGINAL: caitlyn

Any hint of abuse, of any kind, needs to be exposed and that person ostracised.




Sir, You have Your opinion and i have mine (obviously)... but let's just say that someone was TRULY abused from childhood... that's all they know... it's 'normal' (lol after what has happened in this thread i HAVE to put a disclaimer here, i WAS NOT).... just because it is 'their normal' makes it no less abusive... it simply means they are succeptible to continue the bad crap.... and there are those that will be a predator to those. That doesn't make it right.

MY OPINION ONLY!!! lol


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RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! - 3/6/2006 11:59:27 AM   
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ORIGINAL: caitlyn
I'm going to agree with you in part, in that while I don't think persay that the very words spoken are abusive, I do think this is an abusive relationship waiting to happen.


I do not think it is an abusive relationship waiting to happen... but it clearly has a red flag for me! My question would be... ok find that's what you want... but how is the submissive growing for being in the relationship! I think it is rather premature to label a person from the narrow perspective of a profile as abusive or even that they will be abusive in a relationship. A Maybe YES... but a Will Be NO!





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RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! - 3/6/2006 12:01:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		I see the same alarm that you was showing every one knee2you and what sound like this guy is looking for a girl to abuse. Isolation is the tools abuser use to keep those under their control so others will not recognize the abuse the person will be going through. Also those being abuse will not talk with others in the lifestyle so they will learn what the so called dominate is doing to them is not the lifestyle. Sadly so many beginners will not recognize this for they do not have any thing else to compare it too. That is why attending the munches and getting out in the community is a good way give yourself knowledge you need to protect yourself from these kind of guys to pass themselves off as a Dominate. I know some enjoy this kind of humiliation but this is done to build some one up not to tear themselves down.

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