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RE: Nick Griffin - torn to shreds on QT? - 10/26/2009 6:59:25 AM   
Aneirin


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Status: offline 		I also believe the BNP will crash in May, but not before the main parties actually start thinking about what it is that has made so many vote for the BNP and there formulated something that addresses the growing problems, but with far less extremism. If that happens, then for me, the BNP has inadvertantly done the job it perhaps never intended, by waking up  the government of the majority that there is a problem that needs addressing.

If the main parties choose to ignore the BNP, as just a bunch of nutters, with a distasteful agenda, they may live to regret that. Sure, expose them to media, tear them to shreds in the public eye, ridicule them for what they are but fail to address the concerns of the BNP's increased votership, they may just survive May, and be more powerful than before.

It is always wise to address small problems before they become big problems, burying one's head in the sand will not make the problem go away.


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RE: Nick Griffin - torn to shreds on QT? - 10/26/2009 7:03:30 AM   
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It is always wise to address small problems before they become big problems, burying one's head in the sand will not make the problem go away.



Agreed.

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RE: Nick Griffin - torn to shreds on QT? - 10/26/2009 7:04:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		What are you talking about? How do I wish to defend the B.N.P.? I disagree with the B.N.P. which is why I do not vote for them. I do not support the B.N.P. which is why I do not hand thousands of votes to them by acting like a five year old. I have pointed out to you that the methods you think should be used to combat the B.N.P. are disastrous and are giving them power. I have then pointed out to you that you live in a democracy and cannot dictate what ideas are worthy of debate and whose views should afford them democratic rights. If the B.N.P.'s main policy was that all members of the British army be executed I would still utterly defend it's right to promote those views and hope that the British public had the intellectual capacity to reason against such standpoints. I would be deeply dismayed if I watched as morons allowed them to accumulate power by ignoring the problem until it was too late.

What is really frightening is that as my postys don't agree with you you don't understand them so conclusde that because I disagree with you I am a rascist supporter of the B.N.P. despite everyone of my posts illustrating I am not. You could not do more to help them if you were on the streets handing out flyers for them Kittensol. I would ask for an apology for your foul slander but clearly that's not on the cards why not fling some more degrading epithets my way perhaps that will make my arguments dissolve?

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RE: Nick Griffin - torn to shreds on QT? - 10/26/2009 7:08:13 AM   
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RE: Nick Griffin - torn to shreds on QT? - 10/26/2009 7:10:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		Why? You deliberately misrepresent my posts to insinuate I am a rascist because I believe the tactics you advocate for combating the B.N.P. are pitiful. Don't fling the word about KittenSol it may mean little to you but to some it is monstrously offensive.

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RE: Nick Griffin - torn to shreds on QT? - 10/26/2009 7:18:41 AM   
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You deliberately misrepresent my posts to insinuate I am a rascist because I believe the tactics you advocate for combating the B.N.P. are pitiful. Don't fling the word about KittenSol it may mean little to you but to some it is monstrously offensive.


I don't need to insinuate anything. You said yourself that would consider voting for these clowns. You sank your own ship, and destroyed any potential credibility you might have had.

Secondly, why would you agree with me on anything, since you said yourself you'd vote for them, give or take a couple of 'tweaks' to their policies.  

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RE: Nick Griffin - torn to shreds on QT? - 10/26/2009 7:25:05 AM   
Starbuck09


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Status: offline 		Again misrepresenting what I said. Why not attempt to read the sentence that was from rather than deliberately clipping it? What I said was that I would consider voting for the B.N.P. if they evolved to no longer be rascist. I then listed four policies of their which I like. I then end my post by saying that because of their racism I will neither be voting for the B.N.P. now or in the forseeable future.  What you don't like is that I have illustrated the paucity of merit in your method of steming the B.NP. and so you have resorted to degrading me in the most vile way. Perhaps I shouldn't be afforded democratic rights either?  It's not me whose got the jackboots strapped on Kittensol. I embrace democracy with all the responsibilities that entails.


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RE: Nick Griffin - torn to shreds on QT? - 10/26/2009 7:26:47 AM   
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What you don't like is that I have illustrated the paucity of merit in your method of steming the B.NP. and so you have resorted to degrading me in the most vile way.



Wishful thinking of the highest order.

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RE: Nick Griffin - torn to shreds on QT? - 10/26/2009 7:27:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		 You edited your last post whilst I was formulating my response. I would consider voting for the B.N.P. if they were not rascist and dropped their racial agenda. Not if they made a few ''tweaks'' to their policies. You have already stated how racism is one of their core drives. You are now ignoring your own postings in your attempt to smear your debating opponent.

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RE: Nick Griffin - torn to shreds on QT? - 10/26/2009 7:30:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		 Itt's wishful thinkinght you insinuated I was rascis? Not only did you but you have continued to do so. The B.N.P. has risen in popularity as a direct result of there being noone who has been willing to engage them on an intellectual level and illustrate their deficiencies. Your methods have not worked so far...they have had the opposite effect. Pointing this out has infuriated you leading to your present repugnant assertions.

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RE: Nick Griffin - torn to shreds on QT? - 10/26/2009 7:36:39 AM   
kittinSol


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Status: offline 		Indeed, someone is furious here, but it's not me :-) .

You're demonstrating why it's never a good idea to even consider diving into the forces of darkness: it's not good for the soul.

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RE: Nick Griffin - torn to shreds on QT? - 10/26/2009 7:39:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yes I am furious because you called me rascisecause I disagree with you. Though apparently you find that funny. I'm demonstrating the dearth of intellectual ability which is handing votes to the B.N.P. I understand that in a democracy all that matters is reason. I'll fight the B.N.P with that. You carry on drumming up support for them.

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RE: Nick Griffin - torn to shreds on QT? - 10/26/2009 7:50:56 AM   
kittinSol


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Status: offline 		Nobody called you racist here, mate. You drew your own conclusion, and called yourself that, which is telling.

In any event, it is you that is planning to actively support a party populated by thugs. Nobody else.

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RE: Nick Griffin - torn to shreds on QT? - 10/26/2009 7:56:04 AM   
Starbuck09


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Status: offline 		 Intellectual cowardice KittenSol if you don't have the courage of your convictions then do not post them Don't bleat when called on them.  Where did I call myself rascist? Are you even reading my posts or as they disagree with you you just make up their content to make them more palatable to you horizons?  How am I planning to support the B.N.P.? Again you seem to simply make up content. Have you read my posts? Can you tell me my position with regards to the B.N.P. I can state it for a fourth time if you would like.

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RE: Nick Griffin - torn to shreds on QT? - 10/26/2009 7:59:00 AM   
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In fact, the BNP's constitution (which insists that only "Aryans" are eligible to join) is technically illegal under British law. The Equality and Human Rights Commission have finally noticed this and started taking action about it.


Hilarious, especially considering Griffin's physique - he looks suspiciously Norman to me  .

He very likely is...the Normans conquered Britain in 1066.

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RE: Nick Griffin - torn to shreds on QT? - 10/26/2009 8:02:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		wow - sanctimonious crap, distortions and downright lies - all in one (relatively short) thread

no wonder nothing ever gets sorted out with this sort of ignorant, childish bullshit flying around....  pat yourself on the back, because Nick Griffin and his motley band would be pissing their sides at this

*shakes head*

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RE: Nick Griffin - torn to shreds on QT? - 10/26/2009 8:03:41 AM   
kittinSol


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Status: offline 		Tell me something I don't know, MrRodgers  .

A while ago I watched a BBC documentary about this very subject. Of all the Brits that like to think of themselves as descendants of the Vikings, most of them actually have shameful FRENCH ancestors  .

Griffin, most probably, is one of those people. He should go back where he comes from.

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RE: Nick Griffin - torn to shreds on QT? - 10/26/2009 8:46:06 AM   
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not one person called you a racist - not even kittin.  The only person saying it is yourself.  My only suggestion is you ask and search yourself why you automatically jumped on that... what is it that makes voting BNP make you *insert whatever name here* - just as say - voting conservative makes you *insert whatever name here*.
Honestly?  I am appalled that anyone could even consider voting for the BNP on the provision that they dropped their racist agendas.  What about their anti faith agendas?  Their wish to abolish multiculturalism?  And their homophobic ones?   Their agenda on art council and lottery grants?  Their policy on not allowing doctors or nurses to be trained outside of the UK?  Steamlined education?  The scrapping of Social and health lessons in schools?  That all schools will have christian taught assemblies INCLUDING worship?

I am all for the democratic right for the BNP to debate, so I disagree with kittin on that as I do believe that any group has the right to speach - even hate speach which is disgusting to me.  However I find it disturbing that people even contemplate a vote for the bnp, based on a couple of their policies, when the rest as well as the people involved, are clearly xenophobic.

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RE: Nick Griffin - torn to shreds on QT? - 10/26/2009 8:58:23 AM   
kittinSol


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Status: offline 		Hi thedark - thanks for that. Note: nowhere do I say that the BNP should be muzzled. I don't argue against their right to free speech, but I refuse to take them or their voters seriously, and therefore to give them a legitimate platform upon which to base their hateful, violent and anti-democratic rhetoric.

Otherwise, chapeau!

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RE: Nick Griffin - torn to shreds on QT? - 10/26/2009 9:23:13 AM   
Starbuck09


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Status: offline 		 Do you mind if I give you a word of advice? You should be honest with yourself. Embrace the BNP if you want, but own it. You're being intellectually dishonest right now, and it shows.

Because, without their racist policies, what is it about the BNP that would motivate you to vote for them? I think you're just too ashamed to admit the full truth about what motivates you.

There Darcy racism is implied overtly there. I didn't jump on Kitten she drew her own conclusions and decided which course to take. I feel fully justified in defending myself from such nauseating comments. Once again I am only responding to what is said to me Darcy. I don't vote for Labour but their are plenty of their policies that I agree with. Because I am secure in my beliefs I am able to look at the B.N.P. objectively and see what I percieve as good and what I condemn as bad. In the case of that particualr party the bad outweighs the good which is why I do not vote for them as I made explicity clear.

I consider their efforts to abolish multi culturalism as part and parcel of their racist agendas Darcy, with regards to anti faith I agree with the abolition of faith schools no more. I feel it is important to point out what I said here. I don't support the B.N.P. I have made that quite clear. I simply pointed out that not all their policies are demnted and dismissing them as such is an extremely poor political move.

Kitten you said that the B.N.P. should not be debated despite their legitimate status and that their voters should be denied democratic rights you might as well be campaigning for them. Unless you can beat them intellectually you have already lost in a democracy.

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