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Coining new phrase about what I want - 10/19/2009 7:04:36 AM   
cillydom


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RE: Coining new phrase about what I want - 10/19/2009 8:08:01 AM   
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RE: Coining new phrase about what I want - 10/19/2009 8:36:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: cillydom

I’m not seeking a submissive and I’m not seeking a slave, I am seeking an obedient.


situations such as this is why things have become woefully diluted and incite confusion for those entering the lifestyle. both acquiesce. the differences rest on one persons ability to negotiate and the level of control ceded to the dominant.

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RE: Coining new phrase about what I want - 10/19/2009 8:39:48 AM   
cillydom


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Status: offline 		it's that the terms submissive and slave have become so meaningless.

i think we can all agree what obedience is. you either are obedient or your not.

i'll let others debate the finer differences between sub/slave

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RE: Coining new phrase about what I want - 10/19/2009 9:05:59 AM   
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ORIGINAL: cillydom

it's that the terms submissive and slave have become so meaningless.

i think we can all agree what obedience is. you either are obedient or your not.

i'll let others debate the finer differences between sub/slave


is that so? perhaps all the customization efforts of persons like yourself have caused some to attribute inappropriate associations to each.

how do you plan to market this concept? and what happens if you receive interest from someone who defines herself differently? is she permitted to negotiate or is total servitude expected instead? i'm attempting to wrap my mind around this. please assist.

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RE: Coining new phrase about what I want - 10/19/2009 9:24:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		Gee, I dont' know procelaine. This all makes total sense to me. It'll never happen of course, but it makes sense. The only rub for me is that obedience isn't what I'm looking for anymore.

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RE: Coining new phrase about what I want - 10/19/2009 9:30:33 AM   
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Gee, I dont' know procelaine. This all makes total sense to me. It'll never happen of course, but it makes sense. The only rub for me is that obedience isn't what I'm looking for anymore.


then perhaps you can explain it. i have no difficulty articulating the differences between the two. it really isn't that hard in all honesty.

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RE: Coining new phrase about what I want - 10/19/2009 9:52:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: porcelaine
then perhaps you can explain it. i have no difficulty articulating the differences between the two. it really isn't that hard in all honesty.
*blinks* It's not that hard? If that's true, then you are WAY WAY smarter than I am as well as a lot more savvy about humans in general.

The last time I wrote about what I thought in this space, the pitchforks and torches came out. I'm not really up for inciting a riot again. It serves no useful purpose.

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RE: Coining new phrase about what I want - 10/19/2009 9:54:21 AM   
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ORIGINAL: cillydom

I’m not seeking a submissive and I’m not seeking a slave, I am seeking an obedient.


How can you use a comparative adjective to define someone?
Thats like saying 'would you like a naughty or an obedient?'
My answer would be 'A naughty or obedient what?'



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RE: Coining new phrase about what I want - 10/19/2009 10:54:55 AM   
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ORIGINAL: leadership527

The last time I wrote about what I thought in this space, the pitchforks and torches came out. I'm not really up for inciting a riot again. It serves no useful purpose.


the premise of what he's proposing has a definite problem. someone seeking the level of surrender as a slave is going to want something vastly different than the girl who prefers handing over less control. how does he market this with a blanket term that fails to take into account that obedience is one portion of the dynamic, not all of it. if the obedient submissive has no desire to yield as a slave, does that imply she's not obedient?

what about the reverse. if he picks up the slave but has no desire to own, then what? she's obedient, but slavery has its own tenets. is he willing to go between either extreme based on who he meets? and is this going to be articulated as well? or is the girl expected to conform to a way of being that bears its own definition instead?

if she self identifies as either. would it suggest that she must be willing to embrace living in another way. the sub who becomes a slave or the slave who becomes a sub?

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RE: Coining new phrase about what I want - 10/19/2009 10:57:33 AM   
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ORIGINAL: cillydom

it's that the terms submissive and slave have become so meaningless.

i think we can all agree what obedience is. you either are obedient or your not.

i'll let others debate the finer differences between sub/slave


So would that be an obedient pet?
obedient human pet?
obedient helper?
obedient assistant?
obedient 24/7 or a weekend warrior type obedient entity?
Would this entity be obedient 10%, 20% 30%...100% of the time?
Would this obedient entity always be obedient even when you accidentally contradict yourself? Or would they...heaven forbid, be disobedient and question when something needs clarification?

I mean, inquiring minds want to know, besides; attempting to reinvent the bloody wheel is both asinine and idiotic in reality.


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RE: Coining new phrase about what I want - 10/19/2009 11:00:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't know what I would call what I want, but I damn sure need to get me a picture of me standing next to it.

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RE: Coining new phrase about what I want - 10/19/2009 11:03:36 AM   
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ORIGINAL: porcelaine

if she self identifies as either. would it suggest that she must be willing to embrace living in another way. the sub who becomes a slave or the slave who becomes a sub?

porcelaine



Yet it can also be said that a person who identifies as a slave will display attributes of qualities which we associate to one who identifies as a submissive; thus the reverse is also true. In the grand scheme of thinks, I see the qualities to what is a slave and what is a sub to be too alike to be able to differentiate. Both are engaging in a form of power play with a dominant person, it's not so much the defining qualities which separate one from the other, it's the mindset the person has and develops which gives them a sense defining themself as a slave or a submissive.


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RE: Coining new phrase about what I want - 10/19/2009 11:06:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

I don't know what I would call what I want, but I damn sure need to get me a picture of me standing next to it.

Ron


*grinz*

face it Ron....you just want a collection of photo of lovely wenches on their knees worshiping you with their mouths wide open!!!!!


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RE: Coining new phrase about what I want - 10/19/2009 11:08:56 AM   
cillydom


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and everyone is free to define them selves as they see fit, as i have to right to define what i want

it's democracy in action

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RE: Coining new phrase about what I want - 10/19/2009 11:11:06 AM   
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RE: Coining new phrase about what I want - 10/19/2009 11:12:39 AM   
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RE: Coining new phrase about what I want - 10/19/2009 11:16:56 AM   
cillydom


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just wondering

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RE: Coining new phrase about what I want - 10/19/2009 11:32:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		Cillydom, define your term please.

Otherwise, it will be useless.


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RE: Coining new phrase about what I want - 10/19/2009 11:38:19 AM   
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...don't submissives submit and don't slaves submit?

just wondering...


it has been this slave's experience that individuals submit...some of them refer to themselves as submissive, some refer to themselves as slave and some don't refer to themselves as either, yet they all still submit, for a variety of reasons and in a variety of ways.
 
best wishes to you in finding an obedient.

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