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BKSir -> RE: Man arrested for being naked in own kitchen (11/3/2009 5:42:43 PM)
All this story brings to mind is something a friend of mine once said. "This country was founded by puritans, and they never fucking left."

ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Man arrested for being naked in own kitchen (11/3/2009 6:36:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub quote: ORIGINAL: Casie My this is ridiculous. For one this man obviously did not intentionally show himself. I don't know why people get so offended by the human anatomy. I mean it's not like he was doing anything provocative. I can understand people not wanting their children exposed to sexuality but seeing someones natural body part on accident. Give me a break there are things much more serious in the world to protect your child from...for example half the commercials on tv. How can you say that with such certainty when he flashed in one window then marched through the house and flashed again in the living room window all timed to allow the woman and her child to see him? Please read the articles presented they are very clear. Butch They may be clear, but that doesn't mean they're accurate. I've read other articles that say the man was in his garage when the woman and her child first saw him, and I've seen at least 3 different times for when the incident occurred - anywhere from 5:30 AM to 8:30. This is a significant point, given that at 5:30 it was still dark and a reasonable person could presume that if he were standing in his kitchen nude, with the lights on, there would be a good chance someone would see him; whereas at 8:30, in the daylight (with the lights out), one could safely presume that nobody is likely to see them. So. Which articles do we believe? Or which parts of which articles? And even if one of these conflicting news articles is completely accurate, they're nowhere near sufficiently detailed to make an absolute determination as to exactly what happened, much less the man's intent. There's just no way in the world that any of use can draw an absolute conclusion, based on the information available to us.

kdsub -> RE: Man arrested for being naked in own kitchen (11/3/2009 6:42:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Casie I did read the article. I could just as easily assume the man walking through his house would pass more than one window. They were in his yard. I do not believe he intentionally exposed himself to anyone. I walk through my house naked. I'm sure it is possible at some point in time someone might catch a little peak. Big deal. Do we really live in a society that is so fearful that we must legislate what we do in our own homes? I don't believe they can prove intent here. And I believe this mother is paranoid, over reacting, and perpetuating irrational fears on her child. Children should be aware that the should watch for danger, not terrified it's hiding around every corner. This man is hardly a threat to anyone. Perhaps if some perv of the street ran up to them and shoved his junk on them then yes this would be sexual imposition. What the crime here? Is the woman and child scared for life because they accidentally observed some guys junk no. And I bet when that child becomes a teenager and adult they will laughingly tell the story. You did not read all the articles or watch the video or you would have read and seen that the mother was not in his yard...she was walking on the sidewalk...not at 5:30 in the morning when dark but 8:30 when it was light. He was not in his window but standing in front of a glass door...looking at her. He then followed her to the front of the house and flashed again... right across from a school bus stop...where the mother was walking her son. Now if you refuse to see facts as they are presented check out the video...you can see the house...door… and windows and will see that there is enough evidence for doubt. Butch

kdsub -> RE: Man arrested for being naked in own kitchen (11/3/2009 7:12:18 PM)
Checkout the shot of his house...he was standing in the kitchen door in daylight...not a window...not dark. Woman was on the sidewalk walking to the bus stop across the street from his house. He walked to the living room and exposed himself again...in direct view of the bus stop at 8:30 in the morning.. with perfect timing to followher as she walked past...yea accident my missing ass. [image]http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc281/Butche_58/p38902174-5.jpg[/image] Butch

tazzygirl -> RE: Man arrested for being naked in own kitchen (11/3/2009 10:21:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Casie I did read the article. I could just as easily assume the man walking through his house would pass more than one window. They were in his yard. I do not believe he intentionally exposed himself to anyone. I walk through my house naked. I'm sure it is possible at some point in time someone might catch a little peak. Big deal. Do we really live in a society that is so fearful that we must legislate what we do in our own homes? I don't believe they can prove intent here. And I believe this mother is paranoid, over reacting, and perpetuating irrational fears on her child. Children should be aware that the should watch for danger, not terrified it's hiding around every corner. This man is hardly a threat to anyone. Perhaps if some perv of the street ran up to them and shoved his junk on them then yes this would be sexual imposition. What the crime here? Is the woman and child scared for life because they accidentally observed some guys junk no. And I bet when that child becomes a teenager and adult they will laughingly tell the story. Houses have windows... thy make shades, drapes, blinds ect. There is a school bus stop across the street from his house. AGAIN.. we have no right to force our morality onto other peoples children. At what point does this cross from being entitled to be natural within your own home and move into the realm of potential peadophilia? And in what direction to we err?

Termyn8or -> RE: Man arrested for being naked in own kitchen (11/3/2009 10:49:33 PM)
OK, I'm using FR, so this first. "we have no right to force our morality onto other peoples children" OK, so I can play another round of Devil's advocate. You are born without clothes. Are you obscene at the time ? Really ? So to say that is to accept that their way is right and they should be able to dictate to the rest of us when to wear clothes. Well then I guess they can dictate alot of other things, like Man shall not lay with Man. Same thing different issue. I bet they frown on most forms of kink as being "unnatural". And you know what ? I am not particularly comfortable in the nude. In a private setting yes, myself and one other. This is not just because I am a grower not a shower, it is just the way I am. But because I do not decide to walk around naked nobody else can ? Just who is so presumptuous to supposedly assume that authority ? Never mind I know who, and we all know they are not on our side. We must have higher morals than our adversary, if not, I don't see the reason in not simply attacking ourselves. Much simpler eh ? I don't practice my right to walk around in the nude, I simply don't like it, but is it within my authority to take that right away from others ? NO. That one word is the answer. If we don't stand together we shall hang seperately.I'll support your rights even if I think them wrong, as long as you are not bothering anyone. Will you support mine ? T

blacksword404 -> RE: Man arrested for being naked in own kitchen (11/3/2009 10:53:33 PM)
FR I would like to know if his nakedness was visible from public.(Seeing that she was viewing his nakedness from his own property). If you cannot see his nakedness from the street, and only from inside his property then drop charges against him and charge her as a peeping tomasina.

blacksword404 -> RE: Man arrested for being naked in own kitchen (11/3/2009 11:20:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Houses have windows... thy make shades, drapes, blinds ect. There is a school bus stop across the street from his house. AGAIN.. we have no right to force our morality onto other peoples children. At what point does this cross from being entitled to be natural within your own home and move into the realm of potential peadophilia? And in what direction to we err? How about we not err at all and be precise. Many of the dumb laws we have right now are because lawmakers did not take the time to properly consider things before making law and instead decided to err.

blacksword404 -> RE: Man arrested for being naked in own kitchen (11/3/2009 11:23:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Woman was on the sidewalk walking to the bus stop across the street from his house. Butch If this is true then it does make a difference. There are a bunch of differing versions of what happened.

LookieNoNookie -> RE: Man arrested for being naked in own kitchen (11/4/2009 3:52:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aneirin Man arrested for being naked in own kitchen When I saw the above headline, I immediately thought yet another, it could only happen in Britain, but I was wrong, it is in the US, what madness, and a worry, because I do the same. I wasn't aware it can be taken as a crime, in your own house, my beliefs were, if someone views something they don't like, well, they shouldn't be looking in people's houses. Windows in houses are for the purpose of those inside, looking out, not some nosy bastard looking in. Wtf is happening to this world we call civilised ? Personally....I'd have filed a complain against her for being a peeping Tom. (And had the roles been reversed...and she'd done so....he'd be in jail).

kdsub -> RE: Man arrested for being naked in own kitchen (11/4/2009 9:48:37 AM)
lol...I give up...the sidewalk is public property...there is no doubt that he flashes while she was on a public sidewalk...at least when flashing the second time at the front of the house...he admits that…she was NOT on his property. The sidewalk curves...LOOK at the picture...so the kitchen door, not window, is visible from the sidewalk...damn common sense people. tazzygirl has it right...it is not the nudity that is in question but if it was purposely displayed in an inappropriate situation. People who do this are more likely than average to move on to more serious sexual assaults… That is a fact… As far as I can see there is only one official version of events…at least in the links provided. But hell no more from me I really don’t care if you refuse to admit there is evidence that he could be a potential child molester. Butch

ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Man arrested for being naked in own kitchen (11/4/2009 10:47:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub lol...I give up...the sidewalk is public property...there is no doubt that he flashes... You were there, were you? quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub As far as I can see there is only one official version of events…at least in the links provided. First of all, the story's been changing ever since it broke. When this first came out about a week ago, there were significant differences between what was reported then and what is being reported now. Several of us have pointed out some of these differences. Here's a link to just one story with a very different version of events - quote: As officers tell it, the 45-year-old woman, the wife of a Fairfax cop, was walking her son to school about 9 a.m. on a path between tennis courts and the house where Williamson had been living for three months when a noise drew her attention to a side door. Now that "path between the tennis courts and the house" has somehow become "the sidewalk in front of the house." That's potentially a huge difference, depending on where this path supposedly was. Was the woman in front of the house, or between the house and the tennis courts? It appears that at least one version of the story is completely incompatible with the other. Second, the articles linked just in this thread alone have significant differences - the time varies by 3 hours. Did it happen at 5:30, or did it happen at 8:30? It could not have been both. One version of the story is clearly incompatible with the other. Sunrise was about 7:20 AM that day, so either it happened at night, or in broad daylight. Even if you don't accept that this makes a significant difference in how visible the man would have been from outside, you have to acknowledge that it clearly shows we can't trust the accuracy of the news reports on which you are basing your judgment. You weren't there. You have no way to know exactly what happened. All you know is what the newspapers are reporting, and since the newspaper reports clearly contain fundamentally incompatible contradictions, you can not possibly rely on them to tell you exactly what happened.

Irishknight -> RE: Man arrested for being naked in own kitchen (11/4/2009 11:12:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Casie I walk through my house naked. I'm sure it is possible at some point in time someone might catch a little peak. Just in case I happen to be walking by, can I get times that this may be occuring so I know when to look...errr not to look... umm.... crap. I've said too much.

kdsub -> RE: Man arrested for being naked in own kitchen (11/4/2009 11:21:04 AM)
Panda we could go back and forth... the links I read were consistent...but I have always been saying that there is evidence for doubt he is telling the truth... that is different from people saying he has a right to be naked in front of a window and the woman is a peeping tom and this should all be dropped. You talk… I show pictures… it is obvious what had to happen… The woman could not of seen him in the front window from his side yard if she were trespassing. If she were in the side yard she could not have seen his naked body through the window…only through the open glass door…She could have also seen him in the door on the sidewalk. Her story is consistent his is not there is evidence for further investigation and there could be potential danger to children…do you really think it should be swept under the rug? Butch

ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Man arrested for being naked in own kitchen (11/4/2009 11:59:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Panda we could go back and forth... the links I read were consistent...but I have always been saying that there is evidence for doubt he is telling the truth... that is different from people saying he has a right to be naked in front of a window and the woman is a peeping tom and this should all be dropped. You talk… I show pictures… it is obvious what had to happen… The woman could not of seen him in the front window from his side yard if she were trespassing. If she were in the side yard she could not have seen his naked body through the window…only through the open glass door…She could have also seen him in the door on the sidewalk. Her story is consistent his is not there is evidence for further investigation and there could be potential danger to children…do you really think it should be swept under the rug? Butch Well, no, Butch, I'm not saying anything should be "swept under the rug." There's a huge gulf between "sweeping it under the rug" and rushing to judgment and making sweeping statements about how "obvious" is that the man is guilty of exposing himself. Simply letting the legal process run its course until the facts have been established is not "sweeping anything under the rug." And no, the woman's story is not consistent with some of the news articles. They clearly differ from one article to the other. You are so deeply invested in your emotional argument that you are completely ignoring that basic fact. If your only source of information is news articles, and the news articles directly and irreconciliably contradict each other, then the only thing that's obvious is that you do not know exactly what happened. No matter how many times you insist that it's obvious. You're simply picking out the details that support the conclusion to which you've jumped, and completely dismissing any details that contradict that conclusion - such as where the woman was walking when she saw him, which is different depending upon which article you choose to believe . The picture you posted means nothing if we don't even know for sure where the woman was in relation to the house. Heck, we don't even know for sure whether it was the dark of night or broad daylight. There are huge discrepancies in the information available to us, and for some reason you insist in proclaiming as gospel truth the articles which support your conclusion, and totally ignoring the articles that do not. Do you have some specific reason that some of these articles seem valid to you and others are not?

Termyn8or -> RE: Man arrested for being naked in own kitchen (11/4/2009 12:23:12 PM)
FR Here comes the big stirring spoon. Melt this. What if they had binoculars or a telescope ? Then they could see his shwantz from across town. Where does that leave us ? T

tazzygirl -> RE: Man arrested for being naked in own kitchen (11/4/2009 5:15:19 PM)
I dont care what adult could or could not see him, my interest lays in what the childrn can see. I posted both accounts of this story, which called into doubt the truth behind it all. As i said before, this case should be watched.

ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Man arrested for being naked in own kitchen (11/4/2009 6:07:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl I dont care what adult could or could not see him, my interest lays in what the childrn can see. I posted both accounts of this story, which called into doubt the truth behind it all. As i said before, this case should be watched. Oh, I completely agree. Personally, I think his story sounds a little fishy. My gut tells me there's more to it than his side of it. All I'm saying is, we don't know enough to rush to judgment. But the legal system has it's teeth sunk into it now, and won't let go until the courts have worked it out and determined exactly what happened. Until then, all we can do is wait and see how it turns out.

ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Man arrested for being naked in own kitchen (11/4/2009 6:08:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or FR Here comes the big stirring spoon. Melt this. What if they had binoculars or a telescope ? Then they could see his shwantz from across town. Where does that leave us ? Feelin' pretty damned pleased with ourselves that nobody needs no binoculars or telescopes to see our schwantzes from across town, by god.

tazzygirl -> RE: Man arrested for being naked in own kitchen (11/4/2009 6:10:57 PM)
I got the impression when i read both versions, that the first was his... and the second was hers.

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