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RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! - 3/6/2006 12:04:01 PM

angelic

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and i am not talking about the bs in the courts nowadays... i have tried at great lengths btw to speak only to the profile that the OP posted... i am not speaking about anything other than that.

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RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! - 3/6/2006 12:12:29 PM

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ORIGINAL: HoosierScorpio

I see the same alarm that you was showing every one knee2you and what sound like this guy is looking for a girl to abuse. Isolation is the tools abuser use to keep those under their control so others will not recognize the abuse the person will be going through. Also those being abuse will not talk with others in the lifestyle so they will learn what the so called dominate is doing to them is not the lifestyle. Sadly so many beginners will not recognize this for they do not have any thing else to compare it too. That is why attending the munches and getting out in the community is a good way give yourself knowledge you need to protect yourself from these kind of guys to pass themselves off as a Dominate. I know some enjoy this kind of humiliation but this is done to build some one up not to tear themselves down.

is that Dominate? OR is it DOMINANT!!!!!

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RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! - 3/6/2006 12:13:37 PM

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(My own view--in case people aren't sure--is that it's the purest form of bullshit to label someone else's relationship as "abusive" just because it's not something you'd like to be involved in. But I also believe that adults are adults, which means that they're responsible for their own actions.)

I agree. I have stated my opinion, if there are some who do not agree, so be it.

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IF the well-being of a person (Emotional, Intellectual, Physically and/or Spiritually) suffer and is harmed for being in the relationship... It doesn't matter that the person consented to it! Harm is harm regardless of consent.

Now you are talking about a person who may not be capable of deciding what is best for themselves. When I wrote that, I wrote it with the assumption that if someone responded to that profile, they know what they are doing and are quite capable of making decisions regarding their life. If they are not able to make life altering decisions, then hopefully they have a family member or someone who can step in and help them before they do something foolish like enter into ANY relationship that has the aspects of bdsm. Would it be abuse if the person who consented to this kind of life, didnt have the capabilities of making that decision? IMO Yes. Just as it would be abuse if it were a c***d. ANYONE who does not have the mental capabilites of making an informed decision to consent, could potentially end up in an abusive relationship. But as I said, I wrote my original opinion based on the assumption that the person responding to the ad, would be a someone who is quite capable of entering into a consentual relationship.

Editted to ad: For the record I have not at any time during my comments flamed angelic. I have said that I thought her views were a little judgemental, but I would hardly call that flaming her. I am glad she will continue to post, I would hate to think that one thread would make her not want to post again.

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RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! - 3/6/2006 12:16:50 PM

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Hello.
First I will touch on what I consider to be the main difference between a sub and a slave - level of surrender. One's sub - regardless of other relationship status (lover, spouse, friend, playmate) - is not one's property. A slave is.
*We can waste time arguing whther or not this type of relationship is realistic or legal, but that is not the point of this thread AND personally I do believe in consensual slavery.*

Now, the concept of slaves not having rights is riduculous.
What many fail to comprehend is that in a proper M/s relationship there are a myriad of rights and responsibilities on both sides.
A dog is considered property, yet this dog has the right to life and the right to not be abused.
So I have found in history of cultures that had slavery these rules also applied.

Works of fiction - particularly made for TV movies - have an insidious way of filtering into our minds and therefore knowledge-base. Most of us have been exposed to works of historical fiction depicting the "slave-master" treating his slave horribly - often beating him to death. Understand that people of this calibre were considered monsters in slavery-friendly societies and when caught they were punished by their judicial systems.

I have read of cases where the slave owner was ordered to pay fines - both to the state and to the slave -and/or cover the costs of medical attention required to nurse an abused slave back to health.
Needless to say, there were also social penalties to pay once an abusive slave-owner had been exposed. These people would often find themselves ostracised by their community - which REALLY hurts if you're a business person as no one will do business with you. Think about that!

The flip side of that coin...
In ancient Greek society, for instance, slaves were property, but were also members of the family. They were often given "credits" for their work and could buy themselves back once they had been in service for some time. Many would chose to remain with their families after they had obtained their freedom.
It was the owner's responsibility to provide a slave with apprpriate shelter, food and medical care.

So...
Of course a slave has rights. At the very least the right to life and the right to health (which negates abuse!). The rest is negotiated between the hopeful slaves and owners in question.

Oh, a "slave contract" is not legally binding in any modern society I am aware of. Power of Attorney is, however.:)

Hope this helped.

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RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! - 3/6/2006 12:20:43 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: angelic

quote:

ORIGINAL: caitlyn

People might want to remember that just because you are sane (generic "you" not representing anyone in particular), that doesn't mean others are ...

And it does not mean that the others are NOT sane .....that's my point......I...do not know.....and neither do ya'll

Simply put ... it may seem SSC to them, but really isn't, because the voice of reason, for them, really doesn't exist. Rational people can't see this for what it is, which is why we have the really off-point attempt to relate/rationalize this to spanking, and healthy name calling, and what the vanilla world thinks. These examples are not applicable, and the very fact that only non-applicable examples are used, shows the lack of understanding for the whole issue.

If these "examples are not applicable" then neither is guesswork. If the person in question found someone to accept his offer, then chopped their head off, you'd say "I told you so", but if they lived happily ever after (like the person some others named earlier), I have a feeling you still wouldn't be satisfied. Reminds me of the uber-feminists that think all men are rapists, either by proof or well, they just never got caught or got around to it.

Since angelic has probably been flamed enough in this post, maybe some can be drawn away. Any hint of abuse, of any kind, needs to be exposed and that person ostracised. To say that "the person knows what they are getting into" is just a morally bankrupt position.

Allowing people with whom you differ to live their lives does not make one morally bankrupt, any more than leading a lynch mob to rescue someone who may not want nor need rescuing makes one morally fit. Give me proof that one is being abused, and I'll grab my torch and do what needs to be done.

Those that do not know me...well.... do not know me and i can find no fault with that.

i stand fast in my opinion on that profile though... i have yet to be convinced i should do otherwise.

That kind of boils it down to what I was saying. We don't know you, you don't know us, and none of us knows the one in question. And you have every right to think what you wish, and post the same. You seem like a bright and caring woman, and I do hope you don't feel attacked by this. *picks up her baggage and puts it on a moped for her.......sorry, can't afford a limo for it, grins*

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RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! - 3/6/2006 12:21:32 PM

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I find this thread incredibly interesting and informative. Why you ask? Because I find hypocrisy to be hilarious. And I really like it when people tell on themselves. Most of the time they don't even know they are doing it.

What I hear and read without fail from every person I've talked to in the lifestyle is "I don't care if they accept what I do, as long as they don't judge me". I would hazard a guess that that statement is true for the large majority of us. And I've read posts from most people that have posted in this thread to the same effect.

And here we are...look, judgement. Judgment of someone else's kink, judgement of someone else's feelings, judgement of someone's mental state who may or may not exist. Where will we find tolerance outside of our community if we don't have it within?

For the OP, some people do exactly what you read in that profile. If the participants are mutually consenting adults, it's none of your business and no one cares what you think it amounts to. And some people put things in their profile for shock effect or to help build or create a fantasy, again none of your business. If you don't like it, it's not your brand of kink, or it makes the hair on your neck jump out and bite your own ass...move on.

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RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! - 3/6/2006 12:26:08 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: yourMissTress

I find this thread incredibly interesting and informative. Why you ask? Because I find hypocrisy to be hilarious. And I really like it when people tell on themselves. Most of the time they don't even know they are doing it.

What I hear and read without fail from every person I've talked to in the lifestyle is "I don't care if they accept what I do, as long as they don't judge me". I would hazard a guess that that statement is true for the large majority of us. And I've read posts from most people that have posted in this thread to the same effect.

And here we are...look, judgement. Judgment of someone else's kink, judgement of someone else's feelings, judgement of someone's mental state who may or may not exist. Where will we find tolerance outside of our community if we don't have it within?

For the OP, some people do exactly what you read in that profile. If the participants are mutually consenting adults, it's none of your business and no one cares what you think it amounts to. And some people put things in their profile for shock effect or to help build or create a fantasy, again none of your business. If you don't like it, it's not your brand of kink, or it makes the hair on your neck jump out and bite your own ass...move on.

Makes a fresh pot of coffee.... i think it's going to be needed here... <smiles>

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RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! - 3/6/2006 12:27:52 PM

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I could've sworn this thread got pulled? Oh, well.

quote:

ORIGINAL: caitlyn

It's par for the course angelic. About half of these posts that contain the word "abuse" turn into various sorts of quazi-flames, aimed at anyone voicing an opinion that is outside the lifestyle norm.

Funny, I haven't seen anybody flame anyone. Flaming is posting derrogator remarks directly at someone. I just haven't seen it.

quote:

I'm going to agree with you in part, in that while I don't think persay that the very words spoken are abusive, I do think this is an abusive relationship waiting to happen.

As stated before by others, if it's consentual, how is it abusive? Abuse is non-consentual.

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I completely differ with the notion expressed by some, that someone responding to this ad, and entering into this sort of relationship, knows exactly what they are getting into. To me (and this is only my opinion) that is good old SSC speak. People might want to remember that just because you are sane (generic "you" not representing anyone in particular), that doesn't mean others are ... and if you are a sane consentual person, you just can't see the point of view of those with a little more clouded thought process. In effect, you (again, a generic you) are judging from a point of view that probably doesn't exist in some minds.

Simply put ... it may seem SSC to them, but really isn't, because the voice of reason, for them, really doesn't exist. Rational people can't see this for what it is, which is why we have the really off-point attempt to relate/rationalize this to spanking, and healthy name calling, and what the vanilla world thinks. These examples are not applicable, and the very fact that only non-applicable examples are used, shows the lack of understanding for the whole issue.

In order to say that the person responding to this ad does not know what they are getting themselves into, you must first know the person that is responding to the ad. In order to say they don't know what they are getting into, you must show that they are not of a sound mind. Then, to say they are not of sound mind to want this relationship, you must have a masters in psych, your own practice and run them through a list of test to detimine this. Do you have a Masters in psych? Do you have the battery of test to prove someone is of a sound mind? Since you most likely do not (and yes, I maybe wrong) then you must remember that we can not go around holding peoples hands telling them what best for them and whats not. We also can only say whats sane to us personally, as an individual.

quote:

Since angelic has probably been flamed enough in this post, maybe some can be drawn away. Any hint of abuse, of any kind, needs to be exposed and that person ostracised. To say that "the person knows what they are getting into" is just a morally bankrupt position.

"Let the who has no sin, cast the first stone" Let's take this out of the Biblical context that it was first said in and apply it to the situation we have here. What this statement means is that you have no right to judge another because you, yourself, are not perfect. To the vanillia world, we are all veiwed as being insane or abusive for what we like to do, reguardless of how small. Shall you be the first one ostracised, caitlyn? You have no right to call any relationship abusive unless your apart of it.

quote:

This moves error on the side of caution, nothing more, and nothing less. I know that isn't a popular position, but sometimes doing what is right, is just not popular.

There needs to be a clear understanding that the satanically evil fucks that do the most dreadful of things, are usually the same evil fucks that are best at playing it off as discipline, training and a lifestyle.

And you must also understand, caitlyn, that humans are adaptive. If they find that one source is shut off, they find another. If they can't get what they want overtly, they'll find it covertly. "Evil fucks" (as you say) have been part of our societies since the dawn of man and will most likely be apart of mankind til it's extinction. Unfortunately, there will never be a utopia because of them. There will never be a perfect world. They are apart of human nature. An undeniable part, because if we don't have one(the evil fucks) we won't have the other (the opposite of the evil fucks). Hell, we even look for the evil fucks in places they're not in.

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RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! - 3/6/2006 12:35:17 PM

angelic

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quote:

ORIGINAL: truesub4u

quote:

ORIGINAL: yourMissTress

I find this thread incredibly interesting and informative. Why you ask? Because I find hypocrisy to be hilarious. And I really like it when people tell on themselves. Most of the time they don't even know they are doing it.

What I hear and read without fail from every person I've talked to in the lifestyle is "I don't care if they accept what I do, as long as they don't judge me". I would hazard a guess that that statement is true for the large majority of us. And I've read posts from most people that have posted in this thread to the same effect.

And here we are...look, judgement. Judgment of someone else's kink, judgement of someone else's feelings, judgement of someone's mental state who may or may not exist. Where will we find tolerance outside of our community if we don't have it within?

For the OP, some people do exactly what you read in that profile. If the participants are mutually consenting adults, it's none of your business and no one cares what you think it amounts to. And some people put things in their profile for shock effect or to help build or create a fantasy, again none of your business. If you don't like it, it's not your brand of kink, or it makes the hair on your neck jump out and bite your own ass...move on.

Makes a fresh pot of coffee.... i think it's going to be needed here... <smiles>

me too!!!

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RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! - 3/6/2006 12:36:40 PM

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Gah.

Some people here seem very upset about the word "pig".

Something to consider...
Pigs are cute AND they're smarter than dogs. Pigs don't shit where they eat - which is more than what I can say for many humans.
Pork was the first meat I gave up because I feel pigs are just too close to us.

Also, consider that many people who identify as "subs" or "slaves" will include the name "pig" or "piggie" in their letters of introduction to Dom/mes.
It is often the bottom's idea.

There are certainly more than enough people in this scene who will use the role of top as an excuse to abuse AND plenty of mentally imbalanced bottoms who will deliberately seek out such relationships instead of seeking a good therapist. I have encountered plenty of both.

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RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! - 3/6/2006 12:37:39 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Level

quote:

ORIGINAL: angelic

quote:

ORIGINAL: caitlyn

People might want to remember that just because you are sane (generic "you" not representing anyone in particular), that doesn't mean others are ...

And it does not mean that the others are NOT sane .....that's my point......I...do not know.....and neither do ya'll

Simply put ... it may seem SSC to them, but really isn't, because the voice of reason, for them, really doesn't exist. Rational people can't see this for what it is, which is why we have the really off-point attempt to relate/rationalize this to spanking, and healthy name calling, and what the vanilla world thinks. These examples are not applicable, and the very fact that only non-applicable examples are used, shows the lack of understanding for the whole issue.

If these "examples are not applicable" then neither is guesswork. If the person in question found someone to accept his offer, then chopped their head off, you'd say "I told you so", but if they lived happily ever after (like the person some others named earlier), I have a feeling you still wouldn't be satisfied. Reminds me of the uber-feminists that think all men are rapists, either by proof or well, they just never got caught or got around to it.

Since angelic has probably been flamed enough in this post, maybe some can be drawn away. Any hint of abuse, of any kind, needs to be exposed and that person ostracised. To say that "the person knows what they are getting into" is just a morally bankrupt position.

Allowing people with whom you differ to live their lives does not make one morally bankrupt, any more than leading a lynch mob to rescue someone who may not want nor need rescuing makes one morally fit. Give me proof that one is being abused, and I'll grab my torch and do what needs to be done.

Those that do not know me...well.... do not know me and i can find no fault with that.

i stand fast in my opinion on that profile though... i have yet to be convinced i should do otherwise.

That kind of boils it down to what I was saying. We don't know you, you don't know us, and none of us knows the one in question. And you have every right to think what you wish, and post the same. You seem like a bright and caring woman, and I do hope you don't feel attacked by this. *picks up her baggage and puts it on a moped for her.......sorry, can't afford a limo for it, grins*

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i do not feel attacked at all... no question in my mind about that. lol thanks for the moped btw...

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RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! - 3/6/2006 12:40:55 PM

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deleted due to double posting for some screwup reason

< Message edited by KnightofMists -- 3/6/2006 12:43:33 PM >

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RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! - 3/6/2006 12:42:13 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: MrDiscipline44

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I'm going to agree with you in part, in that while I don't think persay that the very words spoken are abusive, I do think this is an abusive relationship waiting to happen.

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As stated before by others, if it's consentual, how is it abusive? Abuse is non-consentual.

yes... a Dominant's escape clause.... "It was Consensual! So it couldn't be Abuse!"

Well some people don't have the capacities required to make consent. some don't have the experience or knowledge to make informed consent. Some will just make reckless choices of consent and find themselves in a heap of trouble.

Now if a Dominant is going to accept consent from a submissive they have responsiblity to ensure the consent is Informed and responsible and will positively contribute to the submissives well-being. A dominant that doesn't do as such may only be contributing to a submissive's self-abuse! A dominant that is aware that the relationship is destructive to a submissive's well being or that a submissive is engaged in self-abuse... is enabling the abuse and is an abuser. REGARDLESS of consent.

Of course you can just Assume! that they can make a responsible and informed consent! There are more than a few that do that... and then when it goes bad... "WELL the submissive Consented!" got to like the Dominant's Escape Clause!

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RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! - 3/6/2006 12:42:18 PM

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ORIGINAL: MistressOfGa

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(My own view--in case people aren't sure--is that it's the purest form of bullshit to label someone else's relationship as "abusive" just because it's not something you'd like to be involved in. But I also believe that adults are adults, which means that they're responsible for their own actions.)

I agree. I have stated my opinion, if there are some who do not agree, so be it.
quote:

IF the well-being of a person (Emotional, Intellectual, Physically and/or Spiritually) suffer and is harmed for being in the relationship... It doesn't matter that the person consented to it! Harm is harm regardless of consent.

Now you are talking about a person who may not be capable of deciding what is best for themselves. When I wrote that, I wrote it with the assumption that if someone responded to that profile, they know what they are doing and are quite capable of making decisions regarding their life. If they are not able to make life altering decisions, then hopefully they have a family member or someone who can step in and help them before they do something foolish like enter into ANY relationship that has the aspects of bdsm. Would it be abuse if the person who consented to this kind of life, didnt have the capabilities of making that decision? IMO Yes. Just as it would be abuse if it were a c***d. ANYONE who does not have the mental capabilites of making an informed decision to consent, could potentially end up in an abusive relationship. But as I said, I wrote my original opinion based on the assumption that the person responding to the ad, would be a someone who is quite capable of entering into a consentual relationship.

Understood Ma'am.. and i have written my opinons based on one who may not have that capability... it obviously, threw up many red flags for me... just because one consents, doesn't mean they have the ability to decipher completely what they were getting into. i completely saw this profile as a predator... i may very well have been mistaken. although i cannot bring myself at this moment to budge one single iota from my opinon... i have had ZERO facts to disclaim it other than '2 consenting adults'... my opinion only

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RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! - 3/6/2006 12:50:15 PM

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quite frankly what i did get was that i had emotional baggage because i read, saw and deciphered what was in the profile... the profile was pretty upfront... he/she is looking for one to abuse... AGAIN MY OPINION... and until i am convinced otherwise it WILL remain my opinion...

damnit i am stubborn when i see things that can potentially hurt another... whether i know them or not.

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RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! - 3/6/2006 1:17:18 PM

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damnit i am stubborn when i see things that can potentially hurt another... whether i know them or not.

angelic, please stay away from my toybag. Everything in there can and does hurt someone. In fact, steer clear of any Dominant at all. Most dominants whether sadistic or not inflict some kind of pain on their sub. Without becoming a complete sarcastic bitch here, I'm going to just say that in your world no one should ever leave their homes...oops wait lots of injuries and accidents occur in or near the home.

Being cautious is fine and good, but crying abuse around every corner is ridiculous.

Does that mean that when I am whipping, paddling, flogging, or even punching a sub with a closed fist that I am abusing them?

NO, NO NO NO NO it doesn't.

What two consenting adults do is not for you to judge. REGARDLESS of your past experience. You have stated many times in these forums that you don't want to be judged for your wants and desires. What gives you the right to label someone else's kink? Who made you the safety guard over what might potentially hurt someone else?

If you don't like it, don't sign up for it. It's not your brand of kink? Fine. Find your own.

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RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! - 3/6/2006 1:21:31 PM

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chuckles,

ditto

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RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! - 3/6/2006 1:25:30 PM

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damnit i am stubborn when i see things that can potentially hurt another... whether i know them or not.

Oh boy, I have no idea what to say here except that if you are concerned about someone potentially being hurt, what are you going to do when you get hurt by your Dom? Call abuse? I hurt my submissive every time we play! But dont call me an abuser for it, I have his rational, with sound mind and body consent to do this. I wouldnt have it any other way.

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RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! - 3/6/2006 1:27:56 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: yourMissTress

quote:

damnit i am stubborn when i see things that can potentially hurt another... whether i know them or not.

angelic, please stay away from my toybag. Everything in there can and does hurt someone. In fact, steer clear of any Dominant at all. Most dominants whether sadistic or not inflict some kind of pain on their sub. Without becoming a complete sarcastic bitch here, I'm going to just say that in your world no one should ever leave their homes...oops wait lots of injuries and accidents occur in or near the home.

Being cautious is fine and good, but crying abuse around every corner is ridiculous.

Does that mean that when I am whipping, paddling, flogging, or even punching a sub with a closed fist that I am abusing them?

NO, NO NO NO NO it doesn't.

What two consenting adults do is not for you to judge. REGARDLESS of your past experience. You have stated many times in these forums that you don't want to be judged for your wants and desires. What gives you the right to label someone else's kink? Who made you the safety guard over what might potentially hurt someone else?

If you don't like it, don't sign up for it. It's not your brand of kink? Fine. Find your own.

nice that You took that tiny little piece Ma'am... i appreciate Your opinion.

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(in reply to yourMissTress)

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RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! - 3/6/2006 1:28:09 PM

sophia37

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How bout this from one poster who said, "Maybe one of the hardest things to do is to NOT judge another...". Personally I make value judgements all the time. I believe it's essential in order to survive this world.

I think what we should be trying to do is attempt to come to an Understanding. Thats certainly why I have come to this site and stuck around. I want to understand both the world AND myself.

I think this thread has really been a great thread, since it's making us all think, then moving us to put our two cents in. Congratualations to angelica. A heated debate means you've touched us in a productive way within ourselves if we open ourselves to it.

(in reply to shiava)

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