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tazzygirl -> RE: Man arrested for being naked in own kitchen (11/2/2009 5:17:30 PM)

we cannot assume everyone is in an alternate lifestyle. Laws are written with the community at large in mind. If there are laws against public nudity, and the public can see you from your windows, then you are breaking the law. When that public becomes minors, then you are breaking more.

When it comes to children, there is no other side. They have no choices. Adults do. He had the choice to close his blinds that morning, of the night before. He had the choice of putting on a robe or not. The kids waiting for the bus... bus stops are a requirement in most places.

Nor can we override the rights of a parent to raise their children in the manner they deem fit... as long as that manner does no harm. Anyone would be hard put to defend the belief that the human body is a requirement for all children to view. Not every parent allows their children to explore the nude form. That is their right as parents. Unless you are advocating the belief that simply because someone wishes to run around nude, children have to be subjected to such.

Now we come to the final part. How much exposure of the human body to children is acceptable before we say.. no more. I cannot say for someone else's child how much... only for my own. Yet, his repeated intentional exposure, if that part is proven (and has not yet been proven) would lead many to worry about deeper issues and intentions. Which is why i say this story should be watched.

we may live differently and see nothing wrong with this behavior. i know people who see nothing wrong with bondage. is it ok to watch your neighbors string each other up from the ceiling? or is it the adults responsibility to draw the curtains on such things to protect the presumed innocence of the young.

Who makes the call when they can be subjected to your morality?




kdsub -> RE: Man arrested for being naked in own kitchen (11/2/2009 5:25:35 PM)

Maybe I am wrong but I was the only one as you say "puritanical"...lol...far from reality there but true in this thread...most said it was bullshit.

I read he flashed in one window then followed to another to flash again... this does not say accident...it says flasher.

There is another issue besides the display of a body... it is... can this man be dangerous to the children. I think yes and he should be watched if found guilty.

If he or I were at an area where nudity was accepted and allowed then I'm all for it. That 7 year old boy is not in danger from being flashed but he could be from a sexual predator which many flashers progress to.

It is best to be careful just as the police are doing. It is sad that if innocent he will be marked as a flasher to the public...but he should have had a towel...not the police's fault he did not use one.


Butch




DemonKia -> RE: Man arrested for being naked in own kitchen (11/2/2009 6:14:19 PM)

Um, not arguing with y'all's point in any case, but did ya note the part in the story that said he had moved from that residence?

Now, if he moves to another child-adjacent spot, & / or other pertinent details emerge, that's one thing . ... .

& another thought that's been niggling at me as I read thru this thread: 'flash' versus nudism-nudity type stuff . . . . . To my mind, flash has connotations of 'quickly revealing something hidden, looking for reaction, then hiding it again' versus he walked from one un-curtained room to another while nude, oblivious to people who may or may not be visible from the interior . .. . . Again, it's all in the little details.

I also noted that the woman walking child was married to a police officer & this stood out in my head for some reason I've not fully parsed out yet . . . .. .



Independent of the particular case inciting this thread, there's good reason to be concerned about 'flashers' as it can be a signal of sex crime progression in an individual offender over time (& that's a rather perverted use of the term 'progress', true) . . .. .

With one of the hallmarks being a kind of evolving aggressiveness about being 'inappropriate', especially coupled to an escalation of behaviors. If any of that is discernible. Especially given that there is random background 'noise' of casual nudity & etc that's not symptomatic of a growth pattern of problematic behavior on the part of an individual drawn from a fairly small portion of the overall population . . . . .




Termyn8or -> RE: Man arrested for being naked in own kitchen (11/2/2009 8:02:24 PM)

"this does not say accident"

That is correct and up until now I hadn't really considered that he might be the bad kind of perv. It is entirely possible, but statistically even if it was a prev impulse, there was no touching, no violation. By the numbers it is not really more likely. 

Now let's go there. We got a guy who is having his morning coffee in the buff. Someone is staring at him through the window. Now if he is the type of people who, for example, frequent nudist camps, what evidence does anyone have that this was even the slightest bit pervish ?

Some poeople are just like that, and now what, is everyone a bigot against them types ? So now instead of race it is this ? Think of those hanging trees down south during the end of the reconstruction after the civil war. Is this so much different ?

We have assumptions. First of all if the guy is a Wiccan he whole heartedly believes in nudity just about. (I think, it is one of those other religions). I mean like I take my shoes off after work, he would just get naked. There is nothing sexual about it, it is more spiritual.

So what if that is his habit because of that ? That takes us back down the slope here to ask what harm was done. Kid saw, so what. If it were me, she could walk up to my door like a neighbor should and ask me to refrain from "being so public" or pubic or something. I would agree and apologize. IMO any decent neighbor should do the same. Get my drift ? There are things that are wrong, but we have to draw the line somewhere before everybody in the fucking world is in jail. And that takes understanding of others, with different viewpoints and ideals.

What that takes is tolerance, and if we can be sure this guy is no threat, let him go, and admonish him about community standards all that and whatever. Impel him to coooperate.

You know the fucking media, and what I say might be total bullshit, but it must be considered. I do have the right to go in my kitchen naked.

You would probably have to be there to make a really accurate judgement. You don't trust what I say 100% and I think you would be a fool to do so. I likewise do not trust what you say 100%, for the same reason. But in my years at CM, I think I can state that most of us have very little if any confidence in the media.

So where does that leave us ? A sketchy outline of a story, meant to sell breakfast cereal, spun and topped by experts in the field. Call me an ass, call me whatever the fuck you want, but someone has to see the other side(s) to the story. You see if I understand them, and they really are enemies, I can better vanquish them because I know their viewpoint.

I have been told I would make a good lawyer. I can literally argue against myself, more effectively than most think. This practices me up for the real thing. Indeed one of the things I think of when y'all bring in all these news flashes is, what if I had to defend this person ? I mean in court. You think CM has strict rules, try court ! This is a cool breeze by comparison. Actually in some ways doing your thing in court is worse than just doing the time. There are now other reasons you must fight everything.

I just thought I would say that, any really effective lawyer is a liar, and the proper name is attouney, which means one who twists. If we allow even the truly guilty to go unrepresented we might as well bring back the witch trials by dunking, burning or whatever. Yup, if you are dead you are innocent, but if you are alive you are guilty.

Enough.

T




tazzygirl -> RE: Man arrested for being naked in own kitchen (11/3/2009 3:13:48 AM)

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Now let's go there. We got a guy who is having his morning coffee in the buff. Someone is staring at him through the window. Now if he is the type of people who, for example, frequent nudist camps, what evidence does anyone have that this was even the slightest bit pervish ?

Some poeople are just like that, and now what, is everyone a bigot against them types ? So now instead of race it is this ? Think of those hanging trees down south during the end of the reconstruction after the civil war. Is this so much different ?

We have assumptions. First of all if the guy is a Wiccan he whole heartedly believes in nudity just about. (I think, it is one of those other religions). I mean like I take my shoes off after work, he would just get naked. There is nothing sexual about it, it is more spiritual.

So what if that is his habit because of that ? That takes us back down the slope here to ask what harm was done. Kid saw, so what. If it were me, she could walk up to my door like a neighbor should and ask me to refrain from "being so public" or pubic or something. I would agree and apologize. IMO any decent neighbor should do the same. Get my drift ? There are things that are wrong, but we have to draw the line somewhere before everybody in the fucking world is in jail. And that takes understanding of others, with different viewpoints and ideals.


When you go to a nudist camp, there are expectations that everyone at least agrees with the idea that someone will be nude. On main street, not so much.

Again, your argument of imposing your adult morality upon somone who doesnt wish to teach that morality to the young, and the law of the "land" is behind them just wont work.

No one is saying he cant. What they are saying is... close the damn drapes. If i chose to go to a nudist camp, then i cant complain. I put myself there.




Aneirin -> RE: Man arrested for being naked in own kitchen (11/3/2009 3:21:30 AM)

And that, the complainant's name is witheld, is wrong. The accused is named, but the accuser is hidden. Say this goes nowhere, it doesn't reach court, the police wind their necks in, the guy is named as a potential pervert, the accuser stays hidden. That accuser can go about their normal daily business, even chat with the man in passing, and he would not know this woman was the one responsible  for screwing up his life and making him suspect in the minds of those that followed the case, which I may add, has gone world wide now.

And so I read the complainant, is the wife of a police officer, hmmm, would that police officer be enraged when it was his kid that was exposed to, would this police officer given his position desire to use his position. From the initial wife complaining to husband what she saw, to wife complaining to officer of the law, was there a difference in what happened. An enraged father's vitriol clashing with his job perhaps. Did this woman complain to the police in general, or did she complain to hubby who was at work, who happened to be a police officer on duty or not, as the case may be.

Personally, I think something stinks in this.




devilishpixie -> RE: Man arrested for being naked in own kitchen (11/3/2009 3:32:19 AM)


Termy8or

Laws are designed to protect society from acts of its irresponsible citizens (and IMO this man in was at least irresponsible) without infringing up on their individual rights. The law is supposed to set boundaries between individuals, groups and organizations. It defines the limits of freedom of one relative to the freedom of another. This is supposed to eliminate conflict in the exercise of individual freedom. And yes if you put your individual freedom above the freedom / rights of others around you may indeed suffer legal consequences. This man had a right to walk around nude in his own home but children at the bus stop or passing by also have a right not to be forced to see a nude man every time they walk past his home. I think this is a case where the rights of the masses outweigh the rights of the individual.


I believe there is a difference between choosing to expose your children and or yourself to things such as a nudist colony and having those choices forced upon you. Just as I see a difference between taking my children to a musuem to see David or any other nude art work and having someone expose themselves to me and my children. I think you comparing apples and oranges.









devilishpixie -> RE: Man arrested for being naked in own kitchen (11/3/2009 3:36:32 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

And that, the complainant's name is witheld, is wrong. The accused is named, but the accuser is hidden. Say this goes nowhere, it doesn't reach court, the police wind their necks in, the guy is named as a potential pervert, the accuser stays hidden. That accuser can go about their normal daily business, even chat with the man in passing, and he would not know this woman was the one responsible  for screwing up his life and making him suspect in the minds of those that followed the case, which I may add, has gone world wide now.

And so I read the complainant, is the wife of a police officer, hmmm, would that police officer be enraged when it was his kid that was exposed to, would this police officer given his position desire to use his position. From the initial wife complaining to husband what she saw, to wife complaining to officer of the law, was there a difference in what happened. An enraged father's vitriol clashing with his job perhaps. Did this woman complain to the police in general, or did she complain to hubby who was at work, who happened to be a police officer on duty or not, as the case may be.

Personally, I think something stinks in this.



I may be wrong but isn't flashing or exposing ones self a form of sexual assualt? If it is then the victims name would be held especially the name of any minor child.




Aneirin -> RE: Man arrested for being naked in own kitchen (11/3/2009 4:20:49 AM)

I understand that, but, is it fair ?

I take for example the many instances of so called date rape that occurred in this country some years ago, the accused's name, photograph and any details that could be dug up, including where they came from, their family etc was blasted all over the news as the investigation went on. Now the accuser was kept secret, nowhere were her details released, she was invisible to the eyes of the world. Everywhere the accused went, he received the comments and sly looks from everyone who recognised him, in some cases, he was attacked by self righteous individuals who drew their own conclusions. Many of these accused lost their jobs, and their social lives, they were effectively, hung, drawn and quartered in the eyes of the public, guilty as sin and deserved everything they got. To note, the case had not even gone to court yet. In some cases if it went to court, and it was discovered both parties were drunk, then rape was questionable, but often the case did not go to court, the accuser withdrew their complaint for reasons unknown.

But, the damage was done, the accused had had their life ruined, no conviction, but in the eyes of the public, shit sticks, tell me, that is fair ?

I worked with such a chap, I saw what happened to him, he from a normal lad amongst lads turned into a bitter shell, he kept away from women and from being the party animal before the accusation, he retreated into himself, never going out, no socialising with anyone. Now, where I worked and lived, there was a bar there, for the workers, he drank there, and drank to excess, he became drunk all the time and eventually after a lot of trouble, lost his job and disappeared. What happened to him, well, we all knew roughly who the accuser was,stopped many of us, many of us gave up the hunt on a friday and saturday night, just not worth it, as it was too easy for events to be made something else, and when the drink is in, the sense is out, with both people concerned, but it really scared what one person can do on a word, we seen the effects and I for one was not going down that route.

So, what I am saying here, is if there is to be an accused, then let that person have the anonymity the accuser has on the run up to any lawful action, the court. If found guilty, then by all means report the fact, but if not found guilty, preserve the anonymity, as it is often not what the law does that is the damage, it being supposedly fair and all that, but it is what happens in the public eye that is the damage to a person.

So, in this case, the chap in the window, making a brew in the buff, his details are known, he has not been tried in a court of law, and he has not been convicted of a crime, but in the public eye, and may I add more or less world wide now, people have drawn their own conclusions, just ask yourself, what it is like to be in his shoes at the moment, is he getting on with life as though nothing has happened, people saying hello to him in the street etc, his normal existence, or has things changed for him, has he been labelled something based upon the hue and the cry, the public perception and judgement. Is his life going to be the same again, or has it effectively been ruined. If this does go to court, and he is found guilty, then maybe he deserves what he gets, but if it doesn't go to court, or he is not found guilty what then, back to life as it was before ?




devilishpixie -> RE: Man arrested for being naked in own kitchen (11/3/2009 4:39:41 AM)

So you think that news papers and programs should be able to plaster the names and faces of victims of sexual assualt all over the place because it would be fair to the accused? The accused faces their day in court, legally that is all that the laws requires and trust me for many victims that is hard enough without having your life ripped apart by the media.

I agree, the laws aren't perfect and that those wrongly accused face a hell of a battle afterwards. They do have legal recourse if wrongly accused, it doesn't take away the stigma but stigmatizing the victims isn't the answer either IMO




Aneirin -> RE: Man arrested for being naked in own kitchen (11/3/2009 4:51:55 AM)

No, I believe no one , no names be released into the public arena until the day in court, that way, there is no influence from public concern.

As to victims attending court and how hard that is, yes, I know, been there, I even refused to go, but was forced by threats of contempt of court, crown court at that.




Lucienne -> RE: Man arrested for being naked in own kitchen (11/3/2009 6:08:44 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Aneirin

What happened to him, well, we all knew roughly who the accuser was,stopped many of us, many of us gave up the hunt on a friday and saturday night, just not worth it, as it was too easy for events to be made something else, and when the drink is in, the sense is out, with both people concerned, but it really scared what one person can do on a word, we seen the effects and I for one was not going down that route.


You make it sound like that's a bad thing. Fucking drunken strangers/acquaintances is a risky proposition for more reasons than worries about rape accusations. You and the community are better off with you guys "giving up the hunt" on friday night.




Casie -> RE: Man arrested for being naked in own kitchen (11/3/2009 2:02:01 PM)

My this is ridiculous. For one this man obviously did not intentionally show himself. I don't know why people get so offended by the human anatomy. I mean it's not like he was doing anything provocative. I can understand people not wanting their children exposed to sexuality but seeing someones natural body part on accident. Give me a break there are things much more serious in the world to protect your child from...for example half the commercials on tv.




pahunkboy -> RE: Man arrested for being naked in own kitchen (11/3/2009 2:22:28 PM)

I wonder if it comes up on google street views.    




Irishknight -> RE: Man arrested for being naked in own kitchen (11/3/2009 3:15:25 PM)

Again, they were in HIS yard. If they had seen it without being on his property I would agree. If you come onto my property and I'm walking around naked... get the fuck off my property!




Acer49 -> RE: Man arrested for being naked in own kitchen (11/3/2009 3:26:24 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Aneirin

Man arrested for being naked in own kitchen

When I saw the above headline, I immediately thought yet another, it could only happen in Britain, but I was wrong, it is in the US, what madness, and a worry, because I do the same. I wasn't aware it can be taken as a crime, in your own house, my beliefs were, if someone views something they don't like, well, they shouldn't be looking in people's houses. Windows in houses are for the purpose of those inside, looking out, not some nosy bastard looking in.

Wtf is happening to this world we call civilised ?



This is lame, you got no business looking in another person's house




Anarrus -> RE: Man arrested for being naked in own kitchen (11/3/2009 3:55:43 PM)

~FR~

I've been searching all over the net to find an in detail account of exactly what allegedly happened in hope it would put to rest a lot of the conjecture I've been reading here. So far all the news stories concerning this are sketchy and brief in detail at best.
However one news site did make an interesting point and one worth some consideration......what do you suppose would have happened if the "exposer" had been a nude female in her kitchen making coffee and the "exposees" had been a father and his 7 year old child?
Just some food for thought[:D]




Anarrus -> RE: Man arrested for being naked in own kitchen (11/3/2009 4:08:39 PM)

nevermind..I finally found it.




kdsub -> RE: Man arrested for being naked in own kitchen (11/3/2009 5:19:47 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Casie

My this is ridiculous. For one this man obviously did not intentionally show himself. I don't know why people get so offended by the human anatomy. I mean it's not like he was doing anything provocative. I can understand people not wanting their children exposed to sexuality but seeing someones natural body part on accident. Give me a break there are things much more serious in the world to protect your child from...for example half the commercials on tv.


How can you say that with such certainty when he flashed in one window then marched through the house and flashed again in the living room window all timed to allow the woman and her child to see him?

Please read the articles presented they are very clear.

Butch




Casie -> RE: Man arrested for being naked in own kitchen (11/3/2009 5:41:07 PM)

I did read the article. I could just as easily assume the man walking through his house would pass more than one window. They were in his yard. I do not believe he intentionally exposed himself to anyone. I walk through my house naked. I'm sure it is possible at some point in time someone might catch a little peak. Big deal. Do we really live in a society that is so fearful that we must legislate what we do in our own homes? I don't believe they can prove intent here. And I believe this mother is paranoid, over reacting, and perpetuating irrational fears on her child. Children should be aware that the should watch for danger, not terrified it's hiding around every corner. This man is hardly a threat to anyone. Perhaps if some perv of the street ran up to them and shoved his junk on them then yes this would be sexual imposition. What the crime here? Is the woman and child scared for life because they accidentally observed some guys junk no. And I bet when that child becomes a teenager and adult they will laughingly tell the story. 




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