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RE: Help me. I'm trapped ! - 3/9/2006 9:49:15 AM   
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Perhaps she doesn't have submissive tendancies and this is why a D/s is not an option in their marriage. Not all females are submissive...

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RE: Help me. I'm trapped ! - 3/9/2006 10:42:15 AM   
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Perhaps she doesn't have submissive tendancies and this is why a D/s is not an option in their marriage. Not all females are submissive...

Lashra


True, of course, but that doesn't mean that -all- elements of BDSM would be out. That is, -she- doesn't have to submit.

Perhaps they could come to a solution that invovles outside parties, either one committed relationshio with a woman who -is- submissive or play partners.

Other's have said it, but the way that I look at situations that invovle someone who 'really loves and is very devoted to' their spouse is this----
You love them so much you don't want to -not- be married to them. Then love them enough to give them a chance to make their own choice. You've chosen to pursue a relationship/interaction outside the marriage, give the spouse a choice to decide if that's ok.

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RE: Help me. I'm trapped ! - 3/9/2006 10:53:24 AM   
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From what I read in OP.. that's not an option. The wife wants no part of BDSM.. so he went ut side the marriage to get his "fix".

So there for she's made her choice.... and so has he... and now he wants someone to tell him he's following his heart.. doing what he must to be happy.... in the mean time... making his self sick with guilt. And now he wants someone to tell him it's alright.

Well it's not alright. Either shit or get off the pot. You love her so much... then instead of sacrifice her.... sacrifice yourself.... and straighten up. Either leave... or tell her.. and let her then decide what she's going to with you... not you with her.

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RE: Help me. I'm trapped ! - 3/9/2006 11:34:01 AM   
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Whether sex is involved or not would depend upon whatever the two of you decide; it's just not anybody else's business.


I think it should definately be his vanilla wife's business!

If you love your wife, you need to talk to her and be honest about your thoughts and feelings. If this is something she will under no circumstances be willing to negotiate, you could then have a discussion about getting your needs meet outside the relationship. If that is also a deal breaker for her in the marriage, you will have to decide to stay with her because you love her and deny a huge part of yourself or divorce and seek the lifestyle you desire.

I wouldn't do anything more for you to regret, IMO it is time to be open and honest, because you are denying her that kind of relationship right now, clean things up.

Good Luck and Best Wishes,


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RE: Help me. I'm trapped ! - 3/9/2006 11:37:32 AM   
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So....
What do I do? I have to do something to feel I am part of the whole bdsm culture. And I would prefer if that something didnt disrupt my otherwise good life. I would love an on line sub. But have you tried getting one? They just dont want a married man. :o) Even chatting about the subject is good - love this board, so much intelligent input, so refreshing - but finding that isnt to easy either. Reminising about the good times had in the past would be better than nothing.

So is there anything an experienced sadistic dominant can do for satisfaction, no matter how mild that may be?


You answered your own question already. Post to the boards. Engage in conversation. Discuss BDSM to your hearts content here and elsewhere. You can ask anything and everything and will, most certainly, get replies. Be aware that on a public board, they might not be want you want to hear and you won't find much in the way of wanking material, but for honest to goodness intellectual discourse, you'd be welcome with open arms.

A few suggestions - don't tell your wife about the your indiscretions. The only reason to go in to them at this point is to try to clear your conscience .. it's your guilt now, so live with that and let her remain in the dark. You claim you're a dominant, so be one. Exhibit self-control in the future and it won't effect your marriage. What you can do, is share with your wife that this is a subject in which you are interested but that you will keep it to nothing but discussion. It's not very different from reading Penthouse or Playboy and lots of vanilla wives know that's just something they must accept. You don't have to be a saint. I'm sure your wife already knows you're not perfect, but you don't have to hide something which interests you either. BDSM is becoming more mainstream as time passes and if you assure her of your intent to keep faithful.. and then DO SO, she might be a bit more accepting than you give her credit for.

Weigh the thrill of the secret against the devastation it can do to your marriage. Do you 'really' want to keep your marriage in tact? If so, tread carefully before further indulgence. It can come back and bite you in the ass when you least expect it.

I disagree with TM about going to munches or joining a group and things of that nature to find a submissive in a similar situation. Most who are hiding their private lives from spouses don't attend such things and your odds of finding someone there who's in the same boat is very, very slim and you'll have to take a fairly hefty risk of being outed if you attend such as they are almost always held in public venues. On-line email groups or sites are much more conducive and safer for you at this point.

Ok, here's the part where I put on my judges robes. Quite frankly, I don't give a shit if I come off as a self-righteous bitch. I've given you some very good advice. You should take it. You've screwed up twice already and you are ashamed of it. It's not going to get any better if you continue to be a liar and a cheat. It's going to eat at your marriage.. but more importantly, it's going to eat your soul. You can always get another wife, but your soul.. that's a one shot, buddy.

Only you can decide if your marriage is worth the risk you are willing to take, but consider this.. if you fail to inform your wife, you are taking all her choices from her without her consent. Is that your idea of a dominant? You are not allowing her the opportunity to choose to stay with you or leave your cheating ass when you withhold facts. You've stated that the acts you engaged in were purely physical. You're 38, not 17.. so have some self-control. You're a man for pete's sake, so act like one. Contrary to popular belief, BDSM is FULL of judgments and judgmental people.. as you can see, I'm one of them and I make no bones about it and I don't molly coddle liars and cheats for the sake of some PC, rose-colored glasses view of life. If you continue the road of cheating, you're nothing but a selfish, sackless coward.

Now, all that said, forgiveness of self is entirely possible and your future actions will dictate how you view yourself and how others view you. People screw up but I'm the sort of person that won't hold it against someone if they truly repent and change their ways. I would welcome discussion of any subject with a person who makes the effort. I hold honor and integrity in the highest regard but I can't be silent and remain true to my own ideals. My silence would condone your actions and I refuse to go there. You put your laundry on a public board and I feel honor bound to respond. You don't know me from Adam.. and you may very well take TMs advice and ignore this self-righteous critic.. but I don't suppose you thought you'd get a free ride when you wrote to the boards, so consider this part of the price you have to pay for outing yourself in public and what I had to say about it was probably on the mild side of what others might have to say..

.. or maybe not.

You asked for help. That's my version of helping you. Take it or leave it.

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RE: Help me. I'm trapped ! - 3/9/2006 11:45:23 AM   
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A few suggestions - don't tell your wife about the your indiscretions.

I agree with this only after he's gotten a full disease screening and comes up clean.

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RE: Help me. I'm trapped ! - 3/9/2006 11:45:43 AM   
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Help me before I do something I might regret.



Do you identify as dominant? If you do, you really need to reacquaint yourself with the concept of self mastery in the very least. Your tone speaks of such desperate need—tender like an open wound. Get hold of yourself and step out of that sensual desperation that makes you so weak; it's dangerous to both you and your wife.

I see one of those classic prehistoric paintings depicting an animal trapped in a tar pit, its bellowing drawing only the wicked predators...

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RE: Help me. I'm trapped ! - 3/9/2006 11:49:14 AM   
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I agree with this only after he's gotten a full disease screening and comes up clean.


Excellent point, LA! Anything that comes up would rather let the cat out of the bag.

Hope you read that, Coffs and take care of the medical issue ASAP.

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RE: Help me. I'm trapped ! - 3/9/2006 11:53:26 AM   
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Help me before I do something I might regret.



Do you identify as dominant? If you do, you really need to reacquaint yourself with the concept of self mastery in the very least. Your tone speaks of such desperate need—tender like an open wound. Get hold of yourself and step out of that sensual desperation that makes you so weak; it's dangerous to both you and your wife.

I see one of those classic prehistoric paintings depicting an animal trapped in a tar pit, its bellowing drawing only the wicked predators...




personally I think the concept that one identifies themself as a Dominant and then at the same time Lies and hids to there signficant partner doesn't reflect Dominance it reflect COWARDICE! Being the Dominant and Lying to your partner can't co-exist in my opinion.

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RE: Help me. I'm trapped ! - 3/9/2006 11:54:28 AM   
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ORIGINAL: KnightofMists


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ORIGINAL: amayos


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Help me before I do something I might regret.



Do you identify as dominant? If you do, you really need to reacquaint yourself with the concept of self mastery in the very least. Your tone speaks of such desperate need—tender like an open wound. Get hold of yourself and step out of that sensual desperation that makes you so weak; it's dangerous to both you and your wife.

I see one of those classic prehistoric paintings depicting an animal trapped in a tar pit, its bellowing drawing only the wicked predators...




personally I think the concept that one identifies themself as a Dominant and then at the same time Lies and hids to there signficant partner doesn't reflect Dominance it reflect COWARDICE! Being the Dominant and Lying to your partner can't co-exist in my opinion.



Well said!


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RE: Help me. I'm trapped ! - 3/9/2006 11:56:26 AM   
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Ok, maybe there's something that I'm not uderstanding. If you love her so damn much, why have you cheated on her? Why are you lying to her? Why are you wanting to hide things from her? Seems to me your here looking for validation to do these things again. You'll find none in me. You lie, cheat and hide things from your wife that you "love" so dearly, then you're an idiot, coffs. It's was an idiot thing to do in the first place. And if you think you can hide it from her forever, you're a bigger idiot. You know the right thing to do. To do otherwise would will only end in a very bad way.
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Ok, maybe there's something that I'm not uderstanding. If you love her so damn much, why have you cheated on her? Why are you lying to her? Why are you wanting to hide things from her? Seems to me your here looking for validation to do these things again. You'll find none in me. You lie, cheat and hide things from your wife that you "love" so dearly, then you're an idiot, coffs. It's was an idiot thing to do in the first place. And if you think you can hide it from her forever, you're a bigger idiot. You know the right thing to do. To do otherwise would will only end in a very bad way.



i agree with you completly on this

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RE: Help me. I'm trapped ! - 3/9/2006 12:02:53 PM   
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I'm sorry for the position you find yourself in but after hearing your tale I've come to the following conclusion. You aren't trapped, your wife is. She just doesn't know it.

What do you do? Suck it up and come clean. If you do love her, she deserves the truth.

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RE: Help me. I'm trapped ! - 3/9/2006 12:06:56 PM   
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personally I think the concept that one identifies themself as a Dominant and then at the same time Lies and hids to there signficant partner doesn't reflect Dominance it reflect COWARDICE! Being the Dominant and Lying to your partner can't co-exist in my opinion.

I disagree with that. Dominants are just normal people who happen to have an orientation to be a dominant. There are asshole doms, incompetent doms, and flat out idiot doms out there. But they are still doms.

The fact is we could probably all name half a dozen people we know in the scene who are actively cheating- it's not a big shocker. Lots of men and women and doms and subs out there are married vanilla and looking for a ds relationship on the side. I don't consider it ethical or smart or any expression of actual love (with perhaps the exception of having a partner who's physically bedridden or dying long term)- but I don't think it negates one's orientation either.

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RE: Help me. I'm trapped ! - 3/9/2006 12:15:08 PM   
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I think i agree with the posts advising never to tell your wife of your past indescretions. Breaking a trust like that can destroy a relationship, she will never ever again feel the same way about you.

Saying that, you have to get an awareness of the effects of your actions on the woman you love and modify your behaviour accordingly. What are your priorities in life? For relationship?

I'll share something with you, the only way I can be sexually satisfied is through the Dominant/submissive exchange. Vanilla sex, holds no appeal to me whatsoever, I could watch tv while being fucked by a vanilla man. Saying that I have been in two Master/slave relationships, in between those relationships I was with a vanilla man (although he did have a Dominant personality), during that time, I loved that man to bits, I just lost interest in sex, sex became a non issue. Sex is not what love is about. After this relationship was over, I met my Master now and suddenly my sexual appetite came back with a vengence...if there was no sex in this relationship....i would go insane.

Hope that makes sense.

Do you really love this woman your married to? If so, kick yourself in the butt and get your priorities in order.

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RE: Help me. I'm trapped ! - 3/9/2006 12:19:13 PM   
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Of the beaten path here for a min.....

Master... lol I know you've posted more than 1 time.. and I know you joined back in Nov when I did.. and now your profile is missing... LOL.. think you need to talk to support.

Back on the beaten path....

I agree with you and Mr D here myself.

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RE: Help me. I'm trapped ! - 3/9/2006 12:22:34 PM   
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Once again, thanks for the input. One or two fantastic replys there (and I mean the intelligent ones, not always the sympathetic ones).

Points raised.
Why assume my wife or myself are unhappy? We are not, she tells me she isnt all the time.
Why assume we are sexually incompatible? we have a brilliant sex life, vanilla, but very good vanilla.

Am I here to justify or rationalise my bad choices? No, I can only do that within myself, not on a public forum. I knew I would get a lot of flack about this.

Going to munches/local groups isnt really an option. Discretion is important. Besides I'd rather not meet locals, I know I am strong enough to refuse the offer of forbidden fruits, but I'd feel really bad about it.

I guess I was just looking for some social interaction within the bdsm culture. To selfishly make me feel better. I'm starting wish I hadnt bothered now. Or started with a less contentious issue :o)

Thanks for those that took the time to post. Even the ones who followed the "dont be a pathetic cheat" line. Bitatruble gets the prise for best post, she was the only one who claimed being self-rightous, but was one of the few who were not :) And to the posted who lost sympathy with me because of a couple of things I said, remember this is a global forum. Many countries/cultures post here, some not having English as a first language, please forgive them if their phrasiology does not match yours.

Think I'll draw this to a close and go and have some of that intellectual discourse I've heard so much about.

cheers all
Coffs

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RE: Help me. I'm trapped ! - 3/9/2006 12:50:23 PM   
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coffs-

My heart goes out to you. I know not of others but I can say with all certainty that I feel for your situation. My Master and I are both married to vanilla partners. If you wish to correspond off these boards about how we've gone about that please feel free to contact me.

MTslave


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RE: Help me. I'm trapped ! - 3/9/2006 12:55:44 PM   
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*sighs*

I do sympathise with you...I can't imagine never having the type of relationship I truly need to be satisfied.

otoh...

There is more than one way to cheat. I'm not sure which would hurt me worse. They say that women get upset over the physical act when men cheat...but that men are more devastated when women cheat because usually it's more than physical...idk...

So I guess, my vote is...try some little things to pique her interest of this type of relationship. Lots of vanilla women like fuzzy handcuffs and a lil roughness once in a while...maybe some tame (ish) literature...a movie or two...perhaps SHE has secret desires she is afraid to express, also?....

And, either stay together, and be totally faithful...or move on.


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RE: Help me. I'm trapped ! - 3/9/2006 1:15:24 PM   
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Why cant I tell her and see if she will partake in some D/s? No chance, not a hope. She would not. Trust me, its not an option.




... As far as I can see, she might be involved with some subbie boy already...

You never know, until you bring it up.

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RE: Help me. I'm trapped ! - 3/9/2006 1:19:55 PM   
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... As far as I can see, she might be involved with some subbie boy already...

You never know, until you bring it up.


Good point, she may be afraid to talk to you about her true desires. When Hubby and i had "the talk" he told me all kinds of fantacies of His that i had no idea of. We had both been hiding a lot from each other thinking the other wouldn't understand, and that was after 34 yrs of marraige.

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