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Sanity -> RE: White House advisers say Fox News is not news (10/19/2009 2:58:15 PM)
The White House can easily "manage" their pets who reside in most of the media but they can't "manage" Fox news, and thats what's driving the Ministry of Truth absolutely insane. They're getting hard, tough questions asked of them, they're being put under the microscope and they're being poked and prodded by the guys at Fox, and to make things even worse Fox News has by far the largest audience of all the cable news providers. So of course the White House would like to see Fox News marginalized. They would also like to shut up Rush Limbaugh, along with anyone else who dares to criticize them - or who dares to actually tell us any of the ugly facts about this extremely secretive administration. I sincerely hope you've been forwarding all those fishy emails you've been getting, as the Ministry of Truth has advised...

mnottertail -> RE: White House advisers say Fox News is not news (10/19/2009 3:00:04 PM)
you took these notes from the meeting? when were you there? You act like you are speaking for the administration, not about it.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: White House advisers say Fox News is not news (10/19/2009 3:09:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ialdabaoth . Fox is at least 90% bullshit. Funny that no one can provide instances where their news stories have been incorrect. You would think with 90% bs there would be plenty of them.

Sanity -> RE: White House advisers say Fox News is not news (10/19/2009 3:14:36 PM)
I cheated - I peeked at Merc's notes. [:)] quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail you took these notes from the meeting? when were you there? You act like you are speaking for the administration, not about it.

mnottertail -> RE: White House advisers say Fox News is not news (10/19/2009 3:16:46 PM)
LOL, let's go smoke a joint communique, to our health. 420 friendly

GoddessImaginos -> RE: White House advisers say Fox News is not news (10/19/2009 3:17:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail LOL, let's go smoke a joint communique, to our health. 420 friendly I am SO There..

Sanity -> RE: White House advisers say Fox News is not news (10/19/2009 4:14:29 PM)
A CBS veteran, Mika Brzezinski, gives her assessment of the situation on the "Morning Joe" show on MSNBC - with one exception, every CBS reporter, director, anchor is a Liberal: quote: JOE SCARBOROUGH: You know, if you want to talk about bias, shall we look at bias at every other network? MIKA BRZEZINSKI: Oh no, that's the fascinating conversation. I totally agree. SCARBOROUGH: The bias at every other network in America except it's a different type of bias, it's a left-wing bias. You and I both know -- BRZEZINSKI: I totally agree with you. SCARBOROUGH: -- as being in these organizations, Fox News is no more biased in its own way than the rest of the networks are in their own way. If you just look at the make-up of the people who work for every television network. How many Republicans do you see running around ABC? You worked at CBS. How many around CBS? How many around NBC? They aren't here. BRZEZINSKI: Yes, although I don't think that CBS and NBC are actively pushing a perspective. SCARBOROUGH: No, no they're not. BRZEZINSKI: I think they try their best to be objective. And I think the issue there is the make-up of the population within those networks, perhaps may be predominantly one world view, which is an issue, but it's not an intent. SCARBOROUGH: But Mika, based on what you've argued through the years, Fox is more intellectually honest than every other network, because you say we all have biases, we should put it out on the table. What is more dangerous, a network that says yes, we're center-right, or a news organization, let's just take one, CBS, that says we're objective, we're down the middle -- BRZEZINSKI: -- but we're all liberals and Democrats. SCARBOROUGH: You know that everyone you worked for, they were all liberals, they were all pro-choice, they were all pro-gun control, they were all, I mean, let me ask you this question: when did you work at CBS? BRZEZINSKI: Collectively, over a course of 10 years. SCARBOROUGH: Give me years. BRZEZINSKI: '90, 2001 to 2007. SCARBOROUGH: OK, how many people that you worked for at CBS do you think voted for George W. Bush? Of all the thousands you worked for, how many people at CBS do you think voted for George W. Bush? BRZEZINSKI: A very small percentage. SCARBOROUGH: Maybe 1%? BRZEZINSKI: I don't know. SCARBOROUGH: Can you think--seriously--you don't have, just use your insight, your inside head voice here, can you think seriously of one correspondent, of one producer, of one anchor, that was a George W. Bush fan? BRZEZINSKI: I can. I can think of one, yes. (With video). http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-finkelstein/2009/10/19/mika-one-exception-every-cbs-reporter-director-anchor-liberal

SpinnerofTales -> RE: White House advisers say Fox News is not news (10/19/2009 4:20:21 PM)
quote: So of course the White House would like to see Fox News marginalized. They would also like to shut up Rush Limbaugh, along with anyone else who dares to criticize them - or who dares to actually tell us any of the ugly facts about this extremely secretive administration. I sincerely hope you've been forwarding all those fishy emails you've been getting, as the Ministry of Truth has advised...ORIGINAL: Sanity When you're right, you're right. Of course that hasn't happened yet, but when it does, you'll be right. The reason that Fox is being marginalized is that they happen to be about as reliable with a right wing slant as msnbc is in a left wing slant. There is a whole lot of difference between spreading the truth and preaching to the choir. As for this tremendous feeling of persecution you evidence in every posting you place, I ask you straight out: What has been done to keep you or any conservative, no matter how loony from having their say? What steps have been taken to silence you or anyone else? What government oppression has been laid upon anyone that causes you to feel so oppressively silenced that you feel the need to infer that our very first amendment rights have been abrogated? And will you ever accept that freedom of speech applies as much to those who tell a speaker to shut up as it does to the speaker's right to shout nonsense at the top of their lungs? This isn't 1984. This isn't a dictatorship. You and yours still have all the rights of freedom of speech you ever had. What seems to make you furious to the point of frothing is that no one is listening.

GraciousLady -> RE: White House advisers say Fox News is not news (10/19/2009 8:30:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy quote: ORIGINAL: Ialdabaoth . Fox is at least 90% bullshit. Funny that no one can provide instances where their news stories have been incorrect. You would think with 90% bs there would be plenty of them. If Fox was 90% wrong the other cable news stations would have a 3 hour special of point by point proof Fox was wrong. But, if you actually look at Fox you will see they do go point by point and prove what they are saying. The thing that makes me say Fox is right is because I never see that kind of point by point thing on MSNBC or CNN. All I see them doing is saying things like the crazy right wing people or angry mobs at tea parties. They report things based on nothing. Lets be honest. If anyone was 90% wrong no one would watch it and Fox has the largest audience on cable. To me that means the American public has chosen which side of the fence they wish to stand on. I just wish all of the news stations would report more responsiably. They all seem more like a reality show to me that news.

Moloch -> RE: White House advisers say Fox News is not news (10/19/2009 9:00:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales quote: So of course the White House would like to see Fox News marginalized. They would also like to shut up Rush Limbaugh, along with anyone else who dares to criticize them - or who dares to actually tell us any of the ugly facts about this extremely secretive administration. I sincerely hope you've been forwarding all those fishy emails you've been getting, as the Ministry of Truth has advised...ORIGINAL: Sanity When you're right, you're right. Of course that hasn't happened yet, but when it does, you'll be right. The reason that Fox is being marginalized is that they happen to be about as reliable with a right wing slant as msnbc is in a left wing slant. There is a whole lot of difference between spreading the truth and preaching to the choir. As for this tremendous feeling of persecution you evidence in every posting you place, I ask you straight out: What has been done to keep you or any conservative, no matter how loony from having their say? What steps have been taken to silence you or anyone else? What government oppression has been laid upon anyone that causes you to feel so oppressively silenced that you feel the need to infer that our very first amendment rights have been abrogated? And will you ever accept that freedom of speech applies as much to those who tell a speaker to shut up as it does to the speaker's right to shout nonsense at the top of their lungs? This isn't 1984. This isn't a dictatorship. You and yours still have all the rights of freedom of speech you ever had. What seems to make you furious to the point of frothing is that no one is listening. Is that why DHS labeled Liberitarians and Ron Paul supporters as right wing terrorists? Is that why people getting pulled over for having a Gadsden Flag sticker on their car.

Sanity -> RE: White House advisers say Fox News is not news (10/19/2009 9:07:31 PM)
Good point Moloch. They're also paranoid of Veterans, and gun rights advocates, and, and, and... quote: ORIGINAL: Moloch Is that why DHS labeled Liberitarians and Ron Paul supporters as right wing terrorists? Is that why people getting pulled over for having a Gadsden Flag sticker on their car.

TheHeretic -> RE: White House advisers say Fox News is not news (10/19/2009 9:28:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail White House advisers say Fox News is not news .............. Uh, the whale is undoubtably one of the largest mammals alive today. What's to argue with either of these statements? Ron How about the part where a high ranking advisor to the President of the United States tells media organizations how the White House is going to treat a competing organization, and that the rest of the US media should follow that lead? I see a lot to argue with there, Ron, starting with it being an incredibly stupid way to move the fight forward.

tazzygirl -> RE: White House advisers say Fox News is not news (10/19/2009 9:36:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy quote: ORIGINAL: Ialdabaoth . Fox is at least 90% bullshit. Funny that no one can provide instances where their news stories have been incorrect. You would think with 90% bs there would be plenty of them. I posted a link... and they never denied they asked the reporters to lie.

TheHeretic -> RE: White House advisers say Fox News is not news (10/19/2009 10:38:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl I posted a link... And persist in ignoring that these rules apply to all media. How about those Dan Rather documents, Tazzy? Are you as offended that CBS is free to take their chances in the market after airing blatant forgeries? Christ! At least Fox is a cable channel, not an inhabitant of the public airwaves!

SpinnerofTales -> RE: White House advisers say Fox News is not news (10/20/2009 5:43:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moloch Is that why DHS labeled Liberitarians and Ron Paul supporters as right wing terrorists? Is that why people getting pulled over for having a Gadsden Flag sticker on their car. Once again half truths and hysteria replace reason and accuracy. The DHS did not lable libertarians nor Ron Paul supporters as right wing terrorists. They did say that there was a fringe group that tended to identify with those principals who might be sources of possible violence. Of course, people who carry loaded firearms to political demonstrations or speak of how we need a violent revolution to "take the country back" are certainly worth the attention of a department who's job is discovering terrorists threats before another Timothy McVey decides to exercise his free speech rights by blowing up a skyscraper. It is convenient for those on the right who wish to portray themselves as victims, however, to shout "They're calling us all terrorists! They're coming to get us!" That they are allowed to do so mererly reinforces my point that their first amendment rights are being taken away. They have the freedom to tell lies and are using it at every turn. As for the pulling over of people for nothing more than having a Gadsen flag sticker on their car, I have heard nothing about this and would invite some citation from any reasonably reputable news source. In this case, I would even accept Fox News in that category. Once again, there is nothing being done to silence conservative speech or thought. The constant plaint that there is is either a political tactic, a case of extreme paranoia or an out and out lie.

Sanity -> RE: White House advisers say Fox News is not news (10/20/2009 6:10:32 AM)
And then there's the little matter that the claim was 90% which hasn't been any where near established, or even hinted at. And tazzy, I pointed out to you in another thread that your link merely shows that Fox won the right to exist. It means they can't be sued if someone on-air makes a simple misstatement or lies, something they can't necessarily control. Fox transmits live around the clock day in and day out - and you know the old saying, "shit happens". If the type of lawsuit you are championing were upheld their enemies could sue them for any typo, miscue, misstatement or cleared throat, and they would be out of business. That's craziness, and its a good thing that Fox won that. Why should lawsuit happy lawyers be allowed to ruin every business in America over trivial bullshit? Why should lawyers be allowed to put an end to the freedom of speech just because its inconvenient for the new Washington elite. quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl I posted a link... And persist in ignoring that these rules apply to all media. How about those Dan Rather documents, Tazzy? Are you as offended that CBS is free to take their chances in the market after airing blatant forgeries? Christ! At least Fox is a cable channel, not an inhabitant of the public airwaves!

rulemylife -> RE: White House advisers say Fox News is not news (10/20/2009 6:12:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy quote: ORIGINAL: Ialdabaoth . Fox is at least 90% bullshit. Funny that no one can provide instances where their news stories have been incorrect. You would think with 90% bs there would be plenty of them. Fox's news programs echo its "opinion" shows America's Newsroom falsely claimed Obama budget "4x bigger than Bush's costliest plan." On the April 3 edition of America's Newsroom, on-screen text falsely claimed that Obama's $3.6 trillion FY 2010 budget is "4x bigger than Bush's costliest plan." In fact, President Bush submitted a $3.1 trillion budget for FY 2009 and a $2.9 trillion budget for FY 2008. America's Newsroom (9-11 a.m. ET): Obama official never reported "statutory rape"; Dems "protect pedophiles"; tea parties recruitment Hemmer advances smear that Jennings knew of "statutory rape" and "never reported it." During the October 1 edition of America's Newsroom, co-host Bill Hemmer joined his network's smears against Department of Education official Kevin Jennings by claiming that Jennings knew of a "statutory rape" case involving a student but "never reported it." In fact, as Media Matters has confirmed, the student in question was of legal age of consent at the time he was counseled by Jennings. America's Newsroom falsehood: "House Dems vote to protect pedophiles, but not veterans." On May 6, America's Newsroom pushed the falsehood that Democrats attempted to "protect" pedophiles in voting in favor of the Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act. Hemmer teased a segment by stating that Democrats had reportedly "voted to give special protection to pedophiles." During the segment, America's Newsroom ran on-screen text that read, "House Dems vote to protect pedophiles, but not veterans": Live Desk (1-3 p.m. ET): Falsehoods, deceptive editing Fox News presents deceptively cropped six-month-old Biden clip as new. On March 16, Live Desk co-host Martha MacCallum claimed that "after weeks of economic doom and gloom, the Obama administration is now singing a slightly different tune. Take a look at what was said in recent interviews this weekend." Live Desk then aired clips of administration officials purportedly giving an optimistic view of the economy, which included video of Vice President Joe Biden stating, "The fundamentals of the economy are strong." However, Biden did not make those remarks during an "interview" that weekend; he made them at a September 2008 campaign event in which he criticized statements by Sen. John McCain. MacCallum apologized the next day. Fox's Garrett deceptively cropped Obama remark on judicial role. On May 1, saying it was a "description of how the president hopes his nominee will interpret the law," congressional correspondent Major Garrett aired a clip in which Obama stated: "I view that quality of empathy, of understanding and identifying with people's hopes and struggles, as an essential ingredient for arriving at just decisions and outcomes." Garrett then said: "That aggravates those who believe justices should follow the Constitution and legislative intent." But Garrett omitted Obama's very next sentence, in which he stated: "I will seek somebody who is dedicated to the rule of law, who honors our constitutional traditions, who respects the integrity of the judicial process and the appropriate limits of the judicial role."

Lucylastic -> RE: White House advisers say Fox News is not news (10/20/2009 6:26:15 AM)
After the laughable labeling of disgraced South Carolina Governor Mark Sanford as a Democrat, Intershame thought we'd look back at the other times Fox News has mistakenly mislabeled Republicans. Note what each mislabeled politician was going through when Fox News wrongly identified them as Democrats. It's these details that make it hard to believe this is coincidence. http://intershame.com/on/Fox_News/ Got tons more but they will have to wait...oh and there are back up claims to those as a more reliable sources, but I havent got the inclination to add them right now.

HatesParisHilton -> RE: White House advisers say Fox News is not news (10/20/2009 6:47:53 AM)
"Right. Except that apparently, it's not okay to point out the (very blatant, totally shameless, absolutely whoreish) bias at Fox. It's fine to demolish the entire media, and to whine and fret over its supposed 'libewal bias', but it's not fine to say anyfink against Fox. Fox is sacrosanct, and you'd be a fool and a communist to say anything against it [8D] . " no, LOL< I wasn't making a point or being rhetorical. I was really wondering, sincerely, ingenuously, if anyone new of ANY news service that they felt was at least 90% unbiased? because I don't recall one back in the USA, there aren't really any here in Oz, and friends in the UK seem to have similar complaints. Do I need to learn Inuit and listen to Icelandic news or something?

SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: White House advisers say Fox News is not news (10/20/2009 7:11:32 AM)
The problem isn't exactly the news organisation it is the style of news coverage i.e. it has a lot of opinions programmes because they have this 24 hour news service but in the average 24 hours no new events occur so they fill their time with pundits giving opinions as to what someone meant when they said this or what this new piece of legislation means. If Fox just reported the news instead or analysing events with biased pundits then it could call itself a news organisation. Fox isn't alone in this there are many modern so called news organisations both left and right commenting on the whispers of government and perpetuating a bunch of non stories. It's like a game of Chinese whispers in that it becomes more to do with what the pundits interpret something to mean rather than what the political representative actually means.

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